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Post by spartan on Jul 2, 2015 20:06:55 GMT -6
What states have separate leagues for public and private schools to play for State Championships. I know Texas does with TAPPS. Any others? I think Kentucky did it was well.
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Post by fantom on Jul 2, 2015 20:17:26 GMT -6
What states have separate leagues for public and private schools to play for State Championships. I know Texas does with TAPPS. Any others? I think Kentucky did it was well. Virginia used to be separate but this year the VHSL is accepting privates. We'll see how that goes. |
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Post by fcboiler87 on Jul 2, 2015 20:18:55 GMT -6
Kentucky does not separate theirs. Tennessee has a separation for the two in the playoffs.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 2, 2015 20:30:28 GMT -6
Louisiana just started 2 years ago I believe. Prior to that there was no division.
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Post by DLgaDC on Jul 2, 2015 20:53:45 GMT -6
Georgia separates single A only and we have 6 classifications. In AA 2 private schools played for this past championship and there has been talk of separated them next.
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Post by gian3074 on Jul 2, 2015 21:38:19 GMT -6
New York doesn't have a separation, but different sections can choose to separate. In Section 6 (Buffalo area) for instance private schools are not eligible for the playoffs but in Section 5 (Rochester area) they are.
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Post by John Knight on Jul 4, 2015 6:31:53 GMT -6
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Post by bignose on Jul 4, 2015 7:09:22 GMT -6
Maryland separates the Public and the Private schools.
The Publics compete for a "State" Championship, while the Privates compete for their own League Championships.
Who is better leads to endless speculation and much wasted energy on pointless discussions in the chatrooms.
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Post by mholst40 on Jul 4, 2015 9:34:20 GMT -6
California doesn't currently separate theirs. Traditionally and unproportionally, private schools dominate the state bowl games.
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 4, 2015 12:19:45 GMT -6
California doesn't currently separate theirs. Traditionally and unproportionally, private schools dominate the state bowl games. In our section, one private school league (WCAL) usually wins 3 or 4 of the 5 section championships. We're still tinkering with our playoff format to try to get it more balanced. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 17:12:27 GMT -6
What states have separate leagues for public and private schools to play for State Championships. I know Texas does with TAPPS. Any others? I think Kentucky did it was well. Tennessee does, but most privates still get to play in the public league by not offering financial aid to athletes. The private league only has about 40 schools in the entire state, IIRC, broken up into 2 separate classifications. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 4, 2015 19:40:21 GMT -6
In Utah they are not separated, nor are they in Michigan.
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Post by jaydub66 on Jul 4, 2015 21:58:28 GMT -6
In New Jersey we have Non-Public Group 1, 2, 3, 4 champions. The Public championships are a mess, we have 28 total state champs at the end of the year which is insane when you hear it. But Public schools are divided into groups 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. The higher the number, the bigger the school.
NJSIAA is actually playing around with the idea of having all the non-public schools play each other during the regular season too, not just the play offs.
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Post by ksmitty79 on Jul 4, 2015 22:02:19 GMT -6
In North Carolina. We have some Private Schools that play in NCHSAA. The schools that do have a strict "No" Financial aid policy. Their is also a Private school league.
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 4, 2015 22:50:23 GMT -6
Illinois does not separate publics and privates, but any non-boundary is subject to a multiplier of 1.65 per student. They did change the rule a couple of years ago so that the multiplier can be waved on a per sport basis if the sport has not been successful. In football the criteria for a waiver is having not won a playoff game in the previous 6 school terms.
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Post by freezeoption on Jul 5, 2015 7:10:15 GMT -6
no separation in Missouri, we have a 1.35 for all privates
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Post by realdawg on Jul 5, 2015 7:22:06 GMT -6
NC had separate. But some privates agree to abide by NCHSAA rules and pay to play in public leagues. Charlotte Catholic is the big one that comes to mind that does this
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Post by coachklee on Jul 5, 2015 9:16:06 GMT -6
In New Jersey we have Non-Public Group 1, 2, 3, 4 champions. The Public championships are a mess, we have 28 total state champs at the end of the year which is insane when you hear it. But Public schools are divided into groups 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. The higher the number, the bigger the school. NJSIAA is actually playing around with the idea of having all the non-public schools play each other during the regular season too, not just the play offs. 28 football state champs? How do you get that many state champs with only 9 divisions? |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 5, 2015 10:43:11 GMT -6
In New Jersey we have Non-Public Group 1, 2, 3, 4 champions. The Public championships are a mess, we have 28 total state champs at the end of the year which is insane when you hear it. But Public schools are divided into groups 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. The higher the number, the bigger the school. NJSIAA is actually playing around with the idea of having all the non-public schools play each other during the regular season too, not just the play offs. 28 football state champs? How do you get that many state champs with only 9 divisions? Have you looked at NJ on a map? It's a pretty huge state. Seriously, does everybody win state? |
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Post by fantom on Jul 5, 2015 11:20:13 GMT -6
28 football state champs? How do you get that many state champs with only 9 divisions? Have you looked at NJ on a map? It's a pretty huge state. Seriously, does everybody win state? I looked it up and there are 433 schools in the association. That means one out of 15 schools is a state champion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 12:23:18 GMT -6
In New Jersey we have Non-Public Group 1, 2, 3, 4 champions. The Public championships are a mess, we have 28 total state champs at the end of the year which is insane when you hear it. But Public schools are divided into groups 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. The higher the number, the bigger the school. NJSIAA is actually playing around with the idea of having all the non-public schools play each other during the regular season too, not just the play offs. 28 football state champs? How do you get that many state champs with only 9 divisions? I'm assuming they don't really play for a true state championship, but break the state up into geographic groups (or whatever word they use) and have the teams within those areas each play for "state." So maybe they have the schools divided into 5 classes by enrollment, then broken down into maybe 4 different "groups" based on geography. 5X4=20 different state champions, right there. Is that how it works, jaydub66? I know that's how it's done in some places. Virginia does this, IIRC. For example, they have two different "Class AAA State Champions" or whatever because the schools from the Eastern part of the state have a separate playoff from the schools in the Western half. I may not have this exact, because I've never coached there and our state doesn't do it this way, but that's how it was explained to me when my cousin's team was in the (Western group) playoffs the last few years. |
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Post by coachklee on Jul 5, 2015 12:43:04 GMT -6
28 football state champs? How do you get that many state champs with only 9 divisions? Have you looked at NJ on a map? It's a pretty huge state. Seriously, does everybody win state? How many schools compete in football in NJ? There are 749 schools that participated in either the 8 divisions of 11 man or division of 8 man here in Michigan and I almost think that might be too many. |
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Post by huskerhoyahawk on Jul 5, 2015 21:20:53 GMT -6
28 football state champs? How do you get that many state champs with only 9 divisions? I'm assuming they don't really play for a true state championship, but break the state up into geographic groups (or whatever word they use) and have the teams within those areas each play for "state." So maybe they have the schools divided into 5 classes by enrollment, then broken down into maybe 4 different "groups" based on geography. 5X4=20 different state champions, right there. Is that how it works, jaydub66? I know that's how it's done in some places. Virginia does this, IIRC. For example, they have two different "Class AAA State Champions" or whatever because the schools from the Eastern part of the state have a separate playoff from the schools in the Western half. I may not have this exact, because I've never coached there and our state doesn't do it this way, but that's how it was explained to me when my cousin's team was in the (Western group) playoffs the last few years. Virginia actually plays for entire state championships. The classes are split into regions, and usually a team from the Northern Region plays a team from the southern, but only the winner of that game is the state champion. |
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Post by lionhart on Jul 5, 2015 21:28:00 GMT -6
In NJ it's ridiculous how we do it. Coacharnold has it right, there are 4 "sections" divided geographically. Within each section there are 5 "sectional" champs, based on school size. (. Group 1 smallest to group 5 largest) then there are non public champs for 4 group sizes. There have been numerous attempts at changing the system to play down to one "state" champion for each group size, but none of these have been approved. It's embarrassing
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Post by lionhart on Jul 5, 2015 21:30:06 GMT -6
So it's actually 24 "champions" not 28. Still makes no sense
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Post by fantom on Jul 5, 2015 21:36:11 GMT -6
28 football state champs? How do you get that many state champs with only 9 divisions? I'm assuming they don't really play for a true state championship, but break the state up into geographic groups (or whatever word they use) and have the teams within those areas each play for "state." So maybe they have the schools divided into 5 classes by enrollment, then broken down into maybe 4 different "groups" based on geography. 5X4=20 different state champions, right there. Is that how it works, jaydub66? I know that's how it's done in some places. Virginia does this, IIRC. For example, they have two different "Class AAA State Champions" or whatever because the schools from the Eastern part of the state have a separate playoff from the schools in the Western half. I may not have this exact, because I've never coached there and our state doesn't do it this way, but that's how it was explained to me when my cousin's team was in the (Western group) playoffs the last few years. That"s never been accurate. For a long time they split up the three classifications in half so that there were six state champions but they were true state champions. The last couple of years, they made that official and now have six classifications in every sport. |
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Post by coachg13 on Jul 5, 2015 22:14:50 GMT -6
South Carolina is separate....but privates can apply to play in SCHSL. They dominate at the lower levels. New legislation that'll be tied up awhile proposes private schools will have to play up a class.
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Post by jaydub66 on Jul 6, 2015 1:32:27 GMT -6
28 football state champs? How do you get that many state champs with only 9 divisions? I'm assuming they don't really play for a true state championship, but break the state up into geographic groups (or whatever word they use) and have the teams within those areas each play for "state." So maybe they have the schools divided into 5 classes by enrollment, then broken down into maybe 4 different "groups" based on geography. 5X4=20 different state champions, right there. Is that how it works, jaydub66? I know that's how it's done in some places. Virginia does this, IIRC. For example, they have two different "Class AAA State Champions" or whatever because the schools from the Eastern part of the state have a separate playoff from the schools in the Western half. I may not have this exact, because I've never coached there and our state doesn't do it this way, but that's how it was explained to me when my cousin's team was in the (Western group) playoffs the last few years. There is like sectional champs. North Jersey, Central, and South. The north Group 5 schools are biblical in size because of huge cities like Newark and Jersey City, etc. Central Jersey is slightly less populated but because of Trenton and stuff, it's still bigger than the south. South Jersey is basically ignored in the playoff brackets because historically, teams would go up and get crushed so they let the south play it's own championships I played at a non-public school. We would drive 2 or 2 1/2 hours north to playoff games. My buddies who played at public schools never traveled above the mid-point of NJ I think if there is such a division between north and south school size, just change the groups so the biggest of the big play each other, so a group 5 school in south jersey becomes a group 4. I don't know. There is a better way to do it. At most, we should have 9, Group 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 public, group 1, 2, 3, 4 non-public |
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Post by gators1422 on Jul 6, 2015 6:17:48 GMT -6
It is somewhat split in Florida. The 2 smallest classes are divided and that's it. The public class 1A is 0-630 students and the private 2A is 0-300. Then you have 3A which is privates from 300-700 and publics from 6-700. The problem is schools like Trinity Christian who have 450 students and 11 D1 football players. Lol. Not many 650 student public schools are going to compete with that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 8:30:11 GMT -6
I'm assuming they don't really play for a true state championship, but break the state up into geographic groups (or whatever word they use) and have the teams within those areas each play for "state." So maybe they have the schools divided into 5 classes by enrollment, then broken down into maybe 4 different "groups" based on geography. 5X4=20 different state champions, right there. Is that how it works, jaydub66? I know that's how it's done in some places. Virginia does this, IIRC. For example, they have two different "Class AAA State Champions" or whatever because the schools from the Eastern part of the state have a separate playoff from the schools in the Western half. I may not have this exact, because I've never coached there and our state doesn't do it this way, but that's how it was explained to me when my cousin's team was in the (Western group) playoffs the last few years. That"s never been accurate. For a long time they split up the three classifications in half so that there were six state champions but they were true state champions. The last couple of years, they made that official and now have six classifications in every sport. Thanks for the clarification. I grew up near SW VA and a bunch of those small schools used to make runs at state (including my cousin's team), but it seemed like none of them ever had to play teams from the coastal areas so this kind of made sense. |
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