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Post by jg78 on Jun 26, 2015 8:41:59 GMT -6
Some of you who have experience coaching both sides of the ball, what do you think are some of the positives and negatives of coaching one side of the ball vs. the other?
To start it off, I would say that coaching in blowouts (win or lose) is generally worse on defense. If you're losing, it's tougher to watch a team shove the ball down your throat or hit you with big plays than it is to go three and out and punt. If you're winning, it's more frustrating to watch your shutout ruined in the 4th quarter when the other team scores on your scrubs and you win 42-14 in a game that easily could have been 42-0. On offense, once you have the points you want they can't be taken off the board.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 26, 2015 8:46:09 GMT -6
Well, coaching defense means that you are not automatically a d-bag, so thats good In seriousness, I would say that a DIFFERENCE to coaching D might be in film break downs. Defensive coaches generally have a lot more to break down and data to analyze-- I am not sure if that is a pro or a con.
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Post by jg78 on Jun 26, 2015 8:50:00 GMT -6
Well, coaching defense means that you are not automatically a d-bag, so thats good In seriousness, I would say that a DIFFERENCE to coaching D might be in film break downs. Defensive coaches generally have a lot more to break down and data to analyze-- I am not sure if that is a pro or a con. I agree. No question defensive prep work is harder.
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Post by fantom on Jun 26, 2015 9:59:28 GMT -6
It is true that there's more prep work on defense but the chances are better that your prep is going to pay off. You don't see opponents radically change their offense (And if they do the team probably sucks and you're going to beat them anyway) but I often see teams make unexpected defensive changes. I would say, then that offensive coaches are under more pressure to make in-game adjustments.
Another problem with offense, somewhat related to the one i mentioned above, is that one or two key injuries can dramatically change the focus of your offense. That doesn't really happen as much on defense.
One real problem on defense is getting a good look during group and team periods. One completely overmatched scout lineman can completely disrupt the drill. In 7 on 7 it's hard to simulate an outstanding opposing receiver.
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Post by coachfloyd on Jun 26, 2015 10:23:16 GMT -6
Offense is awesome and defense sucks!
The difference in offense and defense is this... On defense no matter how well you have played on the next play the offense might score. On offense no matter how bad you have played on the next play you might score.
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Post by blb on Jun 26, 2015 10:31:42 GMT -6
One of my college coaches said, "Defense is what you do while the offense rests."
Of course, he was OC.
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Post by eaglemountie on Jun 26, 2015 11:46:26 GMT -6
Probably a lot more pressure on the defense these days due to tempos/vast differences in offensive schemes...
Also, if not two platoon, usually, less practice time during the week than the offense to prep for an opponent...
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Post by fantom on Jun 26, 2015 11:52:39 GMT -6
Also, if not two platoon, usually, less practice time during the week than the offense to prep for an opponent... That depends entirely on the HC. Mine gives me all the time that I need.
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Post by **** on Jun 26, 2015 12:08:43 GMT -6
Defense constantly has to adapt to the different schemes you see week to week. You need to have every kid on the same page every play.
Offense gets to rep the same plays every week and just has to go out and execute those same plays. Most teams put their best players on defense though so this is not as easy as it sounds.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 26, 2015 12:13:44 GMT -6
If the offense doesn't give-up the ball the offense can punt on 4th down, regardless of how badly it screwed up. If the defense screws-up just once in a series, the other team's band will be playing its fight song....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 12:26:18 GMT -6
A typical HS game has about 50 offensive snaps.
If you do everything wrong on 90 of your plays, but you do just enough right or have one stud kid who breaks loose on the other 10%, you've scored 5 TDs and done your job.
If you do everything right on defense 90% of the time, but have big screw ups from one player the other 10%, you've given up 5 TDs and failed.
That's it in a nutshell. Even more than offense, defense is about limiting mistakes.
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Post by fantom on Jun 26, 2015 12:42:23 GMT -6
Some people have mentioned that up-tempo offenses put DC's under more pressure. I'm not so sure that that's true anymore. Nowadays nobody expects you to pitch a shutout. With offenses scoring more you don't need to play perfect defense to win. One blown coverage in a game doesn't mean that you're screwed. In 2014 there were only three NCAA D.1 teams that held opponents to under 17 PPG. Just a decade ago there were a dozen. It's harder to prep for high-powered offenses but if you have an offense too at least there's a margin for error.
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Post by agame on Jun 26, 2015 13:21:45 GMT -6
One of my college coaches said, "Defense is what you do while the offense rests." Of course, he was OC. I like this quote
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Post by agame on Jun 26, 2015 13:26:12 GMT -6
Offences tend to lose more games than defences... A offence will usually make mistakes that can change the course of a game.. It's our job to limit them.. I have never had the desire to coach defence just beat em
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Post by blitzology on Jun 26, 2015 13:52:51 GMT -6
Offense -Cons none Defense -Cons none
If you have the chance to coach on either side take it and learn and enjoy it as much as you can.
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Post by fantom on Jun 26, 2015 14:03:22 GMT -6
Offense -Cons none Defense -Cons none If you have the chance to coach on either side take it and learn and enjoy it as much as you can. You take whatever job you get and get good at it. I like to point out that Wing T guru Dennis Creehan has spent almost half of his career coaching defense or special teams.
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Post by CS on Jun 26, 2015 15:31:36 GMT -6
IDK. If you have frosted tips and aren't a time traveling member of a boy band from 2002 you probably want to coach offense
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Post by bluboy on Jun 26, 2015 16:22:50 GMT -6
One of my college coaches said, "Defense is what you do while the offense rests." Of course, he was OC. I like this quote Defense wins CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!
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Post by blb on Jun 26, 2015 16:43:09 GMT -6
One of my college coaches said, "Defense is what you do while the offense rests." Of course, he was OC. I like this quote
The other way to look at it is "Defense is what you do when the offense screws up."
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Post by 33coach on Jun 26, 2015 16:47:53 GMT -6
IDK. If you have frosted tips and aren't a time traveling member of a boy band from 2002 you probably want to coach offense The visor club
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Post by jg78 on Jun 26, 2015 16:54:06 GMT -6
And even if the offense does screw up and turn it over, that's bad for the D too. I recall last year when Missouri beat Florida 42-13 (42-0 through 3 quarters) in spite of just 119 yards of offense and 7 first downs. Missouri scored four TD's on special teams and turnovers. If you only saw the score, you'd think Mizzou's O had an easy time with Florida's D, but that wasn't the case at all.
When your defense only gives up one TD (and it was on a 19 yard drive) and you lose 42-12, that's quite a clusterphuck on O/ST. One of many reasons Muschamp is no longer with the Gators.
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Post by clowndude on Jun 26, 2015 22:14:42 GMT -6
Offensive guys get credit for things they don't do, while defensive guys get blame for things that aren't their fault.
An OC looks great when the stats says 42-21, but one touchdown was from the special teams, one was from a returned interception, and another was set up by an over snapped punt that gave them the ball on the 5 yard line.
A defensive guy can orchestrate a masterpiece, but the offense throws a pick 6, the kickoff team let 'em break one, and there's only so many times your guys can hold the line after all those 3-and-outs your Offense keeps doing.
I had this scenario happen to me one too many times. I quit beating my head on the wall and joined the dark side, offense.
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Post by canesfan on Jun 26, 2015 22:36:33 GMT -6
It's easier to break into high school ball on the defensive side, at least in my area. Everyone wants to coach offense, coach QBs and call plays.
Defense is more work, but I think it gives you the ability to scheme more. Both sides come down to the Jimmy's and Joes, but I think you can do more with less on defense if that makes sense.
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Post by CS on Jun 27, 2015 5:15:35 GMT -6
In all seriousness I think that you are more scrutinized on offense than on defense. To me YOU get blamed more for an terrible offense but the kids get blamed more for a terrible defense. That's just in my experience
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Post by jg78 on Jun 27, 2015 6:04:54 GMT -6
I disagree.
Offensively, it's easier to emphasize your best players and cover up for your worst players. You can put any great players at QB or RB and make sure they are the focus of the play every single time. You can also take an awful player and stick him out at SE and basically play ten on ten. And if your OL is not up to par, you can read, use blocking angles, misdirection, etc. to make it so that they don't have to necessarily overpower the defensive front for the offense to move the football.
On defense, I think you have to be better across the board because you don't determine the POA. One superstar defensive player can't take over a game as easily as a superstar offensive player, that scrawny 120 lb. WR is more easily exploited as a DB, and that undersized OT now has to stand on the railroad tracks as a DT and blow up a trap play.
I think you need a better overall group of athletes to be great on defense.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 27, 2015 7:28:26 GMT -6
I can agree with the offensive coaches getting blamed more than defensive coaches by the parents. Everybody in the stands has played Madden or idolized Montana, Favre, Bradshaw, etc. growing up. They know everything there is to know about offensive football. So, it's easier for them to say "Well that was a stupid play." Meanwhile, very few think they know enough about defensive scheme and philosophy to judge whether the DC had a good game plan coming in. They see kids out of place and missing tackles but just write it off as not being as good as the offense. They'll see mismatched players lose in unfavorable circumstances, but not blame the guy who put them in those matches and created those circumstances.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 27, 2015 7:31:00 GMT -6
^ that being said, OCs receive all the glory when "their offense" goes nuts for major points. Just like mentioned above, even if those points were in large part owed to outstanding field position and opportunities because of defensive and special teams play.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 27, 2015 7:56:24 GMT -6
Pros to coaching O: You get to wear a visor. Cons: None. When you lose you get to blame the defense.
Pros to coaching D: None Cons: If you give up a single TD and the offense only musters a FG, you deserve to be fired.
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Post by jg78 on Jun 27, 2015 7:57:41 GMT -6
^ that being said, OCs receive all the glory when "their offense" goes nuts for major points. Just like mentioned above, even if those points were in large part owed to outstanding field position and opportunities because of defensive and special teams play. And it's easier for a great offensive player to do something like this (below) and change the scoreboard on a play that should have been stopped in the backfield.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 27, 2015 8:06:41 GMT -6
I just want to take a moment of silence for the three scholarships that were lost because of this play.
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