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Post by fantom on Jun 10, 2015 22:46:51 GMT -6
The thread about scheduling got me curious: How many teams are in your league (or district, or region or whatever they call them in your state)?
Our league (They're called districts here in VA) has ten teams meaning that we only get one non-district game a year. Scheduling can be tough because the other districts in the area are also big. What's your league like?
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 10, 2015 23:02:37 GMT -6
Ours is 6 teams
5 league games
5 "non league" games
Many of the leagues here are 6-8 teams
They're roughly divided geographically, with some effort to group schools by size
For example our league is all D1 (highest level, although we have much less students than the others in our league, long story)
There's another mostly D1 league in our section
There are a few leagues of mostly D2-3 (all fairly close)
A couple small school leagues (D4 and 5)
And there is 1 or 2 leagues that are kind of a huge range... But generally they're pretty bad overall leagues
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Jun 10, 2015 23:30:16 GMT -6
In California (CIF) we are broken into geographic sections - my section, which is the CCS (Central Cast Section), is made up of many 18 team leagues which then split into three 6 team divisions...
These are considered power leagues - the top 6 are in one league, 7-12 in another, 13-18 in another... You move up and down every year as the coaches see fit/vote....
My league (Peninsula Athletic League) schedules 6 games for us - 5 league games and a RIVALRY game... if your rival is in your league then you are only assigned 5....
So we must find 4 or 5 games a year...
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 11, 2015 2:01:17 GMT -6
We are in a 6 team league in the same section as PIGSKIN11. We suffer because our league is classified as a "C" league because every body but us is pretty lousy. As a result, we get low playoff seeds because we lack power point from half our games being against our league. To give you an idea of where we stand vs our league, we've had a running clock for the last 3 years of league play. So, we load up our preseason with anyone looking for a fight and hope that does enough to prep us for playoffs.
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Post by realdawg on Jun 11, 2015 4:14:09 GMT -6
NC here, ours are called Conferences. Ours is a 9 team conference currently. We are allowed to play 11 games, so we have to find 3 non conference games.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 11, 2015 6:21:49 GMT -6
We are broken into districts in PA. We have two regions/leagues in our district for our class. Both have 8 teams so we end up with 3 Indy games now.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 11, 2015 6:24:43 GMT -6
After reading many posts on this board about districts/leagues/conferences/sections etc. this is one thing that until a few years ago I thought Louisiana did pretty well (and better than most). Granted a big issue with these types of situations is the population and population density.
The way it used to be, there were 5 classifications (and previously 4, previously 3 etc as HS sports grew) based on enrollment. Each one of these was then assigned into geographically based districts of 5-7 schools. You played your district games, and had to find non district games to fill out the rest of your schedule.
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Post by blb on Jun 11, 2015 6:37:10 GMT -6
Our league has three divisions based on enrollment and (loosely) geography.
Divisions have eight teams each, so have to schedule two non-leaguers.
Often but not always they are crossovers with schools from another division in the league.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jun 11, 2015 6:43:07 GMT -6
Iowa has districts that are determined by the state and re-drawn every two years, although based on my school's location, there is very little change with ours. We are grouped into 7 team districts with teams in our same classification. Then, the state schedules the three non-district games as well, but each school provides the state a list of five teams they would prefer to play as those non-district games.
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Post by spreadpowero on Jun 11, 2015 7:53:04 GMT -6
9 teams
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jun 11, 2015 10:24:21 GMT -6
14 teams
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 10:37:50 GMT -6
The thread about scheduling got me curious: How many teams are in your league (or district, or region or whatever they call them in your state)? Our league (They're called districts here in VA) has ten teams meaning that we only get one non-district game a year. Scheduling can be tough because the other districts in the area are also big. What's your league like? Our state has 332 teams in the association, IIRC, divided into 6 classes for public and private schools, with 2 classes for privates-only. The 32 largest public schools make up the top class, get automatic playoff berths, and are divided into 4 districts with 8 teams each. The next 5 classes are subdivided into 8 districts apiece, which vary in size The top 4 schools in each district make the playoffs and the playoff bracket format is set in stone before the season begins. It's just a matter of penciling in who finishes #1 in each district, then who finishes #2, etc. Our district has 7 teams now after our state just redistricted. Some teams get to play in 5 team districts so all you have to do is beat the worst team, which means 1-9 gets you into the playoffs there or beating 4 bad teams guarantees you home field for the first 2-3 rounds, but scheduling that many non-conference games can be a pain for those schools. Other districts in the same class will have 9 teams, so a 6-4 record might still have you missing the playoffs there and they have the scheduling problems you mentioned. This is actually a major improvement over the complex BCS-style points system we used to determine playoff seeding for a few years. That thing was a nightmare.
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 11, 2015 11:51:42 GMT -6
our state still has conferences, although in a conference there can be different size class schools, the state puts schools into 8 team districts, which may be in the same conference or not, we play a 10 game regular season with the last game decided on where your seeded in your district, you do not have to play teams in your district, but most do play some so it helps on seeding, conferences can be large with 10 or more schools or as small as 2 or 3
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 11, 2015 12:10:09 GMT -6
Some teams get to play in 5 team districts so all you have to do is beat the worst team, which means 1-9 gets you into the playoffs there or beating 4 bad teams guarantees you home field for the first 2-3 rounds, but scheduling that many non-conference games can be a pain for those schools. Other districts in the same class will have 9 teams, so a 6-4 record might still have you missing the playoffs there and they have the scheduling problems you mentioned. Wait, WTF? How does this not cause a massive sh!tstorm every year?
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 11, 2015 13:12:27 GMT -6
See you next weekend Mariner.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 13:15:01 GMT -6
Some teams get to play in 5 team districts so all you have to do is beat the worst team, which means 1-9 gets you into the playoffs there or beating 4 bad teams guarantees you home field for the first 2-3 rounds, but scheduling that many non-conference games can be a pain for those schools. Other districts in the same class will have 9 teams, so a 6-4 record might still have you missing the playoffs there and they have the scheduling problems you mentioned. Wait, WTF? How does this not cause a massive sh!tstorm every year? It used to in some places. Most just accepted that as a fact of life. They tried fixing it a few years ago and the result was a horrible 3 class system that split into 6 for the playoffs and relied on a very complex points system for everything. The state didn't even handle that correctly twice. This is their attempt at fixing it.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 11, 2015 13:25:08 GMT -6
Our league consists of 66 teams divided into 11 6-team divisions (by student population). We play 5 division games and 4 crossover games (within the league). the league will be adding 18 teams in the '16 season.
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 11, 2015 14:02:13 GMT -6
i guess that i need to add to mine, we have class 1-6 plus 8 man in our state, class six is largest with 32 teams, then there are 64 teams in class 1,2,4,5 but what is left over goes in class 3, so after the top 32 largest schools, so then they go with the 64 lowest populated schools in class 1, 64 most populated after cl 6, then class 2, then class 4, then whoever is leftover goes to class three, we also have a 1.35 multiplier for private schools, schools can coop but total population counts for both schools, 8man is only class allowed to three schools coop, to play 8 man must have less than 200 in school, although we have a lot of schools with less than 200 play 11 man
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 11, 2015 14:50:36 GMT -6
See you next weekend Mariner. Our guys are pretty excited, I guess playing valley teams is one of those "you never go back" type situations.
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 11, 2015 15:49:26 GMT -6
I'm just excited to escape any heat possible.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 11, 2015 20:40:37 GMT -6
I'm just excited to escape any heat possible. Mariner is gonna hook you up with some "dope Jamba Juice and mean froyo" to escape the heat in his hippie commune.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 11, 2015 20:41:32 GMT -6
We play in a 12 team conference. The conference is split into League A and League B competitively. Every two years, the worst team from A and the best team from B switch places.
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 11, 2015 21:39:40 GMT -6
I'm just excited to escape any heat possible. Mariner is gonna hook you up with some "dope Jamba Juice and mean froyo" to escape the heat in his hippie commune. Brah, Jamba is too corporate, you've gotta hit up the farmer's market with me and get some local juice smoothies.
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 11, 2015 21:41:06 GMT -6
Wait, WTF? How does this not cause a massive sh!tstorm every year? It used to in some places. Most just accepted that as a fact of life. They tried fixing it a few years ago and the result was a horrible 3 class system that split into 6 for the playoffs and relied on a very complex points system for everything. The state didn't even handle that correctly twice. This is their attempt at fixing it. I'll say one thing for our section: while they have continuously failed to come up with an equitable play off system, they've continually tried to find one that doesn't screw anyone over.
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 11, 2015 22:49:24 GMT -6
Our league has 7 teams. 5 teams could probably play in the SEC. Including the #3 team in the nation last year. #lambstoslaughter
Though it's fun playing in a prestigious league. Players are good. Coaches are good, etc.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Jun 11, 2015 22:50:45 GMT -6
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 11, 2015 23:00:02 GMT -6
See you next weekend Mariner. Our guys are pretty excited, I guess playing valley teams is one of those "you never go back" type situations. Did some of you California guys find a way to do a camp? Or is like a 7 on 7 situation?
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 11, 2015 23:03:44 GMT -6
We are in a "region" with 11 teams, which is divided into two "leagues", one with 6 teams and one with 5. We are in the 6 team league so we play 5 league games, then get to choose whether we will play 4 or 5 non-league games. We usually schedule 2-3 of those games against teams from the other league and then try to find 1 or 2 good teams from Northern California to schedule. Only the league games count towards playoffs, so in the 5 team league you can have teams play a 10 game regular season where only 4 of those games actually count towards determining playoff qualification. But we also let 4 teams from EACH league into our playoffs. That's right, 8 out of 11 qualify.
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 11, 2015 23:06:23 GMT -6
California camps are completely legal (ask Bdud). CIF came around and explained how you have to run them. I didn't go to these meetings as I am not the HC (though anyone can go). I'm just going where my team is going.
There was/is a 4 way camp going on in our parts as we speak. Again, CA can do camps.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Jun 12, 2015 0:14:44 GMT -6
California camps are completely legal (ask Bdud). CIF came around and explained how you have to run them. I didn't go to these meetings as I am not the HC (though anyone can go). I'm just going where my team is going. There was/is a 4 way camp going on in our parts as we speak. Again, CA can do camps. Care to share? I am a CA HC and have no clue how a padded camp works haha
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