|
Post by hsrose on Jun 3, 2015 10:27:38 GMT -6
Teams go through 4 Phases: 1) Learn How to Compete 2) Learn How to Win 3) Learn How to Handle Winning 4)Learn How to Be Champions
I stole this tag line from a coach on this board and have been wanting to use it/extend it to be a core for improving the team instead of just a nice tag line on my emails. I'm the new HC here and am trying to change the program from perennial 2-8 teams to 5-5 or better. And 5-5 is not my final goal buy any means, but that's what I want to achieve, and maintain, in the next couple of seasons. The previous HC had the honor of reaching the 400-losses in school history milestone.
Ways that I'm trying to get the program to learn how to compete: 1. Make the players better - Get them in the weight room, get them some confidence in themselves. This seems to be working, we now have an average of 20 players in the weight room, with a solid core of 12 players, guys that are really buying into the lifting. Next year I hope to have 12-15 players that have bought in, then 15-18, and so on.
2. Simplify the schemes - get better at running less of our O/D. Give the players a chance to be competitive on the field by being better (skill-wise) than we have been. We are also keeping the schemes from last season. The seniors last season had 4 separate offenses and 5 defenses in their 4 years.
3. Beginning a Loyalty Program (points for doing things) that includes individual and group competition - Most points = first locker and equipment kind of thing. Just about a month into this and it's working with some, others not so much.
4. Focus on skills - We just finished our spring sessions and focused on skill development rather than trying to put in our O/D. That seems to work as the players are better at their base techniques.
5. Um....
What do you do to develop a competitive nature in the players?
|
|
|
Post by freezeoption on Jun 3, 2015 11:11:56 GMT -6
everything is a competition, if lose then extra something bad, don't make a certain time do again, don't beat your teammate, extra burpes, they are either going to fight to win or give in, you want them to fight
|
|
|
Post by hsrose on Jun 3, 2015 11:29:42 GMT -6
But, we're so nice here. We're nice hosts on gameday, we're nice to work with, we're happy to help... I've got a lot of things off the football field to change as well.
|
|
|
Post by coachphillip on Jun 3, 2015 11:34:57 GMT -6
I know a local coach who used to have his kids compete in one different thing every week as the last thing they would do as a team. They would do all kinds of stuff: basketball 3 on 3 tournament, ultimate frisby, etc. He said it was needed so his guys could learn to compete and actually hang out with each other since they didn't hang out during school hours.
|
|
|
Post by fcboiler87 on Jun 3, 2015 11:43:18 GMT -6
I know a local coach who used to have his kids compete in one different thing every week as the last thing they would do as a team. They would do all kinds of stuff: basketball 3 on 3 tournament, ultimate frisby, etc. He said it was needed so his guys could learn to compete and actually hang out with each other since they didn't hang out during school hours. We did something like this all off season. One day each week at the end of weights we had a competition day. I explained at the beginning what it was and why we were doing that, then re-emphasized that each week when we came back around to it. We have done everything from basketball to dodgeball to various weight room competitions. I told them to remember that these are their teammates, but your job is to whip their tails at whatever it is you are doing right now. It went well all off season and they had fun. Plus it was a way to break up the typical off season of just weights. It became part of the routine but we always changed up what we did so they always stayed fresh with things. I feel like it went really well but I guess we will see this fall!
|
|
|
Post by hsrose on Jun 3, 2015 11:48:40 GMT -6
I like those ideas, I think those would be great to do in conjunction with our weights over the summer. Bit of a diversion plus it's direct competition.
|
|
|
Post by freezeoption on Jun 3, 2015 11:56:57 GMT -6
i do it once or more a day, weights, practice, whatever, you want them to compete, we are a new program, we were nice last year also, but did this and we are getting better at competing and not like losing, i got this from a great coach long time ago, bob shore, he had competitions in something every day
|
|
|
Post by oriolepower on Jun 3, 2015 13:36:58 GMT -6
I've been through teaching kids to compete at a few different programs. I've found the biggest thing that has to change is confidence. True belief they can win a game. If that means competing then have a lot of competitions. Make every thing a competition, keep score on drills, score on reps, and put it up so everyone can see that. I've had success doing that. Here are some of the things we've done. 40s but have them race in a tournament type structure, not time vs time Agility shuffle, same thing, side by side, not timed Tire flips Pull up, burpee, sit ups, up downs, push ups, etc. - side by side go as long as you can. Tempo and pace do not matter (sometimes strategy beats strength) Single man sled push (This one I go for distance in a set time) One of my favorite competitions is done at the end of lifting every day with some type of grip strength competition. I like it when they have to look each other in the eyes when they compete.
The thing you'll find is you will get unimpressive results until someone breaks the four minute mile. They blow the lid off of what everyone thinks is possible. Then everyone starts to challenge themselves more. Have garbage cans ready for when they start to puke.
I once coached at a school that the Dads would all reminisce about how bad they were and how they would blow games at the end. I couldn't believe that is what the glory year stories they all shared were about. That was a much harder turn around than the other programs I've been at. The main thing we focused on at that school is we convinced our players that we would find one thing and truly be the best at it as a whole. We were so used to being the bottom dwellers that we set off-season goals that X number of kids getting Y number or workouts in would be the 7th place team. We set another goal to be the 3rd from the bottom and so on. I know that isn't what you are asking for but it helped us a lot. Three years later we had the first playoff appearance in school history and the first playoff win as well.
You can still be nice when you win. It just makes the opponent dislike you so much more and then feel bad for not liking the nice team.
|
|
|
Post by silkyice on Jun 3, 2015 20:05:03 GMT -6
I really do not think it is hard at all to get people or teams to compete. Of course there are exceptions.
Get them as strong and fast as they can be. And in shape.
Have sound schemes.
Make sure the players know what they are doing - execution.
Make sure they know how to do it - fundamentals.
If all that competition stuff like tug of war and all works for you, great. I just think most players are competitive or they wouldn't be players. Not knocking it or saying you shouldn't do it, or there isn't a place for it, but I am positive that the 4 things listed above are WAY more important.
|
|
|
Post by fasterthanthefly on Jun 3, 2015 21:38:13 GMT -6
We do Ultimate Football with THREE teams (like ultimate frisbee but with a football) Two teams are on the field playing, one team is on the sideline doing some sort of grueling conditioning. The goal is obviously to stay on the field. The games are five minutes and the team leading stays, the team losing goes to conditioning. If the game is tied after 5 minutes the field position wins, whose goal line is the ball closest to regardless of possession.
They compete!! And it leads to discussions on hustle, leadership, controlling emotions, etc.
FTTF
|
|
biggus3
Sophomore Member
Posts: 178
|
Post by biggus3 on Jun 3, 2015 22:33:36 GMT -6
We play a lot of weird games and have an all summer long nerf assassination war. There are some common sense ground rules, but the point of the game is to kill your an opponent by carefully stalking them. The only time that you are not vulnerable is when you are with two other teammates that are in your lifting group. Our kids eat this up! The lengths they will go to socially engineer the setup for the kill is truly impressive.
I think these things don't teach our kids to compete, but rather make football fun. Im not that old, but for me winning was fun, and lifting weights and running scored me a few chicks and I also felt like a bada$$ which was all the reward I needed. I think kids in our school need to be entertained at all times. we ran the offseason like my old coach did here, ten guys would show up . I think competing is a matter if pride. If you build a physical specimen, who is 100% confident in his assignment, his ego will make him compete.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 8:27:28 GMT -6
Teams go through 4 Phases: 1) Learn How to Compete 2) Learn How to Win 3) Learn How to Handle Winning 4)Learn How to Be Champions I stole this tag line from a coach on this board and have been wanting to use it/extend it to be a core for improving the team instead of just a nice tag line on my emails. I'm the new HC here and am trying to change the program from perennial 2-8 teams to 5-5 or better. And 5-5 is not my final goal buy any means, but that's what I want to achieve, and maintain, in the next couple of seasons. The previous HC had the honor of reaching the 400-losses in school history milestone. Ways that I'm trying to get the program to learn how to compete: 1. Make the players better - Get them in the weight room, get them some confidence in themselves. This seems to be working, we now have an average of 20 players in the weight room, with a solid core of 12 players, guys that are really buying into the lifting. Next year I hope to have 12-15 players that have bought in, then 15-18, and so on. 2. Simplify the schemes - get better at running less of our O/D. Give the players a chance to be competitive on the field by being better (skill-wise) than we have been. We are also keeping the schemes from last season. The seniors last season had 4 separate offenses and 5 defenses in their 4 years. 3. Beginning a Loyalty Program (points for doing things) that includes individual and group competition - Most points = first locker and equipment kind of thing. Just about a month into this and it's working with some, others not so much. 4. Focus on skills - We just finished our spring sessions and focused on skill development rather than trying to put in our O/D. That seems to work as the players are better at their base techniques. 5. Um.... What do you do to develop a competitive nature in the players? I think you have to put into that equation coaches being able to take their players to different levels. With higher degree of athletes, the mastering of fundamentals takes fewer reps. The staff has to learn how to be a championship style coaching staff. The fundamentals and skills are different than scheme for clarification. Schemes in my opinion should be conservative. Few and few that you scheme/coach and are team based. Skills are what makes players on the individual level better.
|
|
|
Post by wingtol on Jun 5, 2015 8:41:06 GMT -6
I really do not think it is hard at all to get people or teams to compete. Of course there are exceptions. Get them as strong and fast as they can be. And in shape. Have sound schemes. Make sure the players know what they are doing - execution. Make sure they know how to do it - fundamentals. If all that competition stuff like tug of war and all works for you, great. I just think most players are competitive or they wouldn't be players. Not knocking it or saying you shouldn't do it, or there isn't a place for it, but I am positive that the 4 things listed above are WAY more important. Great way to say it. Last two schools we have been at including our current school were not real good when we took over. It wasn't a competetive problem with the kids, hell they were hungry to win, I am sure if we lined them up and did races or tug of war or something they would had age been all in to it working hard. It was more of they had no confidence in what they were doing on the field and did know how they were supposed to do it! Aka no sound schemes and not sound fundamentals once those were I place they had more confidence and were able to compete better on the field. We also do a great character building program that ties in with having confidence in what you are doing. Sure it's good to do competetive type stuff with the team to switch it up every now and then but I would rather stress working hard, believing in what we do, and believing in how we do it.
|
|
|
Post by gibbs72 on Jun 5, 2015 8:48:34 GMT -6
We incorporate competition in our weight training simply by using a "Power Index" I built on excel. It puts in the data from all our weight rooms tests (bench, squat, clean, 40, agility, vertical, body weight) and create an Index # that we can use to rank our players regardless of position or body type. I'm the DC, so I set a bar early on: you must be a Century Club (100 index) to be considered for playing defense of Friday nights and you must be a Silver Club (125 index) to be a "never come off the field guy". That gives our guys a goal to shoot for all spring/ summer as well as a chance to compete against each other for the best Index Ranking.
|
|
|
Post by wagzach09 on Dec 22, 2015 13:51:06 GMT -6
We incorporate competition in our weight training simply by using a "Power Index" I built on excel. It puts in the data from all our weight rooms tests (bench, squat, clean, 40, agility, vertical, body weight) and create an Index # that we can use to rank our players regardless of position or body type. I'm the DC, so I set a bar early on: you must be a Century Club (100 index) to be considered for playing defense of Friday nights and you must be a Silver Club (125 index) to be a "never come off the field guy". That gives our guys a goal to shoot for all spring/ summer as well as a chance to compete against each other for the best Index Ranking. Coach would you care to send that index. zachary.wagner@mclean.kyschools.us
|
|
|
Post by natenator on Dec 22, 2015 14:38:08 GMT -6
We incorporate competition in our weight training simply by using a "Power Index" I built on excel. It puts in the data from all our weight rooms tests (bench, squat, clean, 40, agility, vertical, body weight) and create an Index # that we can use to rank our players regardless of position or body type. I'm the DC, so I set a bar early on: you must be a Century Club (100 index) to be considered for playing defense of Friday nights and you must be a Silver Club (125 index) to be a "never come off the field guy". That gives our guys a goal to shoot for all spring/ summer as well as a chance to compete against each other for the best Index Ranking. Coach would you care to send that index. zachary.wagner@mclean.kyschools.us PM him and ask instead.
|
|
|
Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 22, 2015 15:04:26 GMT -6
One day a week starting in the second semester, we have 1 competition day every week. Sometimes basketball, sometimes weight related things, we have frequently set up a football skills obstacle course and divided into 2 teams.
When our staff took over, the kids didn't know how to compete in the slightest. They would congratulate the person or team who beat them. We also encouraged celebrations in our competitions. Maybe it's just me, but it really seemed like once our kids learned how to celebrate, they learned how to compete. The kids who didn't know how to compete thought celebrations were rude. The competitive kids loved an opportunity to beat someone and show them about it.
Another thing we will do is make kids put wagers on something. A certain amount of gasses or down-ups is the usual. And we will always give the losing team the chance for double or nothing. Our kids will fight their own mothers to win if it means they don't have to run.
|
|
|
Post by wagzach09 on Dec 22, 2015 16:15:44 GMT -6
We incorporate competition in our weight training simply by using a "Power Index" I built on excel. It puts in the data from all our weight rooms tests (bench, squat, clean, 40, agility, vertical, body weight) and create an Index # that we can use to rank our players regardless of position or body type. I'm the DC, so I set a bar early on: you must be a Century Club (100 index) to be considered for playing defense of Friday nights and you must be a Silver Club (125 index) to be a "never come off the field guy". That gives our guys a goal to shoot for all spring/ summer as well as a chance to compete against each other for the best Index Ranking. Coach would you care to send that index. zachary.wagner@mclean.kyschools.us
|
|
|
Post by newt21 on Dec 22, 2015 20:05:43 GMT -6
Any time you set up a competition, there has to be a winner and a loser. It's not a competition when everybody wins, it's apathetic. Set up rewards for the winners and/or punishments for the losers. Nothing ridiculous, just extra sprints/up downs. Enough to warrant the extra effort in the competition.
|
|
|
Post by morris on Dec 22, 2015 22:01:54 GMT -6
One of the things Harbaugh brought is was extra sprints for winners. Winners deserved to get better was what he told them. We do everything from ultimate football to tag and a bunch of other things mentioned. We do tend to group them to help build confidence so we don't have guys playing down to weaker competition.
|
|
|
Post by cfoott on Dec 23, 2015 8:33:02 GMT -6
We incorporate competition in our weight training simply by using a "Power Index" I built on excel. It puts in the data from all our weight rooms tests (bench, squat, clean, 40, agility, vertical, body weight) and create an Index # that we can use to rank our players regardless of position or body type. I'm the DC, so I set a bar early on: you must be a Century Club (100 index) to be considered for playing defense of Friday nights and you must be a Silver Club (125 index) to be a "never come off the field guy". That gives our guys a goal to shoot for all spring/ summer as well as a chance to compete against each other for the best Index Ranking. I really like this idea a lot. Just curious though, what would you do with a player who is a Silver club member who isn't very skilled and this causes them to a liability on your defense? Maybe it's due to the fact that they are coming out to play football for their first time as a junior or senior.
|
|
|
Post by gibbs72 on Dec 23, 2015 8:38:10 GMT -6
We incorporate competition in our weight training simply by using a "Power Index" I built on excel. It puts in the data from all our weight rooms tests (bench, squat, clean, 40, agility, vertical, body weight) and create an Index # that we can use to rank our players regardless of position or body type. I'm the DC, so I set a bar early on: you must be a Century Club (100 index) to be considered for playing defense of Friday nights and you must be a Silver Club (125 index) to be a "never come off the field guy". That gives our guys a goal to shoot for all spring/ summer as well as a chance to compete against each other for the best Index Ranking. I really like this idea a lot. Just curious though, what would you do with a player who is a Silver club member who isn't very skilled and this causes them to a liability on your defense? Maybe it's due to the fact that they are coming out to play football for their first time as a junior or senior. Never had that situation happen. Most likely I would maybe find a spot for him to rotate on the defensive line. If the kid has the measurements to be a silver Club player, we should be able to find a spot for him up front that can utilize his abilities
|
|