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Post by tog on Nov 3, 2005 13:23:01 GMT -6
How many of you guys have to deal with a basketball coach that lies to his kids about them getting scholarships to play basketball, when the real chance for the kid is football?
How many 6'5" posts are there at the college level? How many of those 6'5" athletes that can run do college football teams take and turn into all americans?
It's ok when the kids play both, but when they specialize in just basketball it really gets on my nerves.
Not doing what is best for the kids just makes me want to choke those jokers.
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Post by brophy on Nov 3, 2005 13:37:51 GMT -6
"..choke these jokers..."
Me likey
We have a few guys we've lost because the Ominipotent basketball program needs them year round. Even sold one kid into thinking he has a shoe deal (since he was 14)....
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Post by tog on Nov 3, 2005 13:38:54 GMT -6
makes me want to use my tom cruise energy weapon on them
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Post by brophy on Nov 3, 2005 13:40:16 GMT -6
we've lost 5'10" and 5'6" guys to the basketball program because they are worried about their chances at a basketball 'scholarship'...oy vey
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Post by coachjd on Nov 3, 2005 14:19:15 GMT -6
It is amazing that any kid with high tops and a head band thinks all the basketball coaches are in love with them and the college coaches will be lining up at their doors with a scholy in hand!
I look at the kids who just play basketball, and I usally see one lazy selfish kid who does not want to work out in the weightroom or put any time in with teammates.
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Post by brophy on Nov 3, 2005 14:36:38 GMT -6
basketball is tough...because fundamentals for basketball rarely are enforced. I don't hate basketball, but hustle isn't enforced much and it usually becomes a free for-all.
Watch the NBA players workout....nothing against them...but the game is all cardio...run run run run...the games always are determined in the final 45 seconds anyway....
All I can attest to is the complete ATROPHY of muscle mass in our football players playing basketball come March.
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Post by tog on Nov 3, 2005 14:50:31 GMT -6
ours look like gutted snowbirds when they get back from basketball
and they think they are lifting
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Post by brophy on Nov 3, 2005 15:28:22 GMT -6
"lifting" during basketball season is;
1) turn up stereo
2) talk to friends
3) do arm curls when the girls basketball team lifts
4) do 1/2 squats with light weight
5) take 2 minutes rest between sets
6) get on the exercise bike
7) talk to friends some more
8) talk on your cell phone
I'm not sayin'...I'm jes sayin'....
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Post by coachjd on Nov 3, 2005 16:07:43 GMT -6
I'm impressed with your team. Our coach will open the door to the weight room and tell any of the players "IF YOU WANT TO LIFT THE ROOM IS OPEN" 1-2 kids go in and the rest go home or shoot 3 pointers for pops against the coaches.
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Post by toprowguy on Nov 3, 2005 20:23:03 GMT -6
We are running into the same problem that evryone else is.
I think what we have to remember that it is so easy to play basketball (I played in HS). Put on a pair of shorts and sneakers and a T-shirt and go run around and play inside. Easy. Every kid coming out of 8th grade thinks they are a B-ball player. Its easy to play it. Most coaches know who there players are by the time they get to high school.
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Post by pegleg on Nov 4, 2005 8:41:38 GMT -6
The other side is it only takes one to have success and the rest will follw. We got a guy otta the gym a few years ago and he went D1 and then 4-5 more came out and they got schollys too and then everyone wanted to play because they saw that people really do get football schollys. Also, one of those thumpers was a senior who had never played, we had to show him how to put his pads in the first day, and he was all district and got a juco scholly. Stay on them and eventually you will get some out and the rest will follow.
No offense to anyone, but what you do scheme wise and the attitude of your coaches is a big factor too. Cedar Hill is a great example. They had an old staff and ran "old school" stuff, couldn't play dead and had low numbers, everyone was in the gym. New staff of young guys come in, put in the spread and an attacking 4-3. Kids came out of the gym and now they are going to win their district. Anyway my 2 cents, not saying that you have to run a spread or a 4-3, just that kids want to think they will have fun adn what they see on saturday and sunday is what they want t do. I'm also talking primarily about inner city type kids attitudes are different in the country.
Holla
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Post by amikell on Nov 4, 2005 10:54:43 GMT -6
you've got a great point pegleg and I agree on most of what you say. The thing that I have found wierd/odd/whatever, is that over the past 4 years, we've sent 4 kids to play in college. No scholarships, but D II and D III, even 1 IAA walk on for one of last year's semi-final teams, and our #'s continue to decline. I personally think the bottom line is winning to get kids out. No kid wants to work so hard for something that doesn't "succeed". Of course, it doesn't help that our b-ball coach tells them the same thing that you guys are talking about. Our starting QB from the past two years quit 2 days into the season this year to focus on b-ball, and his coach (also the AD) has him and 2 others that followed him in the gym shooting and lifting 3 days a week. I do have to say that the weight program they're on seems to be working.
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Post by tog on Nov 4, 2005 10:59:35 GMT -6
BASKETBALL
Basketball is classed as a "head Count" sport which means that the scholarships that are offered are "FULL RIDE SCHOLARSHIPS." there are 327 division 1 and 277 division 2 colleges that offer Men's basketball scholarships. there are also 324 division 1and 245 division 2 colleges that offer scholarships for women.
That's a total of 6,982 men's basketball scholarships available in the NCAA alone. For women there are a total of 7,310 scholarships in the NCAA.
FOOTBALL
Football is classed as a "head count" sport which means that the football scholarships that are offered are "FULL-RIDE." To retain division I status, a football team must have 76.5 football scholarship players and can carry 85 active scholarship players. In division I-AA, schools have 63 scholarships, usually divided among 85 players.
There are 117 division 1A,118 division 1AA and 150 division 2 colleges that offer football scholarships.
That's a total of 22,779 football scholarships available in the NCAA alone.
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Post by los on Nov 5, 2005 0:36:11 GMT -6
Tog, I'll tell you a real life story that might help you with basketball players. Back 6or8 years ago the head football coach at miller co. high, just down the road from us talked a kid into coming out for football, who had never played anything but basketball. I think he was a 10th grader at the time. He was tall, slim and real fast and became an all-state tailback there. He got signed on with the univ. of georgia(where they put some weight on him and made him a def. end) Naturally a guy like that could go around an offensive tackle type, like a hot knife thru butter. I heard later he got drafted by and won a starting job for the New Orleans Saints(still as a def. end I think! The kids name is Charles Grant. Real B-ball to football success story!
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