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Post by coachphillip on Apr 24, 2015 8:00:59 GMT -6
Am I the only one that notices this? Coaches seem to forget that, at one point in time, they were stupid freaking teenagers too. I don't get it. I am constantly reminded of this whenever I talk to guys I've known from when we were kids and they ask me, "What's up with these kids nowadays?!" We were equally, if not more, dumb than they were.
The other day, my DL coach is talking to me about how our kids are always getting caught doing stupid stuff and that we never did anything that dumb as kids. One of our boys "thought it would be funny" to throw a baseball at a seagull. This dummy through the ball while tracking the bird and didn't realize he was throwing the ball at a bird in front of a window. Lo and behold, he did not have the accuracy of the little girl from Full Metal Jacket and therefore threw the ball through the window, breaking it. He was suspended for damaging school property. He tried to explain the bird situation to the principal, but the bird wasn't available to corroborate his story. School policy mandates he won't play Week 1.
We didn't do anything like that? Really? Because I remember my DL coach getting high and drunk with several of our teammates when we were Juniors and driving a car INTO a Jack In The Box. Not THROUGH it. INTO it. They were trying to "gas, break, dip" in the parking lot when his seat flew forward and got stuck with his foot on the gas pedal. They smashed through the window and the wall and when they got out of the car, they were standing IN THE DINING ROOM. They had to open the restaurant doors to get out. Oh yeah. At which point they ran from the cops by foot. Only the driver was arrested since he turned himself in the next day. Yeah. What's up with these kids nowadays? Same thing that was up with me and you back in those days.
/rant over
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 24, 2015 8:05:31 GMT -6
might be on purpose
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 24, 2015 8:26:02 GMT -6
Absolutely we do.
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Post by fantom on Apr 24, 2015 8:28:22 GMT -6
Kids are knuckleheads. Always were, always will be. Psychologists will tell you that their wires aren't all connected yet. They;re going to make mistakes. A real leader can use those mistakes to teach lessons that will help the kid for the rest of his life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 8:56:41 GMT -6
I know that I was a complete idiot as a teen and through my first three years of college actually.
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Post by coachfloyd on Apr 24, 2015 9:05:01 GMT -6
Am I the only one that notices this? Coaches seem to forget that, at one point in time, they were stupid freaking teenagers too. I don't get it. I am constantly reminded of this whenever I talk to guys I've known from when we were kids and they ask me, "What's up with these kids nowadays?!" We were equally, if not more, dumb than they were. The other day, my DL coach is talking to me about how our kids are always getting caught doing stupid stuff and that we never did anything that dumb as kids. One of our boys "thought it would be funny" to throw a baseball at a seagull. This dummy through the ball while tracking the bird and didn't realize he was throwing the ball at a bird in front of a window. Lo and behold, he did not have the accuracy of the little girl from Full Metal Jacket and therefore threw the ball through the window, breaking it. He was suspended for damaging school property. He tried to explain the bird situation to the principal, but the bird wasn't available to corroborate his story. School policy mandates he won't play Week 1. We didn't do anything like that? Really? Because I remember my DL coach getting high and drunk with several of our teammates when we were Juniors and driving a car INTO a Jack In The Box. Not THROUGH it. INTO it. They were trying to "gas, break, dip" in the parking lot when his seat flew forward and got stuck with his foot on the gas pedal. They smashed through the window and the wall and when they got out of the car, they were standing IN THE DINING ROOM. They had to open the restaurant doors to get out. Oh yeah. At which point they ran from the cops by foot. Only the driver was arrested since he turned himself in the next day. Yeah. What's up with these kids nowadays? Same thing that was up with me and you back in those days. /rant over similar situation. hitting golf balls in my front yard within close proximity to the neighbors. I catch it good and its going right towards their house. Im thinking holy crap im screwed. It hit the power line. What are the odds? And yes people routinely forget how stupid they were.
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Post by newt21 on Apr 24, 2015 9:08:49 GMT -6
Couldn't agree more, but at the same time it doesn't mean we don't continue holding them to a high standard where we expect them to act otherwise. With some kids, when they know exactly what you expect will avoid the pitfalls of adolescence.
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Post by scottbailey on Apr 24, 2015 10:54:20 GMT -6
The difference isn't in what we did then compared to what they do now, its in how fast information travels and the amount/type of consequences in place today compared to when we were their age. I don't hide the fact that I was a knucklehead from our kids when I was their age....but I do explain that the phone in their hand is far more powerful than the one we had hanging on the wall of our house and the policies in place at the school today didn't exist when I was a kid.
Scott Bailey Lamar HS Lamar, Missouri
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Post by bluboy on Apr 24, 2015 10:59:22 GMT -6
When I was a young buck, I once raved to my dad about all these physical specimens that I was coaching. After my rant about their size, speed, and strength; my dad smiled and gave me a great piece of advice. He said, "I don't care how much hair they have on their face, chest or @ss; they're still 16-18 year old kids. Once you forget that, they'll do something really stupid to remind you of it." I have never forgotten those words of wisdom, and I frequently pass them on to young teachers and coaches(whether they like it or not).
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Post by ksmitty79 on Apr 24, 2015 12:14:21 GMT -6
The famous saying "Girls the longest winning streak in america"
I constantly have to remind myself that I was young and dumb at times. Hell I still am. We live close to a nice river with a rope swing and a lake. This time of year the numbers in the weight room are down a bit. All the while I ride by the local swimming hole and half of the damn football team is down their playing in the water. OR I ride by the local basketball courts and it is full of kids that need to be in the weight room because they are to soft/ to weak. I often forget how much these kids are distracted compared to us married football coaches. I
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 24, 2015 12:44:01 GMT -6
Kids are knuckleheads. Always were, always will be. Psychologists will tell you that their wires aren't all connected yet. They;re going to make mistakes. A real leader can use those mistakes to teach lessons that will help the kid for the rest of his life. There's actually some science behind this. Something about "pruning" as part of the development of the brain between the ages of 14-22ish... Crazy stuff. Makes sense though: Why teenagers feel that their parents "don't understand" them...they don't- adult brain is structured/organized different... Why I hit that age where I thought "my god, my dad was right when he said..." around my early 20's. I even apologized to my parents for being a knucklehead and never admitting how right they were about things.
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Post by kcbazooka on Apr 24, 2015 12:45:14 GMT -6
Main advantage to growing up when I did is that was no cell phone, facebook, snap chat, twitter to record everything me and my buddies did.
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Post by tothehouse on Apr 24, 2015 13:11:01 GMT -6
I, actually, don't know how I'm still alive...and/or not in jail...for the stuff I did. And I considered myself to be a good kid. Cell phones and security cameras would have easily put me behind bars.
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Post by fantom on Apr 24, 2015 13:12:55 GMT -6
I, actually, don't know how I'm still alive...and/or not in jail...for the stuff I did. And I considered myself to be a good kid. Cell phones and security cameras would have easily put me behind bars. Ditto that.
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Post by fballcoachg on Apr 24, 2015 20:04:44 GMT -6
Main advantage to growning up when I did is that was no cell phone, facebook, snap chat, twitter to record everything me and my buddies did. Actually talked about this recently in history class when addressing the 1950s and the glorified past that never was but always will be. I was paying the kids a mild compliment and talking about perception vs reality in that people bemoan today (regardless of when today is) as being so bad. I told them they are no worse than the generations before them, they many times are actually better behaved because of all the micromanaging of youth now except they are dumb enough to take pictures and video and let everyone see those things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 20:12:31 GMT -6
kids haven't changed, times have, but kids are and always will be the same. The more I am around the kids in school more I realize my parent were brilliant and I was a dumb ---
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Post by Coach Bennett on Apr 25, 2015 8:02:35 GMT -6
...and some kids just have a knack for getting caught while others do not.
Sometimes kids are just too dumb to be smart about being dumb.
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Post by tango on Apr 25, 2015 8:06:12 GMT -6
I told our kids yesterday to stop acting like DA's because times have changed. Then we walk outside the weight room and I said around 30 years ago, I was riding through the parking lot and this hand rail had a bird sitting on it. What do you think I did? Jumped out of the car and shot at the bird with a pellet gun. We now have a hole in my future office door. On Monday, the word at school is that someone tried to kill Coach X. I ask the kids how much trouble would you be in today. They were all laughing and couldn't believe the guy that gets onto them for not shaving would do something that stupid. We forget a lot!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 8:07:49 GMT -6
One other thing I have learned, is that there is a very good chance we didn't do anything our parent didn't know we were doing I say that because as an adult and a teacher I have learned that I cant pounce on every little thing. I have to pick my battles. We were not smarter kids. We were just kids.
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Post by s73 on Apr 25, 2015 8:19:26 GMT -6
Same goes for kids and work ethic. I have mellowed a great deal on some of that stuff. I used to go off on kids for not showing all the time to weights. Now, I once in a while make a comment here or there but for the most part I just encourage the kids who show. Why? Because the truth is I would not have done all the stuff on a continual regular basis the I ask my kids to. We never had year round lifting or summer camp. I was a 2 sport athlete and took the 3 rd season off to be a kid and enjoyed my summer (we lifted 3x a week that was all). I am reasonable about what I ask our kids to do comparatively to schools around us, but way more than I was asked to do. So let's see, I'm mellowing, more gray hair, sounds like the enlarged prostate and Low T is just around the corner.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 25, 2015 8:34:25 GMT -6
...and some kids just have a knack for getting caught while others do not. Sometimes kids are just too dumb to be smart about being dumb. One of the best players I ever coached would always tell the team after games, "be smart about your stupid decisions."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 8:47:46 GMT -6
So let's see, I'm mellowing, more gray hair, sounds like the enlarged prostate and Low T is just around the corner. I do not know how hold you are, but since I turned 30, its been down hill trek from he#. At least physically.
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Post by bignose on Apr 25, 2015 8:56:37 GMT -6
"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders, and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents; chatter before company; gobble their food and tyrannize their teachers."
Sound familiar? It isn't anything new.
Socrates circa 400 B.C.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 14:45:44 GMT -6
I am 27 so not fit to comment so much on "how it used to be," but at my current school (1st full time teaching and coaching gig) I do notice quite a difference in the respect that kids have for adults in the building from when I was in school 10+ years ago. A prime example in my school is that the vast majority of the kids refer to their teachers and coaches by last name only, as in "Hey Smith" as opposed to "Mr. Smith" or "Coach Smith." It drives me absolutely freaking NUTS how the adults let this happen! I cannot ever imagine my classmates or myself addressing an adult that way, in what was a relatively short period of time ago. It wasn't ever even anything that the adults in the building coached us up on, it's just the way it was. Meanwhile, I've found it to be an extremely challenging thing to "teach" without sounding elitist, and especially when it doesn't seem to bother any of the other adults in the building (blows my mind). I figured this might just be a difference in the school and community values where I am (small town rural) versus where I came from (suburban, middle-upper class), but in complaining about this to my sister who is still in high school at my alma mater, she says I'm crazy and to lighten up cause they all do it in her school too. What?!? Does anybody else notice this trend?
In my 3 years at the school I've bemoaned the lack of respect and humility that most of our kids have since the day I arrived. I have attributed it a bit to the widespread access to technology and information kids have where adults are no longer seen as sources of knowledge like they once might have been. It goes deeper than that, but that's the crux of it. We do have some good kids and families in the district but the majority of our kids come from low socioeconomic, broken homes, so a lot of the lack of discipline/respect stuff can be attributed to that... but the trends seem to be similar across the board for all schools.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 25, 2015 14:58:46 GMT -6
I've noticed the trend...but honestly it doesn't bother me one bit. I think how the kids act towards you is a much bigger sign of respect than what they call you.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 25, 2015 16:04:32 GMT -6
My HC was "Rod" (for Rodriguez), my OL coach was "Schneider", my DB coach was "Relova". That's just how we all were at my school. I loved those guys and respected the heck out of them. If they ever weren't comfortable with it, I would correct it no problem. They just never said anything so it was considered cool.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 25, 2015 16:05:06 GMT -6
You may think you're coming off as a DB, but the kids get it.
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 25, 2015 17:04:53 GMT -6
Part of it with me is my last name is Fernetti and kids still think they're being clever when they rhyme my name with Italian food. It's natural for them to shorten it to "Fern" but at my current school most do say "Coach Fern" or "Mr. Fern" but I'm not particular on it.
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Post by fantom on Apr 26, 2015 7:20:02 GMT -6
I am 27 so not fit to comment so much on "how it used to be," but at my current school (1st full time teaching and coaching gig) I do notice quite a difference in the respect that kids have for adults in the building from when I was in school 10+ years ago. A prime example in my school is that the vast majority of the kids refer to their teachers and coaches by last name only, as in "Hey Smith" as opposed to "Mr. Smith" or "Coach Smith." It drives me absolutely freaking NUTS how the adults let this happen! I cannot ever imagine my classmates or myself addressing an adult that way, in what was a relatively short period of time ago. It wasn't ever even anything that the adults in the building coached us up on, it's just the way it was. Meanwhile, I've found it to be an extremely challenging thing to "teach" without sounding elitist, and especially when it doesn't seem to bother any of the other adults in the building (blows my mind). I figured this might just be a difference in the school and community values where I am (small town rural) versus where I came from (suburban, middle-upper class), but in complaining about this to my sister who is still in high school at my alma mater, she says I'm crazy and to lighten up cause they all do it in her school too. What?!? Does anybody else notice this trend? In my 3 years at the school I've bemoaned the lack of respect and humility that most of our kids have since the day I arrived. I have attributed it a bit to the widespread access to technology and information kids have where adults are no longer seen as sources of knowledge like they once might have been. It goes deeper than that, but that's the crux of it. We do have some good kids and families in the district but the majority of our kids come from low socioeconomic, broken homes, so a lot of the lack of discipline/respect stuff can be attributed to that... but the trends seem to be similar across the board for all schools. You get what you accept and you get what you give. If you make it clear that you expect full respect and if you respect them then they'll treat you with respect.
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 26, 2015 8:44:05 GMT -6
I'm actively trying to forget how dumb I was during my teenage/early college years. I didn't know sh!t about sh!t, but that amazing teenage confidence made for some interesting moments.
I just want to get away from those flashbacks at random times that start "Hey Zach, remember that time when you..."
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