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Post by tothehouse on Apr 20, 2015 22:26:56 GMT -6
I find that people want to know about our program...which is cool. But how guarded are you with disseminating information to people?
I also don't think people should know anything they don't need to know. I live in a small town and {censored} travels like wildfire.
I find that if I know what the truth is...then the rumors are false. I also know who the town cryers are and some of them are on the staff. Time to tell them to shut their yappers about the inner working of the program.
Thoughts.
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Post by fantom on Apr 20, 2015 22:32:34 GMT -6
I find that people want to know about our program...which is cool. But how guarded are you with disseminating information to people? I also don't think people should know anything they don't need to know. I live in a small town and {censored} travels like wildfire. I find that if I know what the truth is...then the rumors are false. I also know who the town cryers are and some of them are on the staff. Time to tell them to shut their yappers about the inner working of the program. Thoughts. What do you mean, how much info do I give to outsiders about what's going with the program? If so, damn near nothing. If you have yappers on staff you have to figure out who can handle sensitive info and who can't. When the info is "need to know" maybe everybody on staff doesn't need to know. |
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Post by tothehouse on Apr 20, 2015 23:19:47 GMT -6
I'm saying if someone asks. I'm guessing people go with the bland...like when they talk with reporters. I'm with you Fantom. Nobody knows what is going on in the inner circle.
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Post by fantom on Apr 20, 2015 23:23:52 GMT -6
I'm saying if someone asks. I'm guessing people go with the bland...like when they talk with reporters. I'm with you Fantom. Nobody knows what is going on in the inner circle. Being quotable never saved anybody's job. |
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Post by smcauliffe54 on Apr 21, 2015 3:22:03 GMT -6
In conference/division i wouldnt talk nuiances(sp?)of how you approach different things. ex: how to pick up a blitz, how you change play at the line. sensitive stuff like that.
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Post by agame on Apr 21, 2015 4:41:26 GMT -6
In conference/division i wouldnt talk nuiances(sp?)of how you approach different things. ex: how to pick up a blitz, how you change play at the line. sensitive stuff like that. This ^ beyond that I'm open to anyone who wants to learn about what we run.. Especially this side of the pond.. I'm all for bringing new coaches through and sharing info... |
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Post by olcoach53 on Apr 21, 2015 7:51:48 GMT -6
Everybody is always looking for an opinion or gossip. I usually just refer all questions to the head coach.
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 21, 2015 7:57:41 GMT -6
I find that people want to know about our program...which is cool. But how guarded are you with disseminating information to people? I also don't think people should know anything they don't need to know. I live in a small town and {censored} travels like wildfire. I find that if I know what the truth is...then the rumors are false. I also know who the town cryers are and some of them are on the staff. Time to tell them to shut their yappers about the inner working of the program. Thoughts. Town criers are a dime a dozen and small town drama is about as bad as it gets.
that said, I often seek out those blabber mouth types and make sure they get the info that I want out and about and do not get the info that I do not want out and about.
BE POSITIVE.
that's the answer, make sure your staff is aware that you expect them NOT TO BE TALKING TO PARENTS. I have one that does and it never helps.
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Post by tothehouse on Apr 21, 2015 8:43:26 GMT -6
DC...the Reds manager is part of the reason I created this thread.
Total agreement with you. "I know nothing".
I also own a key to our equipment room...but nobody knows that. The less people know...the better.
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Post by 33coach on Apr 21, 2015 8:50:04 GMT -6
I'll always talk about the what & why.
Never the how..
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Post by dytmook on Apr 21, 2015 10:33:55 GMT -6
If it's about what we do it's very generic and something you could pick up from just watching.
If you want to know how good we will be or about a certain kid. Always we could be good, just need young guys to step up, he's a good kid but has growing up to do, or there is a lot of potential. Our kids and their performance are no one else's business. If it's beyond that I'll just refer them to people above me.
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2015 10:42:53 GMT -6
You can probably leave out the stuff about Annie (don't play this clip out loud if you're proctoring a test).
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 21, 2015 11:05:20 GMT -6
I had an assistant who thought it was his job to talk. His job was to say here's the head coach's number call him. Or at least say positive things supportive of the program. This guy could do neither.
When I was an assistant and faced with similar situations I always supported my boss and the program.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 21, 2015 11:09:10 GMT -6
On my coaching drills, techniques, scheme I'll tell you whatever you want to know besides hand signals/exact play calls. I just make up generic stuff for playbooks and articles I would write.
When it comes to the actual kids, etc- no none is legally allowed to know anything private anyway.
Of course with parents, media, etc my response is "I love it here, all is well"
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 21, 2015 11:24:05 GMT -6
Being quotable never saved anybody's job. Neither did spouting cliches. |
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2015 11:27:10 GMT -6
Being quotable never saved anybody's job. Neither did spouting cliches. (Cliche alert) Everybody's entitled to his opinion. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 21, 2015 12:20:08 GMT -6
I just don't get what is hurt by speaking the truth. Football coaches act like we're guarding launch codes to nuclear weapons sometimes. Just be you. If that means cliches, then knock yourself out.
Neither will save your job.
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2015 12:44:15 GMT -6
I just don't get what is hurt by speaking the truth. Football coaches act like we're guarding launch codes to nuclear weapons sometimes. Just be you. If that means cliches, then knock yourself out. Neither will save your job. We're not talking about talking to other coaches. We're talking about the media and the general public. What are we supposed to say, "Our offensive line stinks."? "Jimmy would be our starting QB if he wasn't so lazy."? "We should have a running clock by halftime."? Why would you say something that could pi$$ people off? I disagree that you can't save your job by not irritating people. If you're highly successful you can say whatever you want. If you're a .700 coach who has run his mouth and irritated people you may be gone. If you haven't made enemies you may get the benefit of the doubt. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 21, 2015 13:56:14 GMT -6
You'll make enemies saying the "right" thing too. Telling the truth at least allows you to sleep at night.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 21, 2015 14:00:40 GMT -6
I only open up about the inner workings of our program to my girlfriend. No need in telling anything to anyone out of house.
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Post by tothehouse on Apr 21, 2015 14:14:23 GMT -6
I can tell you the truth...but it doesn't have to be the whole truth.
I also don't want you to know how I feel about a situation through body language. I try to manipulate the situation by listening.
If I think you're going to be stupid about something...then you'll get the silent treatment until you go away. I need to trust you to get any inside details. And the list is less than the number of fingers on one hand...of people I trust to give inside info. out to.
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Post by freezeoption on Apr 21, 2015 14:18:09 GMT -6
you don't lie, but you don't say anything that you don't need to say, i've coached long enough to know what needs to be said and not, i've gone through the small town stuff, assts don't talk except in the staff, i will give a good example, i went back to the college i graduated from, worked on my masters, coached at the high school there where i coached as a undergrad, i had a old college friend that was on the town's newspaper, he came up to me and said can i get some info and i said sure, i covered the oline and dline, talked about the kids and season, simple stuff, not a lot of detail, well that guy didn't go around and talked to everyone else, and he kept coming to me for stuff, which i just talked about the line play in the game and gave a couple kids names, simple stuff, but he didn't go to the other coaches, one day in a coaches meeting, the 2nd in command made fun of my line, but broke out the statement that they are the only ones that get newspaper time, so i stopped talking to my friend, and every time he came to me i said why don't you ask such and such about their kids or play, although i don't think that was what the op was thinking it is a example of being quiet
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2015 15:27:44 GMT -6
You'll make enemies saying the "right" thing too. Telling the truth at least allows you to sleep at night. Based on the question that the OP asked, what would be an example of telling the truth? |
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Post by bluboy on Apr 21, 2015 16:26:20 GMT -6
I am an assistant coach; I do not talk to reporters unless the HC tells me I have to do so. When I do talk to reporters, I only talk about the positive things our kids have done, regardless of win or loss.
When I talk about what we do, I'm very open. I will tell you what we do, but not necessarily how or why. There are some coaches in my area that I have talked with, but will not talk X's and O's with them because they are blabbermouths.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 21, 2015 18:27:23 GMT -6
You'll make enemies saying the "right" thing too. Telling the truth at least allows you to sleep at night. Based on the question that the OP asked, what would be an example of telling the truth? I didn't see a question really, but if people are asking about he said she said bs, tell the truth. You do no good just spouting more bs to cya. |
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2015 18:44:47 GMT -6
Based on the question that the OP asked, what would be an example of telling the truth? I didn't see a question really, but if people are asking about he said she said bs, tell the truth. You do no good just spouting more bs to cya. This isn't intended as an insult or argument but you never cease to amaze me with your ability to find a contrarian vie on any issue no matter how noncontroversial. As others have said, I'm not talking about lying but I can't imagine why anybody would tell a reporter or a guy on the street inside stuff about your business, no matter what business that is. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 21, 2015 19:54:32 GMT -6
I didn't see a question really, but if people are asking about he said she said bs, tell the truth. You do no good just spouting more bs to cya. This isn't intended as an insult or argument but you never cease to amaze me with your ability to find a contrarian vie on any issue no matter how noncontroversial. As others have said, I'm not talking about lying but I can't imagine why anybody would tell a reporter or a guy on the street inside stuff about your business, no matter what business that is. I don't really talk to much of anyone ever, but when I do, if they ask a specific question, I give them the truth. |
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 21, 2015 20:06:37 GMT -6
"Hey Coach. Just wondering, why are you guys down this year? Is it a lack of talent?"
"Nope. Talent is there. We just don't have any support whatsoever from our admin and community. We do not do everything in this school possible to help these kids because some old a$$ men are too busy playing politics upstairs."
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"We definitely have potential. We just haven't taken advantage of opportunities. The boys are working hard to improve their game and we're just aiming to get better every day as a program."
99% of people I know are getting answer B.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 22, 2015 6:50:33 GMT -6
"Hey Coach. Just wondering, why are you guys down this year? Is it a lack of talent?" "Nope. Talent is there. We just don't have any support whatsoever from our admin and community. We do not do everything in this school possible to help these kids because some old a$$ men are too busy playing politics upstairs." Or "We definitely have potential. We just haven't taken advantage of opportunities. The boys are working hard to improve their game and we're just aiming to get better every day as a program." 99% of people I know are getting answer B. Do people actually ask you questions like that? Maybe I just have a "Don't freaking talk to me" face? |
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Post by agame on Apr 22, 2015 6:55:59 GMT -6
Rebuilding year.. Was all that was needed to be said... Lol
Everyone uses 'rebuilding year' when they have little talent..
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