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Post by coachwillby on Apr 20, 2015 19:05:14 GMT -6
I'm aware of the wonderlic given by the NFL, but looking into others... Has anyone given psychological tests to your athletes to see who the leaders are, coachable players, etc. Some of the reading I've done suggests... Athletic Motivational Inventory, Test of Attentional and Interpersonal Style, and Profile of Mood States for athletes.
Anyone done anything like this?
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Post by bluedevil4 on Apr 20, 2015 19:09:54 GMT -6
If a player is a leader, they'll step up and lead by voice, example, or some other means.
If a player is coachable, he will show improvement using what we have coached.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Apr 20, 2015 19:13:36 GMT -6
OK, thought I could edit posts, but I guess not. By what I said, I mean that there is such thing as doing too much. IMO to make kids take these exams outside of mandatory regulations for post-graduate reasons, it is just micromanaging. Keep it simple.
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Post by coachwillby on Apr 20, 2015 20:17:19 GMT -6
Thank you for your response.
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Post by fantom on Apr 20, 2015 20:34:27 GMT -6
I'm aware of the wonderlic given by the NFL, but looking into others... Has anyone given psychological tests to your athletes to see who the leaders are, coachable players, etc. Some of the reading I've done suggests... Athletic Motivational Inventory, Test of Attentional and Interpersonal Style, and Profile of Mood States for athletes. Anyone done anything like this? I'm not a trained psychologist. It seems to me that a layman giving a test like this and using the results to guide your evaluation of players is a way to get in trouble. |
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 20, 2015 21:17:29 GMT -6
I'm aware of the wonderlic given by the NFL, but looking into others... Has anyone given psychological tests to your athletes to see who the leaders are, coachable players, etc. Some of the reading I've done suggests... Athletic Motivational Inventory, Test of Attentional and Interpersonal Style, and Profile of Mood States for athletes. Anyone done anything like this? I'm not a trained psychologist. It seems to me that a layman giving a test like this and using the results to guide your evaluation of players is a way to get in trouble. I agree. It shouldn't take long to figure out who your leaders are. The weight room usually shows a few leaders and when practice starts, you will know for sure. |
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Post by georgefred86 on Apr 20, 2015 22:11:03 GMT -6
We do not have the money or the resources for these type of tests. We are also not a multi-million dollar business aka professional organization, worried only about the bottom line. And by the way, I would suggest the NFL find some new tests because it sure doesn't look like those tests have been very successful lately!
Our job is give young people an opportunity to succeed and to be there for them when all hell breaks loose. The most rewarding part of the job as a high school coach is making a difference in young men's lives and if you are able to win football games at the same time ... that's a bonus!
And by the way, our program has won a lot of football games ... how about as coaches we assist in becoming the predictor of their success in life instead of some dumb ass test! We get to know our kids while they are in youth football and work with them in our camps and in strength and speed. It takes a whole lot of folks to raise these young men ... screw testing IMO.
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Post by fshamrock on Apr 21, 2015 8:54:26 GMT -6
..not that anybody asked me, but the test are a waste of money even for a multi-million dollar business. I had to take a bunch of them in grad school and it was just silly. Here's the patent pending fshamrock personality test
1) If a bunch of people were standing around not doing anything, which are you likely to do?
A. stand there too
B. start a flash mob dance to thriller
C. ask if anybody has weed
D. find something for them to accomplish and lead them
Results: (complicated psychological algorithms processing) if you answered D..you are a leader
That'll be $39.95
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Post by spreadattack on Apr 21, 2015 9:12:25 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2015 10:03:51 GMT -6
Very interesting article but I looked for one critical bit of info that I couldn't find- how much does it cost? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 21, 2015 10:22:08 GMT -6
Very interesting article but I looked for one critical bit of info that I couldn't find- how much does it cost?  The article mentioned he is currently working with some prime time schools, and is meeting with some NFL teams. It didn't say that Nicholls state or Grambling University were clients...so I am guessing it is currently cost prohibitive for HS athletics |
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2015 10:27:31 GMT -6
Very interesting article but I looked for one critical bit of info that I couldn't find- how much does it cost? The article mentioned he is currently working with some prime time schools, and is meeting with some NFL teams. It didn't say that Nicholls state or Grambling University were clients...so I am guessing it is currently cost prohibitive for HS athletics Unless, as he mentioned at the end, they develop a way for HS coaches to administrate the test. I am NOT giving psychological tests. |
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Post by CoachWeitz on Apr 21, 2015 11:40:37 GMT -6
I understand some of the concern with a few of these test or at least hoping to achieve a personality/leadership with these test but I do think there is a place for testing in sports. I've been interested in possibly test players to get a rough picture of learning style, ability to retain information and problem solving ability, especially as players are entering the system.
I'm not saying any of this stuff would be earth shattering and change whole scale what I do with the team/position group but it might lead to better placement of players in positions (thinking big time about OL here) and ability to reach and teach players. Plus if you find a cheap one that takes less than a half hour to administer it's a pretty low cost idea which the potential for a big upside.
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Post by maikaione on Apr 21, 2015 13:24:16 GMT -6
Give your players a task to perform. Tell them what must be done but not how it must be done. Sit back and watch. Who your leaders are will become immediately evident.
Simply identifying leaders isn't that useful. You've also got to figure out which ones have their vision aligned with that of your program.
People will naturally follow the leaders, make sure the ones you designate to lead your team are not just leaders but are also leading them in the right direction.
There are a lot of people that lack a few qualities of an effective leader. These guys should be identified and mentored so that they develop these qualities.
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Post by natenator on Apr 22, 2015 4:46:42 GMT -6
The only psychological test I need to know for JV players is how crazy are they.
8-10, they can play defense otherwise to the dark side they go lol
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Post by spreadattack on Apr 23, 2015 20:12:16 GMT -6
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The article mentioned he is currently working with some prime time schools, and is meeting with some NFL teams. It didn't say that Nicholls state or Grambling University were clients...so I am guessing it is currently cost prohibitive for HS athletics