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Post by fantom on Apr 13, 2015 9:08:25 GMT -6
The thread about the perfect practice got me thinking about this question: How many reps of any particular drill do you do during indy period? If you count "one to the left and one to the right" as one rep, how may reps do you do?
I rarely do more than two reps of any individual drill, especially for every day drills. My thinking:
1. I want to keep things moving. 2. We have a lot to do. 3. We're going to do it again tomorrow.
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Post by agap on Apr 13, 2015 9:17:58 GMT -6
Depends. For some things we'll do it once each way. Other things we'll do over and over again for 5 minutes or so.
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Post by mattharris75 on Apr 13, 2015 9:28:38 GMT -6
For me, it's always depended on the specific drill and its relevance to our scheme and our personnel.
For many drills, particularly any that focus on an individual skill, I just want a rep or two a day. For more complex skills, or things I think the players need more work on at that time, we may max rep it for 5 minutes. So, really it's not a totally static thing. It can vary quite a bit from early to late season and week to week.
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Post by fantom on Apr 13, 2015 9:36:22 GMT -6
For me, it's always depended on the specific drill and its relevance to our scheme and our personnel. For many drills, particularly any that focus on an individual skill, I just want a rep or two a day. For more complex skills, or things I think the players need more work on at that time, we may max rep it for 5 minutes. So, really it's not a totally static thing. It can vary quite a bit from early to late season and week to week. Kind of hijacking my own thread here but how often do guys put in new drills during the season?
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Post by coach31 on Apr 13, 2015 9:40:41 GMT -6
Coach, For every day drills, I time. Start with 10 minute periods at the start of camp. Enough time to introduce drill, make specific corrections, etc. At the end of 2-A-Days we cut to 5 minute periods, by the end of the year we are at 2 or 3 minutes. I make sure everybody does the drill. In two minutes we shoot for 6-12 individual reps. Try to keep drills to less than 5 things we can correct.
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Post by mattharris75 on Apr 13, 2015 9:46:39 GMT -6
For me, it's always depended on the specific drill and its relevance to our scheme and our personnel. For many drills, particularly any that focus on an individual skill, I just want a rep or two a day. For more complex skills, or things I think the players need more work on at that time, we may max rep it for 5 minutes. So, really it's not a totally static thing. It can vary quite a bit from early to late season and week to week. Kind of hijacking my own thread here but how often do guys put in new drills during the season? I didn't intend to imply that I was adding new drills during the season, just that I adjusted how often we ran certain drills based on performance during the season. For instance, last season we were new to running inside zone. I spent a lot of time early on repping the running back reads. As the season progressed, we got to where we were executing that pretty well, but I noticed other areas that needed improvement (Such as blocking EMOL on sprint out). And perhaps it was my fault due to neglect of those skills. So we'd cut reps on our zone read drill and work our edge blocking drill more. As to adding new drills during the season, I have done it a few times, based on thinking that what I was currently doing wasn't as effective as it could have been. It's not necessarily desirable, but sometimes is for the best, in my opinion. I suppose that my philosophy is that growth as a coach is a constant thing, just like it is for our players. If something I'm doing doesn't service this particular group of kids as well as it should then I'm going to change it if I can.
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Post by fantom on Apr 13, 2015 9:53:08 GMT -6
Kind of hijacking my own thread here but how often do guys put in new drills during the season? I didn't intend to imply that I was adding new drills during the season, just that I adjusted how often we ran certain drills based on performance during the season. I understand that. I wasn't specifically talking to you. It was just a question that led to a question.
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 13, 2015 9:56:22 GMT -6
My standard is twice each way, or 2 by your definition. If we are repping let say a rip move, and one kid is struggling I will have him do a few more and break it down more. The other kids know to just keep going until I call for the drill. So they may do 10 reps on one particular day, but that is a rare exception rather than the rule.
We rarely put in new drills after the first 2 weeks. I have a good idea going into a season, and will modify a bit once I see skill levels.
I will also do high level reps if we did poorly executing something. Example being tackling, if we tackled poorly in a game, we may rep tackling. If its bad form, we will run the hill come back do it again. I will do this until we ALL do it correctly. The most we have ran the hill is probably 10-15 times. Most kids have a point where they tend to get "emotional" and are so mad at me they will do whatever I ask just to prove they can do it and fear/tiredness leaves the mind and adrenaline kicks in.
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Post by funkfriss on Apr 13, 2015 12:35:59 GMT -6
As others have said, depends on the drill. Something like a specific block for an OL, yes probably 2 reps. Something like a block recognition drill for DL or blitz pickup for OL, I'd try to get in as many reps as I can in a 5 minute period. For both types of drills, I like working in pods of 3 or 4 where 2 guys are going (3 if working dt or combo looks) while the next pod is on deck and the third pod is in the hole (just completing their rep in theory).
A specific technique drill I will slow down and break down technique if it needs fixing. In a more comprehensive drill (block recognition/blitz pickup) I'll keep the coaching to verbal cues to keep the reps going. If technique was terrible, we'll go back to a technique session the next day.
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Post by fballcoachg on Apr 13, 2015 17:08:03 GMT -6
For me, it's always depended on the specific drill and its relevance to our scheme and our personnel. For many drills, particularly any that focus on an individual skill, I just want a rep or two a day. For more complex skills, or things I think the players need more work on at that time, we may max rep it for 5 minutes. So, really it's not a totally static thing. It can vary quite a bit from early to late season and week to week. Kind of hijacking my own thread here but how often do guys put in new drills during the season? when there is a glaring need or deficiency in what we are doing I'll put in a new drill to rep that skill set. I try and evaluate the need for drills throughout the season, never been shy about subbing a new one in just depends on the needs of that years kids.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 13, 2015 18:08:03 GMT -6
Indy is on average 10 minutes, sometimes I get another period that I can teach fundamentals, but usually it is a group period for teaching/repping concepts in the secondary with LBs.
The ones I do every day it's 1 or left&right and onto the next. The others, I will focus a bit more on and may rep a couple of times
So far as introducing new drills, I only introducing new drills if there is a serious need for something to change and I am trying to fix a flaw.
Example, a couple of years ago we were very average on defense, and just couldn't quite get to the level we had been at before; especially in the secondary. We couldn't take an angle with with a protractor and slide rule, and we didn't tackle very well either. Instead of doing our usually BP, footwork, break, etc.... drills in indy we just worked on angles and closing space anyway I could think of, and we also quit doing our tackle circuit as a DB group and just worked on tackling in space by ourselves. --- Our whole defense had to do a major reset.
Now I might throw in a different way of doing the same drill to break the monotony, but I've got so many that I've tried to settle into a set group of essential drills, supplemental drills, and just fun/change of pace drills.
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Post by norcaldiaz on Apr 16, 2015 20:20:08 GMT -6
Without trying to get too crazy, I try to always be on the lookout for new but cheap ways to reinforce the same fundamentals. "Same Skills, Different Drills". Helps break up monotony and keeps practice fresh.
For example my WRs early in camp will run the square drill every day. They aren't ready to do anything else but focus on being perfect in & out of their breaks! But there are more ways to work on getting in and out of breaks, and as we progress, I will mix it up more and more. Start throwing a ball or two in there, add a distraction, and now we are getting that work along with other fundamentals work in less time.
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 16, 2015 20:35:19 GMT -6
depends on the time of year
spring ball... a lot, couldnt tell you an exact number, but they are so raw at that point in the year it seems you have a lot of new kids
so we do less drills, but more reps of those drills
as they get better at the drills, the number of reps of each drill decrease, and the number of drills/skills we work on increase
it is an inverse relationship
by the time we are rolling in season, i do typically 3 reps each way before going on to the next drill for the EDD stuff
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 16, 2015 23:19:25 GMT -6
3 Reps each way
And I don't have an issue with adding drills during the season. Drills are meant to teach or correct something. So if there is something very specific that we just are not accomplishing on Fridays then I will implement a drill to address that specific issue.
Hopefully its nothing mind blowing or at least is a drill we have addressed earlier in the year. But if there is a problem, I'll look for a drill to fix it.
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Post by hammer66 on Apr 17, 2015 5:57:47 GMT -6
3 reps each way for me has been ideal. At the end of the week it all adds up on the EDDs. As for adding new drills. I rarely do it but will if it will help fix a problem. My guys flow from one EDD to the next and get used to the pace and understand the number of reps we are doing... sometimes they will catch me making a mistake and say Coach I have another rep to do.
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Post by Rooster on Apr 17, 2015 7:53:34 GMT -6
Why do you run a play a 1,000 times? 999 isn't good enough.....
Rooster
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Post by ksmitty79 on Apr 17, 2015 9:53:48 GMT -6
To me it depends on the time in the season. I have what I call everyday drills. In the beginning of the season I rep them 4 Times (4 downs)each way and always start with the rightfoot (we are going to do things the Right way) Zone/Counter/Power Pull/Skip Pull/Reach. This is something I do EVERYDAY! Come Late October the kids have the muscle memory as well as the correct technique of these everyday drills. I will reduce the number of those reps to just one per-side unless someone wants to be lazy!
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 17, 2015 10:47:21 GMT -6
Speaking only in-season-
Depending on the drill, 2-4 reps for the longer drills (backpedal drills with breaks, tackle fit drills etc.) and 4-8 for shorter drills (punch drills, block destruction etc...)
Like you, fantom, I like to keep it popping
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Post by chipprjonz10 on Apr 20, 2015 10:24:48 GMT -6
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 20, 2015 10:38:04 GMT -6
Why do you run a play a 1,000 times? 999 isn't good enough..... Rooster at 999 you are still thinking about the play and your assignments. At 1,000 wow the lights go on and it is automatic for the kids. Then you are an offensive machine! For that one play.
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Post by fantom on Apr 20, 2015 10:41:51 GMT -6
Why do you run a play a 1,000 times? 999 isn't good enough..... Rooster Yeah but you don't do all 1000 on the same day.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 20, 2015 19:40:21 GMT -6
Read Outliers
10,000 hours to gain mastery
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 20, 2015 19:43:21 GMT -6
Then again, the real underlying question here is, "how much is good enough".
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Post by fantom on Apr 20, 2015 19:58:24 GMT -6
Read Outliers10,000 hours to gain mastery A piano player doesn't need 10,000 hours of practicing the same note.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 21, 2015 20:41:10 GMT -6
Nor does a DB need 1000 hours on perfect stance
Mastery isn't about 1 component of a skill set, it is about the whole skill set.
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Post by fantom on Apr 21, 2015 20:56:15 GMT -6
Then again, the real underlying question here is, "how much is good enough". Right. The problem with the 10,000 hour rule in HS football is that Bill Gates and the other people in "Outliers" weren't limited to two hours a day practicing their trade. To achieve mastery under this rule a player would have to attend 5,000 practice sessions. Jethro Bodine might have had a shot at that but nobody else does.
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