coachf
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Post by coachf on Nov 12, 2007 13:08:55 GMT -6
standing up for your conference, i see. Understandable.
Really, I sort of agree with you. But, I saw a 6A team a couple of years that played with a stud QB who lived about 15miles outside of the school, in a 2A district. He would have made that 2A team incredible. Instead, he gets gobbled up and that small school is left with a bare cupboard.
The problem is that even though most do not directly recruit, they do get their share of kids that should be going somewhere else. I do not feel sorry for the Catholic schools. I know you use a certain Lake team for your argument, but understand this. Most of the Catholic schools in Illinois have advantages over the public schools. It is not fair to take one example and cry foul.
I am sorry this was supposed to have the original thread paragraph as a quote. It probably doesn't make any sense without that.
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Post by darebelcoach on Nov 12, 2007 13:10:44 GMT -6
I don't think prossi was saying that Holy Cross was a football powerhouse....I think the point he was trying to make is that Catholic schools recruit, whether they get "caught" or not. Wildcat, you stated that all private schools are getting punished for the few that recruit...I don't have any hard facts or that, but I would put a safe bet down that more private schools recruit than those that don't. I think prossi's point was that Holy Cross went out of its way to recruit Wolfe to their school, and low and behold, with him on their team as a senior, they made the playoffs and won a few games in the playoffs.....I don't think Holy Cross was ever "sanctioned" for illegal recruiting, but I am pretty sure that they were recruiting. It happens, and the multiplier helps even it out. Is anyone complaining that it is unfair that Driscoll, IL is beating up on public league schools on its way to another state title?
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Post by lionhart on Nov 12, 2007 14:37:57 GMT -6
like cjkal said, here in new jersey yje "non-publics" have their own playoffs. its the only way it can work here. the parochials have such an advatnage over the publics its almost comical. no public school powerhouse could even compete with the best parochials....its that much of a difference. i think more states should adopt this method.... it seems only fair that schools should comepte with other schools who play by the same set of rules. we have a couple parochial schools in our area with kids from 40 different cities/towns (including a few from out of state). these are virtual all-star teams made up of top notch pop warner type kids who would DOMINATE if they stayed at tyheir public school. but they choose the parochial for a chance to face better competition and get national exposure. cant blame them or their parents for those choices. at the same time, these teams shouldnt be allowed to play in a playoff system vs teams that ONLY draw from within the city limits!!
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Post by k on Nov 12, 2007 17:30:33 GMT -6
I asked our freshman today who was asked by *insert the two volunteer coaches for the local Catholic school here* to go to *enter catholic high school here*. eleven of my seventeen starters raised their hands. Stories included coaches offering to pick the kids up at their houses every day if they couldn't get a ride to school to a kid being told he wouldn't go to heaven if he went to a public high school. "Make sure you bug your parents to let you go to *insert name of local catholic school*."
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Post by wildcat on Nov 12, 2007 18:13:25 GMT -6
standing up for your conference, i see. Understandable. Really, I sort of agree with you. But, I saw a 6A team a couple of years that played with a stud QB who lived about 15miles outside of the school, in a 2A district. He would have made that 2A team incredible. Instead, he gets gobbled up and that small school is left with a bare cupboard. The problem is that even though most do not directly recruit, they do get their share of kids that should be going somewhere else. I do not feel sorry for the Catholic schools. I know you use a certain Lake team for your argument, but understand this. Most of the Catholic schools in Illinois have advantages over the public schools. It is not fair to take one example and cry foul. I am sorry this was supposed to have the original thread paragraph as a quote. It probably doesn't make any sense without that. The kid in question...did he attend public schools until high school or did he attend parochial schools for his entire academic career? Because, around here anyways, the VAST majority of kids who attend a parochial high school attended parochial grammar schools, too. Even if the kid did attend public schools until the 8th grade, can you blame him for transferring to a larger school? In Illinois, there is a HUGE difference between farmerball (1A-2A) and the bigger classes...if this kid was any kind of an athlete, I really can't blame his family for sending him to the Catholic school. Now, before any of you guys jump all over me and tell me that I am contradicting myself, let me remind you that I have already conceded in an earlier post that private schools DO have an advantage that comes with open enrollment. I just think that it is wrong that a school gets jacked up two playoff classes because of it and has to play a giant, super-rich suburban school with 1000 more students and all of the advantages one could think of. I think that open enrollment schools should not be moved up more than one class for the playoffs. Like I said earlier, the multiplier was invoked for a very small number of private schools that had been dominant in specific sports. The VAST majority of Catholic schools in Illinois do not have a disproportional amount of state hardware. Just don't like using a sledgehammer... Anyway, I can see that I am clearly in the minority opinion here...kind of what I figured, but that's OK. I appreciate the discussion. Some very good responses and examples stated here.
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Post by tcm57 on Nov 12, 2007 18:25:45 GMT -6
That's ok, 'cat' my son. That will be 5 Our Fathers and 5 Hail Marys and you will be forgiven.
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Post by eickst on Nov 12, 2007 18:39:39 GMT -6
How about not letting the private schools give out scholarships? (or exist, for that matter)
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prossi
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Post by prossi on Nov 12, 2007 22:09:28 GMT -6
Wildcat I respect your opinion and I know the parochial do what they need to to survive. the multiplier in my opinion is a way to keep public and private in the same playoff system because my fear is with out it we would have separate playoffs for each. And maybe some of the greatest high school games wouldn't have happened like JC and RB in the early 2000's with 8000 people watching a game that ended in a 49-48 score, truly one of the best H.S. games I've ever seen. I for one would like to keep our kids in our school. I don't have an issue with a kid who goes parochial all through school but the kids that goes public until 8th grade and all of a sudden his parents find religion and the kid goes. What we've seen is that sometimes those kids play as freshmen and sophomore and then another recruit steps in and that kid is out all of the sudden his not good enough and that kid who would be a stud for us winds up not playing at all. Seen it lots of times. Guess what the job or money goes away then and the parents have too make a tuff call.
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