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Post by rbrown5 on Mar 4, 2015 12:12:00 GMT -6
What would be the best way to teach midline/veer to a 6th grade team?
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Post by coachdoug on Mar 4, 2015 16:51:52 GMT -6
Not sure what you're getting at - maybe you could supply more details. Off the top of my head, I would say you teach it the same way you teach anything - break it down into its component parts then drill each of those parts. So install the blocking with the line then rep it (a lot). Install whatever you want the receivers to do (stalk block? down block?) and rep it. And install the footwork, tracks, and reads for the backfield. I would start with doing this on air first just to get the movements down, then add the read (you may want to pre-call the read initially, but you should have them start practicing the read as soon as possible, as they will need as many reps as possible). Option is not something to dabble in - if you're going to do it, go all in. If you want to be successful, plan to have well over a thousand practice reps before your first game and probably 3-5 thousand over the course of the season, so that means 50-100 reps per practice.
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Post by 33coach on Mar 5, 2015 11:05:24 GMT -6
What would be the best way to teach midline/veer to a 6th grade team? veer is a tough teach at that age. midline, not so much. are you teaching: inside and outside veer? or just one? whats your base personnel group: 30, 20, 21? what alignment are your backs in: wings? split backs? I? all of that factors into how you teach it my first thought, is that don't teach veer, teach belly option (like Nebraska did from their I-option days). at that level your going to get 3 different defenses: 6-2, 5-3, 4-4...all of which are going to be balanced and based around gap pressure...which will make veer tough on your 6th grade QB freaks out that a 2 tech is coming unblocked.... do you have a 6th grade QB who is fearless and in complete control?....if not, run belly & down not veer. |
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Post by coachrobpsl on Mar 6, 2015 18:59:10 GMT -6
Veer and midline as a true triple is tough at any age level. As 33 coach points out you really need a special qb but I would go one further and say you need two special qbs because if one goes down you need someone else who can run your offense. Option football is a funny thing. Generally coaches are either option guys or they are non option guys. If you don't really understand how to install option I wouldn't try it. Not being an option guy though I have no real advice as far as how to install. I just want to point out a few obstacles in case you weren't aware.
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Post by 33coach on Mar 6, 2015 20:23:44 GMT -6
I suggest getting the book "the assembly line" from the OL coach during nebraska's I option days.
Install that. Its not true triple, its better.
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Post by coachjtm on Mar 9, 2015 12:30:57 GMT -6
The other way to do this is to run a check with me system. Not a true triple option. Give the kid one choice (what ever check option you have called) or two options (keep or pitch). Teaching a triple option at that age as mentioned above is really dependent on a quarterback. And truly what you would need to do is develop that quarterback an age bracket lower by installing the same system with the checks and then adding in the third option.
This is done a lot of some of the Wing T or Double Wing guys who might run some zone read. You're not actually giving the QB a choice, you're calling the option from the sideline through a check. You run the play several times in the first series and see however the defenders you're targeting are responding and then run your plays accordingly.
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Post by 33coach on Mar 9, 2015 12:50:37 GMT -6
The other way to do this is to run a check with me system. Not a true triple option. Give the kid one choice (what ever check option you have called) or two options (keep or pitch). Teaching a triple option at that age as mentioned above is really dependent on a quarterback. And truly what you would need to do is develop that quarterback an age bracket lower by installing the same system with the checks and then adding in the third option. This is done a lot of some of the Wing T or Double Wing guys who might run some zone read. You're not actually giving the QB a choice, you're calling the option from the sideline through a check. You run the play several times in the first series and see however the defenders you're targeting are responding and then run your plays accordingly. i love the wing T option stuff, i find it so much cleaner then true veer: belly Option  down option  block the interior and read the edge players...dont make a young kid read a 3 tech hard charger... |
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Post by coachjtm on Mar 9, 2015 14:38:04 GMT -6
The biggest thing on those wing option plays is to make sure you have an athletic guard who can pull play side and seal that edge. A lot of time when first installing an offense you can overlook that. If this is going to be a mainstay in your offense, that guard has to practice that pull every individual period. Practice the first step, the pull and the seal religiously and it's crazy effective. However if you're in a league where the DC's love to put their big athletic kids at DE, you're going to need make sure there is a combo block or a chip on that edge rusher. That will eat up a young option quarterback if they don't have confidence that the edge will be there.
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Post by 33coach on Mar 9, 2015 17:30:02 GMT -6
that's true, anytime you plan on pulling anyone...you gotta rep/rep/rep it, and then rep it some-more. we do a quickfire pull drill teaching the 2 types of pulls we use (lead and kick-out), with 2 hoops every day with 2 pullers, vs 2 defenders (Edge/LB):  |
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Post by coachjtm on Mar 10, 2015 7:48:37 GMT -6
I'm stealing that drill. Too late, it's already done!
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Post by 33coach on Mar 10, 2015 9:34:52 GMT -6
I'm stealing that drill. Too late, it's already done! "something about good artists, vs great artists....". but honestly, that drill is probably one of the best for teaching pullers and can be modified to teach kids veer escapes...etc |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 13:22:26 GMT -6
The easiest way at high school youth ir even college is half line go's. By that i mea. Only use the playside of the line with a 3 tech for midline and give him the choice to attack the dive ir wait fir the qb. At the yth grade level inside veer should be held off on. Wait. Go with more of the tom osboure option look. Dont give your qb to many reads. Hes a 6th grader. Either a double option such as speed lead or midline follow or a designed give with a fake carry out.
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Post by Sparkey on Jan 28, 2016 7:45:14 GMT -6
I suggest getting the book "the assembly line" from the OL coach during nebraska's I option days. Install that. Its not true triple, its better. THE ASSEMBLY LINE by Milt Tenopir |
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Post by 33coach on Jan 28, 2016 10:01:38 GMT -6
I suggest getting the book "the assembly line" from the OL coach during nebraska's I option days. Install that. Its not true triple, its better. THE ASSEMBLY LINE by Milt Tenopir yep |
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 2, 2016 19:47:22 GMT -6
THE ASSEMBLY LINE by Milt Tenopir yep $60 on Amazon. must be a classic. |
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Post by 33coach on Feb 2, 2016 20:11:13 GMT -6
$60 on Amazon. must be a classic. It's probably one of the best OL books I've seen. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 22:02:40 GMT -6
What would be the best way to teach midline/veer to a 6th grade team? You're going to have to keep your playbook very limited to do this at that level, and I recommend avoiding true triple. Think 3-5 runs and maybe 2-3 passes, tops. Practice time will need to be devoted to the option. What type of offense did you want? I recommend I here, since you won't need motion. Motion with kids at that level is a bad idea. Actually, I originally wrote up a big thing based off how to install this at the varsity level, but with a 6th grade team, I've rethought how I'd approach it. Basically, I wouldn't even bother with Midline at that level because so many defenses will just shoot gaps, forcing you to cut down your splits, which constricts the running lanes and really screws Midline up. I'd also be wary about running ISV as a true triple option. It can be done--I've seen it done and coached against a youth team way back in the day who was good at it, but it was tough. Instead, what I'd do would be to start with would be the blocking. I'd base out of the I or split backs with (preferably only 2-3 formations: Pro, Twins, and MAYBE End Over) and there are 3 schemes with 5 types of blocks I'd build the whole offense around: Veer Base (which is just veer blocking with the T and TE basing out) Reach (for toss sweep) The types of blocks for the OL: Base, Scoop, Down, Veer, Reach. Just teach Veer Pass Pro as everybody base blocks with no one climbing to LB. Naked boot is just run blocked. The playbook would be very short: 1. Veer (with called dive and Pitch phase only--QB taught to always look to get upfield and keep first) 2. Base Dive (Veer w/base blocked DE) 3. Cutback Dive (base blocking w/veer action opposite--dive back will stick his foot in the ground and cutback for opposite G) 4. Toss Sweep to just get your fastest kid outrunning everyone to the edge, QB boots away MAYBE a Lead play w/Base blocking w/QB booting away MAYBE a Kickout play w/Veer blocking w/QB booting away MAYBE a QB Follow w/Base blocking if you have a good one you want to make sure gets to run the ball 5. Veer PAP (this could be a simple pop pass or dump pass at this level) 6. Naked Bootleg w/Drag (QB is told to tuck and run if Drag's not Wide Open--run this when BSDE is chasing) And that's it. If you're in the I, put your best all around athlete at QB and best inside runner at FB, since they'll be running it the most, ideally with the next fast kid at TB to run sweep and take pitches. If you're in Split Backs, keep the best all around athlete at QB, but you need a pair of good all around RBs who can run the dives and hopefully block. If only one can run sweep, that's fine. Call the ISV dives based on what the DE is doing. If he's taking the QB, call a dive. If he's taking dive, call the option. Simple. Call the base dive when the PSLB is tackling the QB for less than 4 yards or if you need to give your QB a break. Name your run plays after food ("Oreo" for Option, "Doughnut" for dive, "Burger" for Base Dive, "Taco" for Toss, "Candy" for Cutback, etc.) and your pass plays after sodas (Pepsi and Coke, for example) with a color to tell which way it's going (Red and Blue, Black and White). So a call would be "Pepsi Blue" or "Oreo Black" or whatever--this simple system will allow you to actually check plays at the LOS if you need to, based on the defensive techniques--run Cutback or Base at a 3 tech and Veer at an open B gap. Your backside OL should always just be scooping on runs away and hinging on passes away, so their rule stays consistent if they hear it's going away. Anyway, I hope this stuff helps. |
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Post by newt21 on Feb 3, 2016 7:32:21 GMT -6
Coach, we run the option with 7th and 8th graders, and there is no way under the sun I'd consider running a true triple option with 6th graders, I don't even run a true triple anymore with my 8th graders because it's asking too much of that kid to make 2 correct decisions that quickly. In our playbook, we will read either a dive player or a pitch player, that is all. We install the dive read on the first day because it's a harder read. We also have straight dive calls for the interior when we don't want the QB to read it. For our pitch plays, we will lead with our B back for the QB if we're pitching off force and we will lead with our B back for the pitch back when we pitch off the EMLOS.
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