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Post by miltier on Jan 26, 2015 11:29:38 GMT -6
How much and what am I gaining or losing having linemen in a 2pt stance versus a traditional 3pt stance? Coaching kids 9-12, not everyone is quick off the ball to say the least. Is having them in a two point stance going to allow them to attack the defender first or at least put him in a better spot to block?
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Post by dshanko67 on Jan 26, 2015 13:07:54 GMT -6
IMO getting out of a 3 point stance should get more of a "fire out" technique and should give the blocker more of an advantage to stay low. Players need to rep rep rep those techniques for firing out, proper feet work, etc.
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Post by jrk5150 on Jan 26, 2015 15:32:19 GMT -6
Some kids struggle with the core strength to get out of a 3 point stance, and do better with a nice low 2 point stance.
With those kids, many times they are best served by working on their core strength in practice, but having them go out of a 2 point stance so they can actually perform and execute. Eventually you may be able to get them to work from a 3 point stance.
The catch is, you have to stay on them to stay low even in a 2 point stance. Too easy to get lax on that, and now you're at a disadvantage and not teaching the kid the right techniques.
I'd talk to a guy like Jack Gregory about it. He and Dave Potter have converted a ton of youth coaches to 2 pt stances without giving up player development, aggression or execution.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 1, 2015 11:50:09 GMT -6
How much and what am I gaining or losing having linemen in a 2pt stance versus a traditional 3pt stance? Coaching kids 9-12, not everyone is quick off the ball to say the least. Is having them in a two point stance going to allow them to attack the defender first or at least put him in a better spot to block? at the youth level, i believe that if your OL are in a 2 point stance they will immediately be out leveraged and get too high. i just dont believe they have the ability or mechanical body control to stay low and be in a 2 point stance. |
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Post by jrk5150 on Feb 2, 2015 14:31:07 GMT -6
How much and what am I gaining or losing having linemen in a 2pt stance versus a traditional 3pt stance? Coaching kids 9-12, not everyone is quick off the ball to say the least. Is having them in a two point stance going to allow them to attack the defender first or at least put him in a better spot to block? at the youth level, i believe that if your OL are in a 2 point stance they will immediately be out leveraged and get too high. i just dont believe they have the ability or mechanical body control to stay low and be in a 2 point stance. There are guys doing it who are very successful. Dave Potter and Jack Gregory, to name two. I think Mahonz has done it as well. And there are a number of coaches who moved to 2 pt because of those guys and have had better success since they did it. If you have a kid who can't get into/out of a 3 pt stance, he almost has to be better in a 2 pt. That said - you want to continue to work on their core strength to help them get/stay low, and eventually get into a 3 pt stance. |
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Post by mahonz on Feb 2, 2015 16:55:43 GMT -6
Yes we have used the 2 point stance for 5 seasons now.
Initially we went this route out of necessity. Coaching first graders how to play football....getting them into 3 point stances and maintaining a good alignment across the OL...well....Im not a drinker but during this time I could have easily become an alcoholic. The 2 point fixed everything so we could move on to all of the other things that needed to be addressed.
5 years later we are still at it. Our team will be 6th graders this Fall with no plans on going back to a 3 point stance.
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Post by coachjtm on Mar 10, 2015 7:52:56 GMT -6
You could custom build a chute pretty easily to teach them to stay low. Also getting the board out and teaching power steps helps a ton whether in the 2 or the 3 pt stance. For kids 9-12 I'd bet the power steps would be more important than whether it was a 2 or a 3.
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Post by coachrobpsl on Mar 22, 2015 11:59:50 GMT -6
It is not about teaching them to stay low. You need to get the core strength to be able to stay low first. Most younger youth players do not have the required muscle development to stay low from a 3 pt stance nor do most youth coaches have a preseason training regiment needed to develop these muscles. Doing it during the regular season can be accomplished but it better be done in EDDs that are well designed that incorporate blocking skills. As we all know as oline coaches, we are rarely given the time we need to get what we need to get done. Kids that are forced into a 3 point stance who do not have the proper core strength will ALWAYS stand straight up first because they have no other choice. Once the core strength is developed then you can teach them to fire out low and fast. So to solve this a 2 pt stance can be used. They will be out leveraged by the better trained dlines but they would lose that battle even worse if they cannot fire out from a 3 point stance(because they will stand up first). So my take, for whatever it is worth, do your best to develop core strength so they can succeed from a 3 pt stance. Until then, use a 2 pt stance. A proper 2 pt stance from the oline is really not much higher than a 3 pt. I want chest almost, if not touching, the knees. My issues with the 2 pt have been that the pullers seemed to give away a tell that they were pulling(that of course can be coached out of it) and that if they come up they are REALLY out of position. Chutes can be used the same way as from a 3pt stance to train staying low. Home made pvc chutes are pretty easy to make btw for those that don't have them. I made mine for about $65 worth of materials and it is adjustable(thanks M).
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