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Post by nltdiego on Dec 16, 2014 22:29:21 GMT -6
Coaches,
CA is implementing a new law that changes what most coaches routinely did. We are not allowed to have any sort of contact in the summer. 7 on 7 is still up to debate. We can only have helmets and no pads. This is dilemma for us because we do football work in the summer and contact drills, etc.
So what does your summer look like?
How much is dedicated to weight room, field, etc?
We did 3 hours per day last year and 1.5 hours was football. I really think this was too much football and kids got burnt out.
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Post by wolverine55 on Dec 17, 2014 7:40:13 GMT -6
We met four days a week Monday through Thursday from 9:30 to 11:30. Generally speaking, it was the first hour in the weight room and the second hour on the field. Most of the time, though, it was about 45 minutes on the field due to the weight lifting running over a bit. We were never in pads for these sessions and rarely came together as a whole team. The skill guys were running routes and playing 7 on 7 while the lineman were down on the other side of the field doing indy drills.
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Post by bluboy on Dec 17, 2014 8:05:14 GMT -6
We are the same as woverine55
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Post by nltdiego on Dec 17, 2014 9:02:01 GMT -6
Are all your coaches there?
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 17, 2014 9:31:33 GMT -6
I actually like the rule change for the most part
I think it is just too hard on the kids I'm only 26 and the amount of football over the summer is triple what it was when I played
I think it'll help keep coaches and players from being burnt out
Focus on speed agility and lifting Some non padded no contact drills to work fundamentals and install your O and D
And we can pad up 2x a week beginning 30 days out from season Which will either be last week of July or first of August depending if they define start of season as your first game or your scrimmage. Lots of things up in the air still, open to interpretation and cloudy... We are all supposed to get some clear info on can and can't do activities and timeline from CIF some time in January... Or so says my AD
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Post by IronmanFootball on Dec 17, 2014 9:36:05 GMT -6
We go Mon-Thur 9-11. 30 min on the field, 1 hour in the weight room. We take a break in between when the kids change shirts and shoes and grab water in the AC.
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Post by fantom on Dec 17, 2014 10:49:24 GMT -6
Our rules in Virginia are similar to what you're going to: No pads, no contact but we can work the whole team at just about anything else. We work out Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday from 6-8:30 PM. The first hour and a half is weights and the rest is conditioning and football.
If we wanted to we could have longer workouts five days a week. To hell with that. Once actual practice starts the kids will be working 5 or 6 days a week and it'll be 6 or 7 for the coaches from August to November (December if you're lucky).
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Post by wolverine55 on Dec 17, 2014 10:49:54 GMT -6
Are all your coaches there? We have a staff of 7 and generally speaking, 4 of us could be there each time. One coach was first-year teacher, so he needed to work a summer job and then the other two aren't teachers in the district and couldn't be there in the morning but normally were able to make our 7 on 7s if they were in the evening.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 17, 2014 11:10:40 GMT -6
We meet Monday, Wed and Thursday. 4pm everyday. Lift all three days for 45 minutes to an hour. Monday we go out to the field for basically an offensive or defensive practice. Usually done by 6-630. We rotate offense and defense by the week. Wed and Thursday we're done by 530. Usually lift for 45 minutes and then condition. We are going to get after it a little more conditioning wise this summer, so we'll probably really push that 530.
I think it's too much, but we do far, far less stuff than most programs. I'd rather keep kids around and in halfway decent shape than only have 15 super in shape kids. Our schemes aren't real complex and most of our kids work so less is more IMO.
We usually have 3 coaches there on Wed and Thursday and most of our 7 coaches there on Monday. Sometimes it's only 5 or 6.
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Post by realdawg on Dec 17, 2014 11:30:28 GMT -6
4 days a week. Lift run and practice for about an hour each. 8-11 am. Can't hit each other. This is in NC
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 17, 2014 15:42:17 GMT -6
Just FYI to posters from other states this is a big rule change for some depending on section (CA has I believe 10 or 11 sections)
In our section (NCS) since like 05ish there have been no rules for summer
You could practice in full gear full contact every day if you wanted Other sections had tighter rules
Our section got rid of rules because they got tired of fielding complaints about de la Salle practicing all summer... De la Salle gets away with murder but NCS loves it because they always win so it makes NCS look good and they make NCS a lot of money because they get the playoff money
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 17, 2014 15:57:01 GMT -6
Summer is open season here,kind of . We lift MWF, do speed work some too. TTh we work 7-7, part of that is skill work. No pads/contact, but we can use helmets to prevent head to head collisions. There is no limit to the number of day/length of time you can do this.
We can go 7-7 vs another team(s) for a total of 10 days in the summer. Again there is no time limit, just the number of days. No limit to the number of 7-7 teams you can go against in a single day.
There is a dead period with no contact/practice/weight lifting for a week before the preseason starts.
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Post by racehorse on Dec 17, 2014 18:02:16 GMT -6
In Ohio, we get 10 "camp" days. We can use them as full practices (helmet only) or 7 on 7 competitions. We are allowed to lift and run nearly all we want. No time limits on the number of hours per day.
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Post by atmo10 on Dec 19, 2014 11:42:19 GMT -6
In Texas we can Meet MTWTH and we can have a weight program for them. But we cannot do any football drills or organized practice with coaches present. We can't even coach the 7on7 teams. I'm amazed that some of the things listed that you can do in other states!
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Post by fantom on Dec 19, 2014 12:03:13 GMT -6
In Texas we can Meet MTWTH and we can have a weight program for them. But we cannot do any football drills or organized practice with coaches present. We can't even coach the 7on7 teams. I'm amazed that some of the things listed that you can do in other states! One thing to remember though, is that in many states (Virginia is one) we can't make any offseason stuff mandatory.
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Post by coachkb14 on Dec 19, 2014 12:21:54 GMT -6
We go Tues, Wed, Thurs, in June from 6-8:30 pm. Weights for an hour then drills/conditioning for an hour. End with 30 min of 7 on 7 and Line in indys. In July the state has a mandatory week off for all sports, not just football. After the week off we go Mon-Fri for 2 hours wench day. We Can only have 5 days in pads and must let state know before Memorial Day when those will be. This is in Utah.
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Post by mholst40 on Dec 19, 2014 19:00:08 GMT -6
nltdiegoOur section has always made contact illegal outside of going to a contact camp, so this doesn't change anything we normally do. For the first four weeks of summer, we will have practice/7-on-7/lifting/speed training M-F. During the 2nd half of summer, we just lift and condition. We start school in late July, so we are limited once that starts. Normally, our schedule is this for the first 4 weeks: M - Lift 11-12, Install 12-1, Practice 1-3 Tu - Speed Training 11-12, Install 12-1, Practice 1-3 W - Lift 11-12, Install 12-1, Practice 1-3 Th - 7-on-7 (we travel and go compete against a couple other schools) Our linemen hold a 1-hour practice F - Lift 11-12, Install 12-1, Practice 1-3 We do everything you can without full pads. We can still use sleds and bags, so we don't really feel limited.
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Post by nltdiego on Dec 19, 2014 20:19:39 GMT -6
What does install look like? Film room or field work?
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Post by mholst40 on Dec 19, 2014 21:39:01 GMT -6
nltdiegoInstall is all classroom-based, presentations with film. We will re-install on the field as part of our practice time.
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 20, 2014 12:53:30 GMT -6
Just FYI to posters from other states this is a big rule change for some depending on section (CA has I believe 10 or 11 sections) In our section (NCS) since like 05ish there have been no rules for summer You could practice in full gear full contact every day if you wanted Other sections had tighter rules Our section got rid of rules because they got tired of fielding complaints about de la Salle practicing all summer... De la Salle gets away with murder but NCS loves it because they always win so it makes NCS look good and they make NCS a lot of money because they get the playoff money For comparison, my section (CCS) has never allowed padded practice/scrimmages EXCEPT at camps, which was always vaguely defined. This lead to some programs going to 3-4-5 different team camps, which got expensive, or lead to some poorly run team camps so that teams could get their scrimmage time in before the season. I like it, I'm with coachbdud that the demands on kids during the summer are getting ridiculous and this should help. Get some weights, some speed work, some 7s, that's plenty.
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 21, 2014 9:05:57 GMT -6
8-11:30 M-T.
Weight room/sprints/drills/7on7
Maybe some Friday and Saturday 7on7.
Pads in the summer overrated.
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Post by wolverine55 on Dec 21, 2014 9:15:41 GMT -6
I agree. If I ever become a HC, my team won't do any padded work in the summer even if we're allowed to by state regulations.
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Post by irishdog on Dec 29, 2014 9:06:54 GMT -6
M-T-W-Th from 8am to 9:30am. Weights and light drills for all on Monday. AM weights for all players on Tuesday; drill work for linemen only; 7 on 7 league for skill players from 6pm to 8pm. No weights on Wednesdays; drill work and review only. Thursdays weights and light conditioning. No activities on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. I used to go M-T-Th-F but learned a long time ago to pick my battles, so we no longer go on Fridays during the summer. No gear (not even helmets) in the summer. Our football numbers have increased since implementing this. We get most of the kids to attend (probably 90%). Our coaching staff rotates days and vacations during the summer months. We always have at least three coaches in attendance in the mornings, and two for 7 on 7. I have 7 coaches on my staff.
I've always believed as a coach less is more. If I can't get the kids to get the work done in under 2 hours I'm wasting their time and my coaches' time somewhere.
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Post by s73 on Dec 29, 2014 10:30:47 GMT -6
8-11:30 M-T. Weight room/sprints/drills/7on7 Maybe some Friday and Saturday 7on7. Pads in the summer overrated. I actually like shoulder pads in the summer and hit quite a bit. Pretty physical in the summer actually. We do this b/c we want to see who can hang in terms of upcoming juniors as well as maybe some seniors who maybe couldn't cut it the year before but worked in the off season. To me the summer is evaluation time and in our style of play physicality is important. I especially like being a bit more physical in the summer than maybe most b/c our kids have a ton of time to heal up before the season starts. This is where we differ. Where I think we are similar is that once we hit the season and I think it has been established that our kids understand "what it takes" to play varsity football, then we scale back a ton. Usually by about the 3rd to 5th week (old school guys get ready to clutch your chests, lol) we actually rarely go more than shoulder pads and helmets anymore. I think this is about the time that we need to start worrying about being healthy and it also seems to lessen "the grind" of the season for the kids. I find that this has actually helped us be more physical on Friday nights b/c our kids seem to feel better. Not as banged up through the week. Different strokes I guess. I can see it both ways. We are a smaller school so I would rather get the physical work in early so we can evaluate early on and then stay healthy during game weeks.
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Post by irishdog on Dec 29, 2014 15:30:33 GMT -6
We will do most of our live hitting, physical drills early (August practices and the first week of September). No pads or contact during the summer. By the time we reach game week 3 we have our kids turn in their practice pants. From then on it's uppers only (they wear their girdle pads under their shorts). A lot of strength training, work against bags, and a lot of sled work. Our practice injury percentage has decreased significantly.
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Post by Coach V on Dec 29, 2014 17:37:57 GMT -6
I'm in California too (NS) we have only been allowed 10 days of contact. We do a 5 day full contact camp, 7 on 7 June & July. Lineman workouts 3 X a week. Once we get into August it's full go. Just read the release from the NS commissioner on this rule. Seems pretty cut n dry on Zero contact camps. However didn't see anything with coach - player contact or 7 on 7.
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Post by buck42 on Dec 29, 2014 21:22:12 GMT -6
I'm in NC...we go Monday through Thursday. Due to our kids and parents usually working until about 530pm we have workouts from 530-830pm. We usually start on the track to warm up and condition, weights and core, the we practice.
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Post by carookie on Dec 29, 2014 21:35:28 GMT -6
Most places Ive been at have been similar to others, M-f 1 hr wt room or running; then a couple days a week an hr on the field. No more than 8-10 hours a week.
Last year, our head coach had the kids going on average 20 hours a week in the summer. It was asinine and blew way past getting positive returns, most of the time spent was wasted and as a coach I found it insulting (not that I put in the hours, I am used to that; but that I was forced to be so inefficient. If it takes you 20 hours a week in the summer you are not coaching right).
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Post by nltdiego on Dec 29, 2014 22:52:42 GMT -6
What about guys with summer school in morning?
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Post by irishdog on Dec 30, 2014 7:53:01 GMT -6
What about guys with summer school in morning? I am very diligent when it comes to academic achievement. I only have one other on-campus coach and he is my academic coordinator. He and I (I'm also the Dean of Students) manage our players' academic performance. As a result we have very few (if any) kids who need summer school, or choose to attend summer school. Also…working in a small Catholic school definitely has its upside.
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