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Post by coachirish on Dec 13, 2014 10:30:54 GMT -6
I would appreciate it to hear what you consider excused and unexcused absences for your players.
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Post by blb on Dec 13, 2014 11:47:51 GMT -6
Excused is church or school obligations, family emergency, and illness.
Unexcused is everything else.
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Post by coachphillip on Dec 14, 2014 9:51:06 GMT -6
We just started penalizing every absence. It's tough for them to accept at first, but eventually it becomes widely accepted. They can't get mad if everyone runs, no matter what. Just make sure you NEVER bend on it.
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Post by moon on Dec 14, 2014 10:17:52 GMT -6
We do as coachphillip does, run them for any absence.
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Post by coach2013 on Dec 14, 2014 10:30:33 GMT -6
Parents note/docs note/teacher or admin note/trainers note= excused
no note? = unexcused
I do think the best policy is to say "you must make up conditioning for all absences" "you have twice as much for unexcused"
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Post by leighroy353 on Dec 15, 2014 3:26:04 GMT -6
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Post by olcoach53 on Dec 15, 2014 6:11:04 GMT -6
We run them for everything as well. If it is unexcused they do not play or they turn their gear in.
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Post by mhcoach on Dec 15, 2014 6:50:03 GMT -6
Excused= Death in the family, Court order, by trainer's leave or School ordered.
Unexcused= anything else, no note or anything else is a viable reason.
If they are sick & out of school they still have to report to our trainers to be excused. There are no valid reason's to miss practice. Our Player's Contract & Parent's Contract clearly outlines this.
Joe
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Post by kwc82 on Dec 15, 2014 13:28:13 GMT -6
We just started penalizing every absence. It's tough for them to accept at first, but eventually it becomes widely accepted. They can't get mad if everyone runs, no matter what. Just make sure you NEVER bend on it. That is exactly the policy we adopted. No more deciding what was excused or unexcused. Everything is an absence, period. The boys learn to accept it and learn that is the rule. They actually seem to appreciate the universal consistency. |
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Post by Coach Bennett on Dec 16, 2014 12:08:37 GMT -6
What does your school consider excused or unexcused? That's what we follow.
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Post by coacht2210 on Dec 16, 2014 14:22:51 GMT -6
Very hard to classify excused / unexcused. have seen parents lie on behalf of their kids, etc... we have a simple policy. if you are not at practice you dont start. the player who IS at practice and who takes the reps during the week deserves the opportunity to start.
more of a rewarding the players who do show up vs punishing those who dont
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 16, 2014 20:20:01 GMT -6
I tell the parents like this, if your son missed math class on Wednesday and/or Thursday you would have a fit if the teacher tried to test him on Friday!
Football is the same way, can't miss the lesson and expect to test on Friday.
(I know this is not true 100% of the time, but it is 90%)
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Post by Coach Bennett on Dec 17, 2014 8:11:16 GMT -6
I tell the parents like this, if your son missed math class on Wednesday and/or Thursday you would have a fit if the teacher tried to test him on Friday! Football is the same way, can't miss the lesson and expect to test on Friday. (I know this is not true 100% of the time, but it is 90%) Just a hypothetical here but what if your captain, who attends everything under the sun, has beyond a firm grasp of his assignments and how they relate to the rest of the positions, heads to a college visit on a Thursday...he's not playing for you on Friday night/Saturday? |
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Post by coachg13 on Dec 17, 2014 8:32:55 GMT -6
Our rule is he wouldn't start - not as a punishment, but simply for the fact that someone who was there for every practice is more prepared to play that week than the normal starter. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 18, 2014 20:29:08 GMT -6
I tell the parents like this, if your son missed math class on Wednesday and/or Thursday you would have a fit if the teacher tried to test him on Friday! Football is the same way, can't miss the lesson and expect to test on Friday. (I know this is not true 100% of the time, but it is 90%) Just a hypothetical here but what if your captain, who attends everything under the sun, has beyond a firm grasp of his assignments and how they relate to the rest of the positions, heads to a college visit on a Thursday...he's not playing for you on Friday night/Saturday? No, and I understand where and why he was there. Tweaks happen on Thursday's 2. I didn't say he wouldn't play, but he most likely would not start, unless this was something planned way in advance prior to the season, yadda, yadda, yadda, not just some let me visit this college on a Thursday. |
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Post by nhs40 on Dec 19, 2014 10:24:38 GMT -6
Excused absences are anything where you have an "official" note: doctor, dentist, orthodontist, funeral, etc.----NOT note from mom/dad. Excused absences still require running to make up conditioning, unexcused absences require running and not starting for first offense, no play for 1/4 (minimum) for 2nd, no play for 1/2 for 3rd, and turn in gear for 4th. Running doubles each time for a miss as well. After first excused absence (don't start), so 2nd excused absence sit for 1/4, then 1/2, then turn in gear. Ends up being one step difference between the two (with regards to "make-up").
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Post by dbcoach19 on Dec 21, 2014 14:41:58 GMT -6
We use to pretty much believe the parents if they called in or explained to a coach why their son missed practice. But now it seems like the parents are worse than the kids with making excuses. A real illness, death in family, or any type of serious personal issue we consider excused. Everything else is unexcused. If we go a while without any issues and a kid misses unexcused, he will run/lose playing time/etc. If it becomes more of a normal occurrence we will have the team run. As the season goes on usually its the same suspects who will miss. At that point we tell the kid and the parents he's either going to make every practice or he's off the team. I would say in the last 4 years we've had around 8 kids this has happened with (always freshman or first year guys) and only 2 have been cut for missing again. In both instances they came back the next season and there was no longer an issue. In my opinion most kids that miss often are not held accountable at home and it's hard to break that habit if the parents don't think it's a problem.
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Post by s73 on Dec 21, 2014 17:31:28 GMT -6
We are much like the above. We want a Dr.'s note or if it's something the kid told me well in advance.
One thing I would like to add that has made a difference for us is that if you are going to miss a practice you must also come see a coach in person whenever possible. This has cut down on a lot of the "bench warmers" going home "sick" at the end of the day.
In the past some of these kids would be in school & then go home "sick" & send a text or have a teammate say "so and so wanted me tell you he's sick" or he had a project to work on or what have you. That is unexcused. Even if he saw the nurse, & she excused him, b/c he did not come and tell me. To me this common courtousy. We also implemented the rule that if you can finish the school day then you can practice. I tell them nothing better for your immune system then some fresh air and exercise.
We do this b/c IMO if the kid is unwilling to see you to tell you why he can't make it then the chances are the reason is not very good or untruthful. JMO.
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Post by oriolepower on Dec 22, 2014 14:01:41 GMT -6
I tell our team it is never OK to miss football.
I also tell them I understand if they have to miss because I'm an understanding person. I further explain just because I understand doesn't it is OK. Why? Because it is never OK to miss football.
If a student has to miss because of some of the above mentioned things: Doctor, court, death in family, etc. There may not be a penalty. I always require they call me or parents call me.
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Post by irishdog on Dec 22, 2014 14:47:37 GMT -6
I'm as old school as they come. Been at it for 40 years now. Nowadays you just can't get away with what we could 20 years ago. We're dealing with a different breed of cat (both players AND parents!). You have to find the right approach for the environment you're in. It's part of being a coach today. It was that way even back then, but not anywhere near the scope it is today.
In the old days it was Army discipline. Why? Because most of us were brought up by dads, and coaches, who were in the military. That approach was accepted by most.
Society has changed since those days. Now…you not only have to be the coach, but you also have to the parent in many cases. You also have to be the brother, the minister, and even the dang psychiatrist! Not to mention learn how to be politically savvy.
But if there is one thing I have learned over the years…it is how to CARE for your kids. If you can show them you truly CARE for them, they will will not only CARE for you, they will TRUST you. Once you have that CARE and TRUST, they will jump through fire for you.
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Post by coachphillip on Dec 25, 2014 10:24:08 GMT -6
Just also adding, whatever attendance policy you have the kids adhere to, your coaches better be expected to be there just like the kids. One of my JV assistants took his player to task for not being at a practice, when I casually pointed out that "any assistant coach who misses a film session because his girlfriend surprises him with Beyoncé tickets, has no business telling players what is a permissible reason for missing a practice." JV guys ...
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Post by jsk002 on Dec 25, 2014 22:16:35 GMT -6
I'm as old school as they come. Been at it for 40 years now. Nowadays you just can't get away with what we could 20 years ago. We're dealing with a different breed of cat (both players AND parents!). You have to find the right approach for the environment you're in. It's part of being a coach today. It was that way even back then, but not anywhere near the scope it is today. In the old days it was Army discipline. Why? Because most of us were brought up by dads, and coaches, who were in the military. That approach was accepted by most. Society has changed since those days. Now…you not only have to be the coach, but you also have to the parent in many cases. You also have to be the brother, the minister, and even the dang psychiatrist! Not to mention learn how to be politically savvy. But if there is one thing I have learned over the years…it is how to CARE for your kids. If you can show them you truly CARE for them, they will will not only CARE for you, they will TRUST you. Once you have that CARE and TRUST, they will jump through fire for you. Perfect |
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Post by coach2013 on Dec 27, 2014 13:15:52 GMT -6
When you are first installing offense/defense/specials and first teaching how you want kids playing/techniques, those missed practices are infuriating.
I have learned that after 3 years in the same system, one missed practice here or there isn't a huge deal for the well coached and prepared player.
That said, kills me when an individual misses chunks of the game plan.
missed practices are going to happen. we keep things simple because of it. we also practice 6 days a week, 3 hours each time to make up for the misses. we have roughly 75 practices a season prior to playoffs.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Dec 29, 2014 9:34:33 GMT -6
I tell our kids that we're going to treat them like adults. Most working folks get at least one sick/excused day. Same for our athletes.
After that, they may play but they're not going to start.
If further absences are considered unexcused according to our district policy, the consequences will be appropriate to the player and situation.
I try to limit concrete consequences of "if...then" because there as so many gray areas.
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Post by blb on Dec 29, 2014 9:48:46 GMT -6
I believe one of the important things kids can learn from playing HS football is how to make and follow through on a commitment.
So our kids know the fastest way to get in my doghouse is be late or miss anything except for a VERY good reason (see my earlier post this thread). If there isn't an acceptable reason, there will be consequences.
My time is no more important than theirs, but the reverse is also true (goes for assistants as well).
If a kid is consistently unexcused absent ('Three strikes and you're out'), what I hear him saying is, "Coach, I don't want to play football for our HS," and so I will oblige him.
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Post by jg78 on Dec 29, 2014 10:17:30 GMT -6
Mind posting a copy of your contracts?
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Post by mhcoach on Dec 29, 2014 10:53:11 GMT -6
JG
Someone else asked too. Unfortunately it's on the HC'c computer & we don't return to school until Jan.6th.
Joe
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Post by natenator on Dec 29, 2014 13:56:19 GMT -6
When you are first installing offense/defense/specials and first teaching how you want kids playing/techniques, those missed practices are infuriating. I have learned that after 3 years in the same system, one missed practice here or there isn't a huge deal for the well coached and prepared player. That said, kills me when an individual misses chunks of the game plan. missed practices are going to happen. we keep things simple because of it. we also practice 6 days a week, 3 hours each time to make up for the misses. we have roughly 75 practices a season prior to playoffs. Don't you think 225 hours of practice in 3 months is a little much for high school football? Seems like a lot. |
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Post by coach2013 on Dec 29, 2014 14:06:05 GMT -6
When you are first installing offense/defense/specials and first teaching how you want kids playing/techniques, those missed practices are infuriating. I have learned that after 3 years in the same system, one missed practice here or there isn't a huge deal for the well coached and prepared player. That said, kills me when an individual misses chunks of the game plan. missed practices are going to happen. we keep things simple because of it. we also practice 6 days a week, 3 hours each time to make up for the misses. we have roughly 75 practices a season prior to playoffs. Don't you think 225 hours of practice in 3 months is a little much for high school football? Seems like a lot. Our philosophy Is that we are going to get our 2 solid hours of practice every day, even if it takes us three hours to do it. we also lift for an hour of that 3 hour block. (3-4 days a week) and some of that is film session time and meeting time.
But to answer your question, NO....its not too much to ask. 2:30-5:30 pm practices.
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Post by coachweav88 on Jan 1, 2015 8:18:54 GMT -6
Excused is church or school obligations, family emergency, and illness. Unexcused is everything else. Coach, do they have to let you know ahead of time to count as excused? |
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