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Post by fantom on Oct 13, 2014 12:24:40 GMT -6
This statement was made in the Middle School thread: >>>Is that varsity head coach REALLY going to be around 8 years? Possibly not...so unless you have one of these coaches who stays for 10+ years...it doesnt matter what O/D your youth teams learn, because its probably going to be different by the time they are 11/12 grade. Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/66270/middle-school-football?page=1#ixzz3G3ACPZTD<<<A HC staying for 8 years doesn't seem to be that unusual to me. it seems that successful coaches don't leave very often so I looked at the schools in our league: School 1 (us)- 3rd year 2. 40 years 3. 2nd year but he's an alum who played for a HC who was there for 20+ years and runs the same system. 3. 2nd year (Replaced a HC who was injured during a game) 4. 20 years 5. 5 years 6. 10 years 7. 5 years 8. 2nd year 9. 2nd year 10. 1st year (4th HC in 3 years) I should mention that we're big schools in an urban (but not inner city) area. I've been here since 1977 and do nt recall a successful HC leaving for another HS job. How is it in your league?
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Post by realdawg on Oct 13, 2014 12:43:40 GMT -6
Us-1st year. Before him 5 yrs. before him 24 yrs. I have worked for all 3. Been here as an asst 14 yrs 1-3rd year 2-1st year 3-5th year 4-7th year 5-1st year 6-6th year 7-5th year 8-1st year 9-5th year 10-8th year at least. Maybe more. Can't remember.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Oct 13, 2014 12:44:51 GMT -6
In our league:
1- 2 years 2- 6 years 3- 1 year 4- 4 years 5- 1 year (took over for a coach who'd been there for 25ish years) 6- 2 years 7- 2 years (took over for a coach who'd been there 8 years). 8- 1 year (took over for a coach who'd been there for 9 years
Us: HC has been here 4 years
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Post by gibbs72 on Oct 13, 2014 13:49:10 GMT -6
Our league: 1) Us ==> 8 years 2) 1st year 3) 10+ years 4) 7 years 5) 25 years 6) 1st year 7) 4th year 8) 1st year
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 13, 2014 14:18:27 GMT -6
I think the question is how long does a regime stay with continuity. You might change head guys, but if it's the OC taking over and you keep 90% of the staff year to year, it's not really a change. I think the average gets dragged down by schools that burn through HCs like kleenex, so the median would be better. I still think most teams would not consistently have regimes lasting more than 8 years. We have to remember that coaches on here are the ones working to get better, so they would tend to last longer.
Also, how does an HC get a career-ending injury on the sidelines?
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Post by bluboy on Oct 13, 2014 15:40:57 GMT -6
The HC at the school I'm at has been there for 38 years; 7 as an assistant and the remainder as the HC.
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 13, 2014 17:24:48 GMT -6
I coach at my Alma Mater. Our Head Coach as been the HC for 20 years and with the program for about 30. I'm the young guy of the staff...this is my 9th year with them. The next up the totem pole started in 1997, the next 1996, after that, they all have been there since the mid 80's or earlier.
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Post by fantom on Oct 13, 2014 18:13:40 GMT -6
Also, how does an HC get a career-ending injury on the sidelines? Got wiped out on the sideline, twice.
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Post by coachwilcox on Oct 13, 2014 18:46:01 GMT -6
Our Region: Me- 1 year 2.) 37 Years 3.) 12 Years 4.) 4 Years 5.) 2 Years 6.) 5 Years 7.) 2 Years
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Post by mc140 on Oct 13, 2014 21:34:27 GMT -6
There is only one head coach in our conference who hasn't changed in Twelve years of coaching and that is including another sport.
I think a big part of it is in Illinois teacher salaries are so high it is easy to give up. Especially if you go into administration.
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Post by carookie on Oct 13, 2014 22:46:23 GMT -6
Our League
Us- 2 yrs A- 8 yrs B- 1st yr C- 3 yrs D- 4 yrs E- 1st yr
We're one of the smaller school leagues in a large population area, so maybe that plays a role
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Post by 33coach on Oct 13, 2014 22:52:12 GMT -6
This statement was made in the Middle School thread: >>>Is that varsity head coach REALLY going to be around 8 years? Possibly not...so unless you have one of these coaches who stays for 10+ years...it doesnt matter what O/D your youth teams learn, because its probably going to be different by the time they are 11/12 grade. Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/66270/middle-school-football?page=1#ixzz3G3ACPZTD<<<A HC staying for 8 years doesn't seem to be that unusual to me. it seems that successful coaches don't leave very often so I looked at the schools in our league: School 1 (us)- 3rd year 2. 40 years 3. 2nd year but he's an alum who played for a HC who was there for 20+ years and runs the same system. 3. 2nd year (Replaced a HC who was injured during a game) 4. 20 years 5. 5 years 6. 10 years 7. 5 years 8. 2nd year 9. 2nd year 10. 1st year (4th HC in 3 years) I should mention that we're big schools in an urban (but not inner city) area. I've been here since 1977 and do nt recall a successful HC leaving for another HS job. How is it in your league? As it was i who said it i will qualify it. In our area. HCs get traded around like baseball cards. Its not uncommon to see a school with 2-3 HCs in 5 years. It looks like many others are in the same boat. Sent from my VS980 4G using proboards
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Post by creid on Oct 13, 2014 22:55:51 GMT -6
team 1 - 18 years 46th overall team 2 - 6 years 15th overall team 3 - 28 years team 4 - 8 years 10th overall team 5 - 3 years 17th overall team 6 - 1 year team 7 - 7 years team 8 - 2 years
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Post by gibbs72 on Oct 14, 2014 7:02:11 GMT -6
I coach at my Alma Mater. Our Head Coach as been the HC for 20 years and with the program for about 30. I'm the young guy of the staff...this is my 9th year with them. The next up the totem pole started in 1997, the next 1996, after that, they all have been there since the mid 80's or earlier. Wow! That has the be in the 1% of all football programs!
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 14, 2014 10:52:41 GMT -6
Me- 5th year (replaced a guy who was here for 25 years and he replaced a guy who was here 15- we've had 3 coaches in 45 years) 1- 10th year 2- 8th year 3- 4th year 4- 2nd year 5- 1st year- small Lutheran school that started football 3 years ago
We're very small school rural football (outside the Lutheran school) and guys move on more frequently than other places.
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Post by blb on Oct 14, 2014 11:00:12 GMT -6
I am in my fifth year at school and second (tied) in longevity in our league. One coach is in his ninth year.
None of the coaches who have left their positions last five years moved up. A couple retired.
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Post by gdn56 on Oct 14, 2014 12:07:05 GMT -6
Love this thread! In our region: Us: 4 Years 2. 2 Years 3. 4 Years 4. 1 Year 5. 2 Years 6. 5 Years 7. 4 Years
Since 2005 these schools have collectively averaged 3.7 head coaches. Crazy!!
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Post by fantom on Oct 14, 2014 12:13:48 GMT -6
A question for the guys from areas where HC's frequently change: Are these small schools? I probably should have asked for coaches to include the size of their schools.
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Post by Underdeveloped on Oct 14, 2014 12:18:31 GMT -6
1. Me-6th year 2. 10+ 3. 4th year 4. 10+ 5. 6th year 6. 4th year 7. 3rd year (guy before was 8 years at this school and took a local big job) took a 0 win team to conf champs in 2 years 8. 2nd year (his predecessor was 30+ years and this guy was on staff)
My comment about people worried about if a HC is gonna be around in 8 years would be this: "it is not worth trying to predict, but if we are more supportive of him and the program it could only help his chances"
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Post by gdn56 on Oct 14, 2014 12:26:02 GMT -6
A question for the guys from areas where HC's frequently change: Are these small schools? I probably should have asked for coaches to include the size of their schools. We are 3A. In AL there are 7 classifications, though 7A is half the size of all others, so we are basically middle of the pack as far as size. Once I read your question about school size I decided to look at one of the 7A regions to see how many coaching changes they have experienced. In that particular region, the longest-tenured coach is at 11 years, shortest has been there one. Schools have averages 3 HC's since 2005: 1. 11 Years 2. 10 years 3. 4 years 4. 3 years 5. 2 years 6. 2 years 7. 1 year 8. 1 year I can't speak for other parts of the country, but I think this is a cultural issue in Alabama. Entire athletic departments are judged by football success and people around here are pretty obsessive about football. You just have a short leash here now. Win early, win often and you will be fine. Otherwise...dust off the resume!
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Post by 44dlcoach on Oct 14, 2014 19:20:50 GMT -6
We are in the highest classification in our state. Our league goes like this:
Us: 14 years (HC was an assistant for 5-6 years before that) Team A: 5 years (replaced a guy who was there for 30+ years, HOF coach) Team B: 12 years Team C: First year (replaced a guy who got fired after 3 years and 1 win, who replaced a 1 year interim coach. Before that they had the same coach for about 20 years.) Team D: First year (replaced a 5 year guy) Team E: First year (replaced an 8 year guy who moved to another state to take a job in their highest classification.)
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 14, 2014 19:36:06 GMT -6
Us: 1st year. Team 2: new school 2nd year Team 3: 4th year Team 4: 1st year Team 5: first year Team 6: 5th year Team 7: 3rd year
Not a ton of stability in our conference, and the teams are all pretty decent.
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Post by coachdawhip on Oct 14, 2014 21:04:19 GMT -6
6 schools 1. Me - 2 years 2. School 1 - 8 years (Only HC at school, is at retirement age) 3. School 2 (My Alma Mater) Made the playoffs last when I was there in 1997 (2 years) 4. School 3 - 3 years coming off 14-1 season 5. School 4 - 1st year (Has DC, HC retired) 6. School 5 - 3rd year
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Post by olinedude on Oct 23, 2014 14:15:55 GMT -6
If the middle school coaches have that attitude and don't ever change, thats probably one of the top reasons why the HC's change. If my kids were coming in as freshman still mentally 7th graders, I think I'd looking for a place where I can go build a program somewhere else.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 23, 2014 18:38:39 GMT -6
If the middle school coaches have that attitude and don't ever change, thats probably one of the top reasons why the HC's change. If my kids were coming in as freshman still mentally 7th graders, I think I'd looking for a place where I can go build a program somewhere else. as a MS coach, why do you assume that 1 has to do with the other? i will run my systems, and my program as i see fit (unless of course, im in a program where i am paid by the HS program to run the MS Program... but i havnt encountered that yet.) ...but that doesnt mean my kids will be mentally unprepared or somehow hindered......
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Post by dubber on Oct 23, 2014 20:04:32 GMT -6
Very interesting question......
Team 1: Year 5 Team 2: Year 3 Team 3: Year 1 Team 4: Year 1 Team 5: Year 9 Team 6: Year 3 Team 7: Year 4 Team 8: Year 1
Us: Year 8, but our staff has had continuity for about 15 years now.
Oddly, when I played at this school, there were a ton of 20+ year coaches.......something like 4 out of 8.
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Post by olinedude on Oct 24, 2014 16:02:09 GMT -6
If the middle school coaches have that attitude and don't ever change, thats probably one of the top reasons why the HC's change. If my kids were coming in as freshman still mentally 7th graders, I think I'd looking for a place where I can go build a program somewhere else. as a MS coach, why do you assume that 1 has to do with the other? i will run my systems, and my program as i see fit (unless of course, im in a program where i am paid by the HS program to run the MS Program... but i havnt encountered that yet.) ...but that doesnt mean my kids will be mentally unprepared or somehow hindered...... I have nothing against middle school coaches at all, I started there and we had some good coaches. I don't know what state you guys coach in, but in Texas the middle schools are expected to run the same offense and defense, use the same terminology, and keep the system the same for the kids. If you have a solid middle school staff in line with what the high school does, by the time the kids get to high school they wind up having 6 years of development in the exact same system. On the other hand I've been at a school where the middle school coaches don't do anything the same, and when the kids get to the high school they don't know any of the terminology and they are essentially 7th graders. The kids got to us and didn't know our terminology, any formations, any plays, any motions, any calls, centers had been under center and never snapped in gun before, and when you have to start from square 1 with freshmen it is very hard to get them up to par by the time they are soph. & juniors.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 24, 2014 17:43:30 GMT -6
as a MS coach, why do you assume that 1 has to do with the other? i will run my systems, and my program as i see fit (unless of course, im in a program where i am paid by the HS program to run the MS Program... but i havnt encountered that yet.) ...but that doesnt mean my kids will be mentally unprepared or somehow hindered...... I have nothing against middle school coaches at all, I started there and we had some good coaches. I don't know what state you guys coach in, but in Texas the middle schools are expected to run the same offense and defense, use the same terminology, and keep the system the same for the kids. If you have a solid middle school staff in line with what the high school does, by the time the kids get to high school they wind up having 6 years of development in the exact same system. On the other hand I've been at a school where the middle school coaches don't do anything the same, and when the kids get to the high school they don't know any of the terminology and they are essentially 7th graders. The kids got to us and didn't know our terminology, any formations, any plays, any motions, any calls, centers had been under center and never snapped in gun before, and when you have to start from square 1 with freshmen it is very hard to get them up to par by the time they are soph. & juniors. I coach in Cali and our situation is a little unique, we feed 3 High Schools (2 public, 1 private). and we are 100% independent from the HS's. if a HS header wants me to run his stuff i have a few requirements: 1) bring me on as a staff member, (ie access to all film, practice plans, playbooks, meetings, camps, clinics, and on headset during games.) 2) help me build an assistant staff that is familiar with said systems too often i get a new HC in our area who just drops a playbook off on my desk and says "this is what we are running, this is what we want you to run..... good luck". if they cant do those two simple things...then i'm going to work my systems with my staff and be successful. and when my kids get to HS they will know how to block, tackle, pursue, they will have a good work ethic, and love the game.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 25, 2014 9:02:12 GMT -6
as a MS coach, why do you assume that 1 has to do with the other? i will run my systems, and my program as i see fit (unless of course, im in a program where i am paid by the HS program to run the MS Program... but i havnt encountered that yet.) ...but that doesnt mean my kids will be mentally unprepared or somehow hindered...... I have nothing against middle school coaches at all, I started there and we had some good coaches. I don't know what state you guys coach in, but in Texas the middle schools are expected to run the same offense and defense, use the same terminology, and keep the system the same for the kids. If you have a solid middle school staff in line with what the high school does, by the time the kids get to high school they wind up having 6 years of development in the exact same system. On the other hand I've been at a school where the middle school coaches don't do anything the same, and when the kids get to the high school they don't know any of the terminology and they are essentially 7th graders. The kids got to us and didn't know our terminology, any formations, any plays, any motions, any calls, centers had been under center and never snapped in gun before, and when you have to start from square 1 with freshmen it is very hard to get them up to par by the time they are soph. & juniors. Also from what people are saying, most HCs dont stick around for 6+ years...so it doesnt matter, because by the time they are juniors or seniors, its possible they will be running something else anyway....the days of the dynasty coaches seems to be over. Sent from my VS980 4G using proboards
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 25, 2014 9:18:29 GMT -6
Because people in my generation (I'm 28) want it all and are always looking for the next big thing. Make the big time where you're at!
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