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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 12:29:18 GMT -6
First series of a JV game with ball on our 1 yard line. The OC goes for it and the DC runs down and yells what heck are you doing? The OC says its your job to stop them! I worked for a guy who treated offense like that... One other gem from him... "You're a small LB. You need to go around blocks and avoid contact. Don't let them hit you!"--said to ALL of our LBs. Did I mention this guy was the HC, DC, LB Coach, and a former college LB who had a year of "college experience" as a student assistant? I should. I am not going to miss working for that guy.
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Post by fantom on Jun 28, 2014 12:30:30 GMT -6
If you watch college or NFL LB's, they don't take a read step in pass situations. They also are physical freaks that can adapt to a play at breakneck speeds compared to a small school HS football player. And the league they play in is what? A 60%+ passing league now? Why take a read step when your initial first step should be to pass drop? I just don't understand why I should teach or allow something for "special situations" in a 7on7 that we'll probably see at most 5 times a game. I don't do 7on7s to look good in them or even to win them. I go to them to rep the things that will help us win in the fall. Abandoning our basics so we can win a garbage 7on7 or to prevent us from "getting embarrassed" are not going to help us achieve that goal. You want to bail your LBs so you can cover someone in June and July? Feel free. It's your team. But you won't be able to sell me that it isn't a dumb idea for the level and style of ball that we or the team we were playing that night will see 90% of the season. Not everybody coaches in your league. In some of ours they throw more than five times a game.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 28, 2014 13:49:22 GMT -6
I really don't understand the difficulty in this read step discussion. If your team is going to read linemen, then basically at a 7 on 7 you are going to tell them one of two things in my mind. Either, a) imagine that the guy you would be reading gives you a pass read, while you make your read steps, then get into your pass responsibility, or, b) imagine that this is an obvious passing situation, and get to your pass responsibility immediately on the snap.
I would hope that our defense is going to put the other team in an obvious passing situation several times per game, and that practicing those conditions in the summer would have some carryover to the season.
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Post by loop21572 on Jun 28, 2014 14:18:51 GMT -6
Here are my thoughts on the whole read step thing seeing I was the first comment on it. We don't treat every play as a 3rd and super long. We treat it as an every down situation. could be 1 and 10, 3rd and 3 or anything else. Not every team is going to throw the ball on 3rd and 8, so we need to be able take steps and read the play. The 7 on 7s we do are not games. It's controlled number of plays regardless of outcome. Some move the ball. Some don't. Plenty of teams practice their play action. Some don't. But in the end you get 10 straight plays regardless of outcome and flip sides a couple of times. So this is why we take read steps every play, and also why I don't have my kids play straight drop back every play.
Maybe 3 snaps or so we will play it like it has to be a pass. Other than that, play like you read it.
And yes, I do see why some don't bother with them. Different strokes and all.
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Post by flyinghelmet on Jul 2, 2014 17:15:21 GMT -6
Almost had a serious confrontation with another (much older) coach. One of my kids, a senior offensive linemen no less, had injured his quad or hamstring and was limping pretty badly. However, he didn't complain and tried to play through it until I pulled him out.
Said coach called him a liar and a coward. I was beyond pissed. I ahd always been taught to never get personal with a player. They are 14-18 year old children for the most part, kids are weird to begin with.
Unfortunately I was only a first year coach so I fumed silently and asked my HC to not let him speak to any of my kids ever again. He didn't thankfully.
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Post by s73 on Jul 2, 2014 18:38:14 GMT -6
This just happened last week. Really a massive faux pas rather than a terrible coaching point.
We were introducing our defense as we do every year in the summer and going through how all of our run fits work. I do it the same every year. So, let's take last year for example. Last year I tell Mincie (OLB) that it's his job to force the ball back inside to the ILB's and if they do their jobs then the ball carrier should get a face full of Philips (ILB's last name).
Fast forward to this year - Hansen, it's your job to force the ball back inside and if our ILB's do their jobs then the ball carrier should get a face full of Bush.....That's right one of my ILB's names is Bush. Should have probably thought that one through a little better.
Needless to say our team lost some focus for awhile. The coaches were worse than the players.
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Post by doublewing on Jul 2, 2014 18:48:11 GMT -6
The worst guys to work for are usually the "I, I, I guys" All you have to do is listen to them talk The ones that constantly use I did this, I did that, instead of WE are guys you have to watch out for
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 2, 2014 19:05:13 GMT -6
This just happened last week. Really a massive faux pas rather than a terrible coaching point. We were introducing our defense as we do every year in the summer and going through how all of our run fits work. I do it the same every year. So, let's take last year for example. Last year I tell Mincie (OLB) that it's his job to force the ball back inside to the ILB's and if they do their jobs then the ball carrier should get a face full of Philips (ILB's last name). Fast forward to this year - Hansen, it's your job to force the ball back inside and if our ILB's do their jobs then the ball carrier should get a face full of Bush.....That's right one of my ILB's names is Bush. Should have probably thought that one through a little better. Needless to say our team lost some focus for awhile. The coaches were worse than the players. Did anybody service your Bush though?
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Post by coachwilcox on Jul 2, 2014 19:36:42 GMT -6
Almost had a serious confrontation with another (much older) coach. One of my kids, a senior offensive linemen no less, had injured his quad or hamstring and was limping pretty badly. However, he didn't complain and tried to play through it until I pulled him out. Said coach called him a liar and a coward. I was beyond pissed. I ahd always been taught to never get personal with a player. They are 14-18 year old children for the most part, kids are weird to begin with. Unfortunately I was only a first year coach so I fumed silently and asked my HC to not let him speak to any of my kids ever again. He didn't thankfully. Put some ice on it and shutup
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 20:53:40 GMT -6
s73 ... at least you didn't put in a formation named "Cluster" and then run "Buck Series" out of it. "Right Cluster Buck Sweep Right" was a real call... A couple of years ago, the team I was with called our OLBs "Dogs." They'd just kept the name when switching from a 3-5 to a 3-4. Well, one of the calls we had was "hot dog." The signal was for the DC to cup his hand in front if his mouth and move it back and forth "like I'm eating a hot dog"... or something far, far worse. We also added a "fire" call to this. The fire call was holding your hand out and wiggling your fingers, which was supposed to look like flames moving around. But with the one hand working up and down towards the mouth and this hand below it wiggling those fingers underneath like they were tickling something dangling below, it just looked... well... lewd. Our players and coaches both cracked up when he introduced the call for that one. And every time we ran it. Not exactly a "bad coaching point," but funny.
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Post by s73 on Jul 3, 2014 9:39:09 GMT -6
The worst guys to work for are usually the "I, I, I guys" All you have to do is listen to them talk The ones that constantly use I did this, I did that, instead of WE are guys you have to watch out for I agree w/ one amendment coach. These are the worst guys to work WITH. Doesn't matter if they are headers or not. Tough to listen to these guys talk period.
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Post by coach2013 on Jul 5, 2014 6:47:46 GMT -6
Okay guys. So, I cringe whenever I hear awful coaching from my staff or anybody else's. There's always the infamous "Block somebody!" or "Hit somebody!". I think I finally got those beat. 1) I was at a 7on7 tournament and our DB coach yells at our CB "You're not fast enough! Be faster!" He got burned on a Go because his eyes were in the backfield. Apparently, he's just not fast enough to do that. 2) Same 7on7. Opposing coach's LB was too busy trailing 2 on a slant and wasn't able to expand with 3 to the flat. Coach yells at him "YOU GOTTA BE A BALLER!" What's the most ridiculous coaching point you've heard? This should be fun. poor footwork = "be an athlete" poor blocking schemes = " block somebody"
I think my biggest pet peeve has to be coaches telling players what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 5, 2014 7:36:58 GMT -6
s73 ... at least you didn't put in a formation named "Cluster" and then run "Buck Series" out of it. "Right Cluster Buck Sweep Right" was a real call... A couple of years ago, the team I was with called our OLBs "Dogs." They'd just kept the name when switching from a 3-5 to a 3-4. Well, one of the calls we had was "hot dog." The signal was for the DC to cup his hand in front if his mouth and move it back and forth "like I'm eating a hot dog"... or something far, far worse. We also added a "fire" call to this. The fire call was holding your hand out and wiggling your fingers, which was supposed to look like flames moving around. But with the one hand working up and down towards the mouth and this hand below it wiggling those fingers underneath like they were tickling something dangling below, it just looked... well... lewd. Our players and coaches both cracked up when he introduced the call for that one. And every time we ran it. Not exactly a "bad coaching point," but funny. This isn't funny...this is hilarious. I'm late to the party on this thread. I laughed at probably 10 different posts. Great thread.
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Post by blb on Jul 5, 2014 7:48:02 GMT -6
"Make the throw!!"
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Post by blb on Jul 5, 2014 8:06:34 GMT -6
Piggybacking on arnold's "Hot Dog" and "Fire" post -
We have a stunt called "Fly." My signal was pretending to zip-unzip my "fly."
My wife who was my fiancée at the time after seeing me do it in a game told me, "You can't do that in public in front of hundreds of people!"
So now my "Fly" signal is waving my arms like a big bird.
Then there was the time our game was on TV.
Was signaling in play to QB and he was giving me back signal he didn't get it.
Signal was hand above belt, then hand below belt.
Finally, third time, growing frustrated, I slapped my stomach demonstratively and grabbed my, uh, "package."
Guess what camera was on at that moment?
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Post by tango on Jul 5, 2014 8:10:20 GMT -6
Don't let anyone in your A hole. Happened a few years ago. Sorry
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 5, 2014 17:14:16 GMT -6
Don't let anyone in your A hole. Happened a few years ago. Sorry That isn't non coaching. That's great advice. Always protect your a hole.
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Post by CoachHess on Jul 5, 2014 18:18:08 GMT -6
JH Asst came up and helped out one day when HS RB coach was absent. I overhear him teaching a bag drill, telling the boys to cross their feet as they go over the bags. 1st three boys ate it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 20:25:27 GMT -6
JH Asst came up and helped out one day when HS RB coach was absent. I overhear him teaching a bag drill, telling the boys to cross their feet as they go over the bags. 1st three boys ate it. That reminds me of the "volunteer coach" we had at our last school. Actually, some other stories from that school that come to mind for this thread... 1. About that "volunteer coach..." he would just randomly show up when he felt like it and start "coaching" kids, usually telling them to do the exact opposite of what they were supposed to do. One day, we had them running gassers for conditioning. In the middle of the drill, moron grabs a bunch of footballs and turns to me with a grin and says "hey, watch this!" Then he proceeds to yell "Catch the Fumble!" and roll the balls out at the kids feet while they were running. One tripped over a ball and blew out his MCL. There were plenty of other things that were equally stupid from this guy, but that's the one I remember the most. 2. Next story comes from our WRs coach, who had no clue about OL play but decided to butt in sometimes and start coaching them anyway. We were a veer team. On the backside, we scooped inside. On the playside of veer, we veered inside. I lost count of how many times our WR coach would be standing in the defensive backfield during team only to randomly jump in and go off on our Ts with something along these lines: "What are you doing! You let that guy run right by you! That's pitiful! You suck! That's pitiful." Even after I explained multiple time that's what he was supposed to do (he looked at me like I had 3 heads each time) and then explained WHY he was supposed to do that, he'd still repeat this behavior a few days later. As much as I tried to avoid it, I wound up having to have some heated exchanges with the guy in front of the kids just to stick up for my OL after he kept doing it and the WRs picked up on it. 3. Then there was all the bear crawling for the DL. So much bear crawling. Our HC/DC got the idea that having them Bear Crawl on 1st and 10 from midfield was a good idea to keep them low and stop the run, so he put calls into our defense to have them do it. I don't know how many times I saw opponents just stand up, back away, and slam our face masks in the dirt over and over again. The the HC complained they weren't "flying to the ball" from their bear crawl and blamed the DL coach (me) for them not crawling well enough... 4. On leadership... one day, after a tough loss, our best athlete (who was at LHB in the flexbone) went off to myself, another coach, and a parent about how he wasn't getting enough rushing yards and started going off on his linemen for not blocking for him when he ran the ball the right. One of the kids, who was our hardest worker on the OL, was standing right beside him as he did this. The parent and other coach immediately praised this kids "leadership" for griping about his stats and demanding the ball more. He's not a bad kid, but there was no "leadership" there... Then there was all the emphasis on trying to get players to give the Ray Lewis speeches. I think that at least 2 of our coaches felt that the reason we weren't winning is because we didn't have good enough Ray Lewis speeches. I do not miss that stuff.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 5, 2014 21:15:48 GMT -6
JH Asst came up and helped out one day when HS RB coach was absent. I overhear him teaching a bag drill, telling the boys to cross their feet as they go over the bags. 1st three boys ate it. That reminds me of the "volunteer coach" we had at our last school. Actually, some other stories from that school that come to mind for this thread... 1. About that "volunteer coach..." he would just randomly show up when he felt like it and start "coaching" kids, usually telling them to do the exact opposite of what they were supposed to do. One day, we had them running gassers for conditioning. In the middle of the drill, moron grabs a bunch of footballs and turns to me with a grin and says "hey, watch this!" Then he proceeds to yell "Catch the Fumble!" and roll the balls out at the kids feet while they were running. One tripped over a ball and blew out his MCL. There were plenty of other things that were equally stupid from this guy, but that's the one I remember the most. 2. Next story comes from our WRs coach, who had no clue about OL play but decided to butt in sometimes and start coaching them anyway. We were a veer team. On the backside, we scooped inside. On the playside of veer, we veered inside. I lost count of how many times our WR coach would be standing in the defensive backfield during team only to randomly jump in and go off on our Ts with something along these lines: "What are you doing! You let that guy run right by you! That's pitiful! You suck! That's pitiful." Even after I explained multiple time that's what he was supposed to do (he looked at me like I had 3 heads each time) and then explained WHY he was supposed to do that, he'd still repeat this behavior a few days later. As much as I tried to avoid it, I wound up having to have some heated exchanges with the guy in front of the kids just to stick up for my OL after he kept doing it and the WRs picked up on it. 3. Then there was all the bear crawling for the DL. So much bear crawling. Our HC/DC got the idea that having them Bear Crawl on 1st and 10 from midfield was a good idea to keep them low and stop the run, so he put calls into our defense to have them do it. I don't know how many times I saw opponents just stand up, back away, and slam our face masks in the dirt over and over again. The the HC complained they weren't "flying to the ball" from their bear crawl and blamed the DL coach (me) for them not crawling well enough... 4. On leadership... one day, after a tough loss, our best athlete (who was at LHB in the flexbone) went off to myself, another coach, and a parent about how he wasn't getting enough rushing yards and started going off on his linemen for not blocking for him when he ran the ball the right. One of the kids, who was our hardest worker on the OL, was standing right beside him as he did this. The parent and other coach immediately praised this kids "leadership" for griping about his stats and demanding the ball more. He's not a bad kid, but there was no "leadership" there... Then there was all the emphasis on trying to get players to give the Ray Lewis speeches. I think that at least 2 of our coaches felt that the reason we weren't winning is because we didn't have good enough Ray Lewis speeches. I do not miss that stuff. I thought I had it bad in the two years I spent at my last program, but I have nothing that can come close to any of this. It would be funny if a sane person didn't have to live through it.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 5, 2014 21:20:27 GMT -6
3. Then there was all the bear crawling for the DL. So much bear crawling. Our HC/DC got the idea that having them Bear Crawl on 1st and 10 from midfield was a good idea to keep them low and stop the run, so he put calls into our defense to have them do it. I don't know how many times I saw opponents just stand up, back away, and slam our face masks in the dirt over and over again. The the HC complained they weren't "flying to the ball" from their bear crawl and blamed the DL coach (me) for them not crawling well enough... I think I threw up a little bit. I cant imagine how that would look anything like a competent technique. Thats rough, but what the HC wants the HC gets, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 22:39:30 GMT -6
3. Then there was all the bear crawling for the DL. So much bear crawling... I think I threw up a little bit. I cant imagine how that would look anything like a competent technique. Thats rough, but what the HC wants the HC gets, I suppose. Trust me, it didn't, but he was HC and DC, so it's what we did. I even came up with a couple of drills to make us better bear crawlers. When I got there and was told we were running a 4-3 and 1 gapping, I started teaching BDSD on the first day and having the BSDE stay at home for BCR. Got chewed out after our first scrimmage that the DEs were "getting sucked inside" on BDSD and that he wanted everybody "flying to the ball" on flow away. When our defense sucked overall, it was partly my fault and partly because "our kids just don't have football IQ." Coincidentally, that team's given up 9ypc and 40+ ppg for the past 4 years since that guy took over as DC, then HC. Actually, that's probably the single worst coaching point I've ever heard: "Have some football IQ!" He was fond of that one and blamed most of our problems on our lack of it.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 6, 2014 9:50:07 GMT -6
When we were a really good DW team, teams would go to the bear crawl/cutting our OL to try to slow us down. First couple teams that did it had some success as our kids didn't know immediately what to do when they encountered it. Eventually though the effect wore off and we were better able to deal with it.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 6, 2014 9:52:30 GMT -6
I once kicked a kid out o JV pregame practice on a Saturday morning because the kid was being a jack hole and told him not to worry about suiting up for the game on Monday. I had the audacity to ask him to JOG during our walk through of KOR. He goes in, complains to the HC. The HC's solution to the problem? He started him at TB on Friday night.
I decided Week 1 of that year I'd be looking for a new job after that season.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jul 6, 2014 13:38:27 GMT -6
I just turned on the NFL Network to find a replay of the Dallas-Denver game from last season. The OL coach from the Cowboys was on the sideline telling his guys, "this is just a battle of wills, who wants it more."
So, I guess from that point on execution had nothing to do with who won the game. Peyton Manning just wanted it more than Dallas.
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Post by fantom on Jul 6, 2014 13:43:11 GMT -6
I just turned on the NFL Network to find a replay of the Dallas-Denver game from last season. The OL coach from the Cowboys was on the sideline telling his guys, "this is just a battle of wills, who wants it more." So, I guess from that point on execution had nothing to do with who won the game. Peyton Manning just wanted it more than Dallas. In-game talk is often more motivational that instructional. You do your instructing during the week. Also, TV chooses these sound bites. The fans really aren't interested in talk about footwork or hand placement,
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Post by emptybackfield on Jul 6, 2014 13:50:07 GMT -6
I just turned on the NFL Network to find a replay of the Dallas-Denver game from last season. The OL coach from the Cowboys was on the sideline telling his guys, "this is just a battle of wills, who wants it more." So, I guess from that point on execution had nothing to do with who won the game. Peyton Manning just wanted it more than Dallas. In-game talk is often more motivational that instructional. You do your instructing during the week. Also, TV chooses these sound bites. The fans really aren't interested in talk about footwork or hand placement, Yes, you are correct. That is a severely overused line though, so seeing it just jogged my memory a little.
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Post by wingt74 on Jul 7, 2014 12:03:41 GMT -6
C'mon! You guys are missing the all-time best!
"HIT SOMEONE!"
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Post by blb on Jul 7, 2014 12:30:11 GMT -6
C'mon! You guys are missing the all-time best! "HIT SOMEONE!"
Dude - read the whole thread. In OP.
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Post by EnglishOC on Jul 8, 2014 3:55:14 GMT -6
A Few years back when I used to play, our HC came upto us at HT and mummbled something, stuttered a bit and then just yelled "Just be better!" then walked out.
So inspiring.
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