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Post by shocktroop34 on May 7, 2014 11:09:06 GMT -6
A coach in my building came to me and stated that the principal just came from a meeting and the "powers that be" are strongly considering a policy that would eliminate any student below a 2.0 GPA to participate in activities for the entire year if said student drops below a 2.0 after any given quarter/marking period.
I'm all for progressive and rigorous standards, but this seems excessive.
Wondering if anyone else is facing this type of dilemma.
They are also tossing around the idea of needing a 2.5 minimum to participate, in order to stay ahead of the upcoming NCAA 2.3 GPA rule.
Thoughts, please.
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Post by larrymoe on May 7, 2014 11:14:17 GMT -6
Idiotic.
This idea we have in education right now that every kid should go to college is beyond stupid.
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Post by spos21ram on May 7, 2014 11:18:04 GMT -6
Our school and most public schools, go by the state rule. Our rule is 2 F's on their report card and they are ineligible. So speaking for the fall season, if a student has 2 F's on their final report card of the previous school year then they are ineligible for the entire fall season. If they are eligible for the fall season. but get 2 F's on their first quarter report card, then they are ineligible for the remainder of the season once report cards come out.
Schools do have the option of having their own stiffer policy if they wish.
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Post by gibbs72 on May 7, 2014 11:20:38 GMT -6
I could see them suspending a kid for falling below a 2.5, but I also believe its idiotic to drop the hammer for the entire year without giving the kid any incentive for improving his grades. Hard to have a carrot and a stick if you take away the carrot.
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Post by windigo on May 7, 2014 11:24:43 GMT -6
I could see them suspending a kid for falling below a 2.5, but I also believe its idiotic to drop the hammer for the entire year without giving the kid any incentive for improving his grades. Hard to have a carrot and a stick if you take away the carrot. Exactly the longer you put out the possibility of returning to sports the less chance there is that the kid will work to get their grades back up. For many of these kids the desire to eligible for sports is the only reason they haven't flunked out of school.
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Post by dubber on May 7, 2014 12:52:19 GMT -6
I would be suprised if this really is "strongly considered".
High schools can be a swirling vortex of rumors, and then you add in the kids.
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Post by shocktroop34 on May 7, 2014 14:03:42 GMT -6
...it gets even better...just received news that they are now going to eliminate activities for students who fail a class. Singular. One failed grade will prevent students from participating in sports or other activities for the year.
But wait, there's more! We've always had a policy that if a kid had (for example a 1.8) in junior high, it wouldn't stop him from playing freshmen sports, pending he remained above a 2.0 during his high school years. Now, any incoming freshmen, must be above a 2.0 prior to trying out for freshmen teams. If said student is not above a 2.0, he try again in his sophomore year.
I can't begin to think about the number of kids that will be in the streets doing God knows what.
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Post by coachphillip on May 7, 2014 14:14:32 GMT -6
This is all kinds of bad. I hope you're nowhere near CA, coach.
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Post by shocktroop34 on May 7, 2014 14:15:58 GMT -6
I would be suprised if this really is "strongly considered". High schools can be a swirling vortex of rumors, and then you add in the kids. Dubber, I thought the same thing. I asked the source (who told me) exactly who was pushing this thing. He told me that the county AD supervisor is pushing it. I went to the principal and asked him, and he confirmed it. He said he was in the minority of people who were opposed to it. What?! Minority?! I mean, is this as catastrophic as I may think? I haven't even heard of anything like this happening anywhere. I don't think it will happen this fall, but possibly the next. When I get a minute, I'm going to pull the grades of the kids I had last to see which ones wouldn't be finishing the year, playing basketball, or wrestling. I wonder if this includes the chess team? What coach would want to coach in this type of system? Dubber, I hope to find out that this is an ugly rumor, or a very bad joke. I truly do. But April 1st is long gone and bureaucratic bliss is alive and kicking...
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Post by shocktroop34 on May 7, 2014 14:22:29 GMT -6
This is all kinds of bad. I hope you're nowhere near CA, coach. Coach, no BS, but this scares me. Even if it is a rumor, the fact that something like this is in people heads is scary to me. I'm on the opposite coast my brother. But you know how trendy educational bureaucracy can be. I was thinking about the last team I had. Out of a roster of 42 players, we had only one that was ineligible. However, I had multiple kids that had F's. Many of who were the honors or AP kids that had demanding schedules.
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Post by kcbazooka on May 7, 2014 14:25:44 GMT -6
Our school policy is stiffer than the state association guidelines.
If they have 2 F's they are done for the semester. Our school policy is if they have 1 F they are on probation and cannot participate in games until midterms. If the same student has any F's at midterm he is ineligible for the rest of the quarter. So for football - midterms wouldn't come out until about week 4 of the season (7 weeks of practice)- try to get today's kid to practice for 7 weeks without the chance to play. And if they flunk any of the classes at Midterm then they are done.
I've ranted that if it applies to athletics it ought to apply to all other school activities. If a kid fails a class he shouldn't be able to do a concert, art show, FFA, FBLA, VOTECH competition.
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Post by coachphillip on May 7, 2014 14:31:06 GMT -6
Absolutely agree with that last sentiment. Our choir director is a little dictator. His kids practice WAY longer than we do.
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Post by blb on May 7, 2014 14:43:56 GMT -6
Once worked in a school where eligibility requirements were supposed to apply to all extra-curriculars and activities - until leading man in Spring musical came up ineligible day before Opening Night.
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Post by mariner42 on May 7, 2014 14:52:04 GMT -6
...it gets even better...just received news that they are now going to eliminate activities for students who fail a class. Singular. One failed grade will prevent students from participating in sports or other activities for the year. But wait, there's more! We've always had a policy that if a kid had (for example a 1.8) in junior high, it wouldn't stop him from playing freshmen sports, pending he remained above a 2.0 during his high school years. Now, any incoming freshmen, must be above a 2.0 prior to trying out for freshmen teams. If said student is not above a 2.0, he try again in his sophomore year. I can't begin to think about the number of kids that will be in the streets doing God knows what. When you say the whole year... Like, calendar year or school year? Because that makes your first quarter grades tremendously important and fourth quarter grades much less so. Also, WHO F***ING COMES UP WITH THAT PLAN???
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Post by windigo on May 7, 2014 15:20:45 GMT -6
Also, WHO F***ING COMES UP WITH THAT PLAN??? People who absolutely hated the athletes at their school when they were a kid. The smarter you are the higher your odds of being a sociopath. This is nothing about the good of the kids. This is revenge plain and simple.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 16:11:57 GMT -6
I can understand going semester by semester, but a whole year of punishment does seem a little extreme.
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Post by souza12 on May 7, 2014 18:51:52 GMT -6
...it gets even better...just received news that they are now going to eliminate activities for students who fail a class. Singular. One failed grade will prevent students from participating in sports or other activities for the year. But wait, there's more! We've always had a policy that if a kid had (for example a 1.8) in junior high, it wouldn't stop him from playing freshmen sports, pending he remained above a 2.0 during his high school years. Now, any incoming freshmen, must be above a 2.0 prior to trying out for freshmen teams. If said student is not above a 2.0, he try again in his sophomore year. I can't begin to think about the number of kids that will be in the streets doing God knows what. Was already like that where I coach with the Freshman. Knocked out a lot of kids that really wanted to play. At some point administrators need to ask themselves what is best for the kids and I dont feel they are making the right decisions. Head Coach didnt want me to bring it up last year.. but he's trying to make it happen this year, he is working the finesse lol What im confused with your post is.. if a kid has a 1.8 in his Junior high school and wont be allowed to play football.. can he get a 3.3 in the 3rd quarter and play baseball? Or are they trying to eliminate his ENTIRE year off of 1 marking period?
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Post by 44dlcoach on May 7, 2014 21:40:57 GMT -6
At our school if you don't have a 2.0 based on the last 9 quarter's report card, you cannot be on the team. If you are eligible to start the season they check grades every 3 weeks and any kid with an F gets a week to get it up or they are suspended for the next week. If it isn't up after two weeks they are removed from the team.
Kids are allowed to use summer school classes to up the GPA to become eligible for the fall semester.
I have to say, from a purely football perspective this has not hurt our program. The guys who we've counted on have always gotten to that 2.0 mark through summer school or makeup work arranged with their teachers. I don't exactly agree with the rule, but it's been in effect here for about 7-8 years and we have never lost a player that we were legitimately counting on due to not getting a 2.0. It is entirely possible that we lost kids as freshmen who didn't come back to football that could have developed into players, but who knows?
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Post by kj on May 7, 2014 22:35:15 GMT -6
If you can't get a 2.0 in HS, you don't deserve to play any sports. School comes first! Put the 3 hours you are practicing for football each day and hit the books. You aren't going to go far in life with a 1.8 gpa.
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Post by souza12 on May 7, 2014 23:19:48 GMT -6
Thats not what happens though.. 10/10 times they sub xbox for football
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Post by realdawg on May 8, 2014 5:36:55 GMT -6
Kid without a 2.0 isnt gonna go home and study to get his 2.0 if you take away sports. He's gonna go play nintendo or smoke dope or whatever it is kids do in your area. If they cared that much they wouldnt be below a 2.0 to start with. Now, here is why this is unfair. As someone mentioned, does the drama club have a 2.0 rule? How about the band? Then does the school require you to have a 2.0 to graduate? Or are the graduation requirements just that you pass the necessary classes? We have lots of kids that graduate with less than a 2.0. So are you telling me its more important to have a 2.0 to play sports than it is to graduate!?!?!?!?!?! Shut the front door! Thats crazy. Luckily, we dont have a 2.0 rule, our requirements are you have to pass 3 of 4 the previous semester, have to be promoted (which means you the one you fail cant be math or english), and cant miss more than 13.5 days.
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Post by shocktroop34 on May 8, 2014 6:20:08 GMT -6
...it gets even better...just received news that they are now going to eliminate activities for students who fail a class. Singular. One failed grade will prevent students from participating in sports or other activities for the year. But wait, there's more! We've always had a policy that if a kid had (for example a 1.8) in junior high, it wouldn't stop him from playing freshmen sports, pending he remained above a 2.0 during his high school years. Now, any incoming freshmen, must be above a 2.0 prior to trying out for freshmen teams. If said student is not above a 2.0, he try again in his sophomore year. I can't begin to think about the number of kids that will be in the streets doing God knows what. Was already like that where I coach with the Freshman. Knocked out a lot of kids that really wanted to play. At some point administrators need to ask themselves what is best for the kids and I dont feel they are making the right decisions. Head Coach didnt want me to bring it up last year.. but he's trying to make it happen this year, he is working the finesse lol What im confused with your post is.. if a kid has a 1.8 in his Junior high school and wont be allowed to play football.. can he get a 3.3 in the 3rd quarter and play baseball? Or are they trying to eliminate his ENTIRE year off of 1 marking period? Coach-The way it has been explained to me is that if a kid has a cumulative gpa that is under a 2.0, he will sit out the entire freshmen year from any activities. Now what is not clear to me is what activities this will include. The person driving this agenda is the county athletic director. Because his title only covers athletics, I don't know whether it covers drama, band, debate team, etc.
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Post by CS on May 8, 2014 6:31:21 GMT -6
There is a school here that did that years ago. They were never what you would call a power house team but they were competitive and would win conference occasionally. Now they are crap.
They can't keep athletes eligible and they will move to other districts.
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Post by silkyice on May 8, 2014 6:32:27 GMT -6
Why stop at 2.0 if we care about the care the kids? I think it should be 4.0. That would change lives!
Joking aside, what does pass and fail mean in a class? If you pass the class, you move to the next class or next grade. You are making progress towards graduation. That is the ONLY thing that should matter to be academically eligible to play sports.
You should just have to pass 6 classes each year to be eligible for the next year. If 4 of them need to be core clases also, I am fine with that. Be on track to graduate.
If I make a D in Algebra 1 and that qualifies me to partcipiate in Algebra 2 or Geometry next year, but doesn't qualify me to participate in football, that is illogical!!!!!!!
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Post by larrymoe on May 8, 2014 6:50:42 GMT -6
If you can't get a 2.0 in HS, you don't deserve to play any sports. School comes first! Put the 3 hours you are practicing for football each day and hit the books. You aren't going to go far in life with a 1.8 gpa. I know you can like a post, can you dislike a post? In the grand scheme of things, 20 years after you're in HS, there's little less important than what your HS GPA was. There's plenty of people in the world who for whatever reasons struggled or skated by in HS and went on to very successful careers because they were inspired by something else. I can not name you a SINGLE person who took that extra 3 hours and "hit the books".
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Post by shocktroop34 on May 8, 2014 6:54:33 GMT -6
If you men knew who was driving this agenda, you would scratch your heads even more. He has been a successful football coach, a state champion track coach, and he has a brother that coaches D1 football. It's not like he's some neddle nose, pointy headed, nerd that is anti-sports.
To read other posts and hear that other areas have gone this route is pretty disheartening. A "lurker" posted that "school comes first" and I don't think anyone is going to argue with that. What that person has overlooked is the ability of a coach to provide an environment/motivation that will inspire the young person to do better in the classroom.
No, that same 1.8 kid is not going to go home and do 3 hrs of homework. But if he is under the direction of a coach that cares about grades, he will be in a more positive educational environment (within the team setting) as opposed to just going home.
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 8, 2014 8:43:47 GMT -6
If you can't pull a 2.5 in high school, you're a lost cause unless you're an elite athlete/musician/hacker of some kind. I don't want too many 2.5 kids around my program because usually the lowest common denominator wins out among immature boys. Our school rule will be 2.25 next year, 2.0 is the state minimum. My team GPA was near a 3.0 this and we went 5-5. When it was near a 2.5 we went 2-8. Next year it will be near a 3.5 (these are unweighted GPAs)
Also, if you're on a behavior contract you can't play sports at our school.
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Post by silkyice on May 8, 2014 9:42:48 GMT -6
If you can't pull a 2.5 in high school, you're a lost cause unless you're an elite athlete/musician/hacker of some kind. I don't want too many 2.5 kids around my program because usually the lowest common denominator wins out among immature boys. Our school rule will be 2.25 next year, 2.0 is the state minimum. My team GPA was near a 3.0 this and we went 5-5. When it was near a 2.5 we went 2-8. Next year it will be near a 3.5 (these are unweighted GPAs) Also, if you're on a behavior contract you can't play sports at our school. I am all for kids having high gpa's. But a lost cause if you can't pull a 2.5 in high school? Seriously? There are so many things more important than your high school GPA. I agree that all things being equal, the smarter your team is, the better you will do. But some of my smartest football players have not been great students and some of my stupidest football players have been great in school. But why not just take the 4.0 kids? Or just take the 11 smartest kids period. I am sure you will go undefeated then. Your average unweighted team GPA is going to be 3.5? Wow. BTW, I teach at a school that has 14 kids that have made a 30 or above on the ACT and we graduate 26 this year.
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Post by larrymoe on May 8, 2014 11:18:53 GMT -6
If you can't pull a 2.5 in high school, you're a lost cause unless you're an elite athlete/musician/hacker of some kind. I don't want too many 2.5 kids around my program because usually the lowest common denominator wins out among immature boys. Our school rule will be 2.25 next year, 2.0 is the state minimum. My team GPA was near a 3.0 this and we went 5-5. When it was near a 2.5 we went 2-8. Next year it will be near a 3.5 (these are unweighted GPAs) Also, if you're on a behavior contract you can't play sports at our school. Are we seriously saying that someone that averages C/C+ GPA is a lost cause? That's {censored} insane.
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Post by larrymoe on May 8, 2014 11:22:49 GMT -6
I guess you can say that when you teach at a private school.
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