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Post by simione916 on Apr 29, 2014 15:26:57 GMT -6
Okay, so we are doing year two of these free workouts with kids ages 6-13. It is a weekly thing, and not a full blown practice. Kind of an introductory thing for kids as we roll through spring. Open to all kids type stuff. This workout is chunked into 5 minute blocks (agilities, then offense on some days, defense on others). So most times there is a rotation, quick instruction, then REPS. It goes about 1 1/2 hours...pretty quick paced.
Kids are grouped as follows-- 6-7, 8-9. 10-11, then 12 and up. Our 6-7 year olds are giving coaches problems through not paying attention and horseplay.
So I turn around and notice kids are running gassers. Our coaches get frustrated even though they only have kids 5 minutes.
We don't want to turn kids away, but then we don't want them messing up the drill for the others. My first inclination is to have a dude talk to these kids off to the side. And if they don't listen after a warning, they go sit up in the bleachers and think about it for next time.
Thoughts?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 29, 2014 15:54:09 GMT -6
Yeah. If the idea is to get kids to buy in to the program from an early age then you don't want gassers to be what they associate you with. The kids are going to horseplay. They're children. Give them drills involving a ball and let them have fun. Your most patient coaches should be there. I don't think you're trying to develop concrete fundamentals with that age group in your camp anyway.
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Post by blb on Apr 29, 2014 16:25:35 GMT -6
Why are you doing Football drills in April for kids who aren't in MS or Junior High yet?
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Post by newt21 on Apr 29, 2014 16:52:59 GMT -6
Yeah. If the idea is to get kids to buy in to the program from an early age then you don't want gassers to be what they associate you with. The kids are going to horseplay. They're children. Give them drills involving a ball and let them have fun. Your most patient coaches should be there. I don't think you're trying to develop concrete fundamentals with that age group in your camp anyway. I agree with this. Kids that age are going to goof off and they're going to have VERY short attention spans. They also love movement. Break out some agility ladders and let that be a station, they will eat it up. Then right after they get done with that station, talk to them about some kind of fundamentals/skills. This way they will get some of that energy out while developing speed, two birds with one stone. |
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Post by 33coach on Apr 29, 2014 17:38:56 GMT -6
Okay, so we are doing year two of these free workouts with kids ages 6-13. It is a weekly thing, and not a full blown practice. Kind of an introductory thing for kids as we roll through spring. Open to all kids type stuff. This workout is chunked into 5 minute blocks (agilities, then offense on some days, defense on others). So most times there is a rotation, quick instruction, then REPS. It goes about 1 1/2 hours...pretty quick paced. Kids are grouped as follows-- 6-7, 8-9. 10-11, then 12 and up. Our 6-7 year olds are giving coaches problems through not paying attention and horseplay. So I turn around and notice kids are running gassers. Our coaches get frustrated even though they only have kids 5 minutes. We don't want to turn kids away, but then we don't want them messing up the drill for the others. My first inclination is to have a dude talk to these kids off to the side. And if they don't listen after a warning, they go sit up in the bleachers and think about it for next time. Thoughts? Thanks in advance. first of all, your coaching 6-7 year olds. what do you expect? you need to either: A) lighten up and make it more "fun" and less work (which will get there attention longer) B) find someone who is used to working with that age group (kindergarden teacher?) but gassers dont do any good. AND these kids arnt your players. |
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Post by blb on Apr 29, 2014 18:04:07 GMT -6
"think about it"?!
You know what 6-7 year olds think about?
Eating, pooping, Monster Trucks, and Super Hero video games-movies.
It isn't doing agility drills much less Gassers.
They should be playing in-season sports (or better yet in backyard or on playground) and spending time with family.
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Post by 33coach on Apr 29, 2014 18:15:00 GMT -6
"think about it"?! You know what 6-7 year olds think about? Eating, pooping, Monster Trucks, and Super Hero video games-movies. It isn't doing agility drills much less Gassers. They should be playing in-season sports (or better yet in backyard or on playground) and spending time with family. weve done spring agility camps with our bantam division...and it works as long as you frame it properly (more playing less instruction) |
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Post by 19delta on Apr 29, 2014 18:46:15 GMT -6
What grade are these kids in? 1st...2nd?
An hour and a half is an ETERNITY for kids that young. Kids that young...I would go maybe 30 minutes.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 29, 2014 22:25:01 GMT -6
Okay, so we are doing year two of these free workouts with kids ages 6-13. It is a weekly thing, and not a full blown practice. Kind of an introductory thing for kids as we roll through spring. Open to all kids type stuff. This workout is chunked into 5 minute blocks (agilities, then offense on some days, defense on others). So most times there is a rotation, quick instruction, then REPS. It goes about 1 1/2 hours...pretty quick paced. Kids are grouped as follows-- 6-7, 8-9. 10-11, then 12 and up. Our 6-7 year olds are giving coaches problems through not paying attention and horseplay. So I turn around and notice kids are running gassers. Our coaches get frustrated even though they only have kids 5 minutes. We don't want to turn kids away, but then we don't want them messing up the drill for the others. My first inclination is to have a dude talk to these kids off to the side. And if they don't listen after a warning, they go sit up in the bleachers and think about it for next time. 7Us not paying att'n? Not a problem, unless they're positively distracting others who are trying to pay att'n. But when you consider that the situation is so far removed from actual football, how much att'n does anyone need, esp. from 6-7s? Any who are a persistent problem distracting others among the 7Us I would remove from that group and have them go watch the 12+, who won't let them distract them. |
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Post by simione916 on Apr 30, 2014 9:18:31 GMT -6
Why are you doing Football drills in April for kids who aren't in MS or Junior High yet? For the same reasons you see basketball camps, soccer camps, wrestling camps, etc. I don't know where you are at, but kids are exposed to drills and such at a very young age out here. I didn't come here to debate whether or not it is right to do the camps. But thanks for the inquiry lol. |
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Post by simione916 on Apr 30, 2014 9:31:14 GMT -6
Before you guys pile on, I'd like to acknowledge that I GET your point if you are against having workouts for kids so young, or kids not in season. Noted. Thanks!
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Post by mahonz on Apr 30, 2014 9:44:29 GMT -6
Before you guys pile on, I'd like to acknowledge that I GET your point if you are against having workouts for kids so young, or kids not in season. Noted. Thanks! All of the HS Programs around here do this every Spring. You are fine and providing a nice service to the Community. The Negative Nancy's here are being way to serious. Its fun regardless of age. As far as the Smurfs....as mentioned place the most patient Coach(s) at that Station. Problem solved. |
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 30, 2014 10:27:32 GMT -6
Before you guys pile on, I'd like to acknowledge that I GET your point if you are against having workouts for kids so young, or kids not in season. Noted. Thanks! All of the HS Programs around here do this every Spring. You are fine and providing a nice service to the Community. The Negative Nancy's here are being way to serious. Its fun regardless of age. As far as the Smurfs....as mentioned place the most patient Coach(s) at that Station. Problem solved. I wouldn't say the "negative Nancy's" are being too serious. They're saying make It more fun. To me thats making it less serious. Wouldn't making 6-7 year olds do workout type stuff be too serious? The premise of having youth camps are fine, but your expectations for the 6-10 year olds should be totally different than the middle school aged group. 6-10 year olds...all they do is fool around and play. Thats what kids do. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards |
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Post by simione916 on Apr 30, 2014 12:04:23 GMT -6
I totally agree. The "drills" definitely have to be modified for different age groups, and different levels of ability. So the younger you go, the more "play" like some of the posters mentioned. I am telling our coaches that before we fly off the handle with consequences, we must always consider what WE are doing as teachers/coaches. Remember the kids are KIDS, and adjust teaching accordingly.
I really appreciate all of the feedback in here...good, bad, or ugly like me.
Thanks, Coaches!
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Post by mahonz on Apr 30, 2014 13:29:41 GMT -6
All of the HS Programs around here do this every Spring. You are fine and providing a nice service to the Community. The Negative Nancy's here are being way to serious. Its fun regardless of age. As far as the Smurfs....as mentioned place the most patient Coach(s) at that Station. Problem solved. Wouldn't making 6-7 year olds do workout type stuff be too serious? Not really. Everything is new to them so everything is fun...even gassers. The key is running gassers is not a punishment but rather competitive races. If you have some V Lombardi wanna be yelling at them the whole time because he cant figure out how to organize the Ants on the Anthill and bails by making them run so he doesn't have to deal with them any more...Ok....no fun at all for anyone. |
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Post by fantom on Apr 30, 2014 14:09:25 GMT -6
Wouldn't making 6-7 year olds do workout type stuff be too serious? Not really. Everything is new to them so everything is fun...even gassers. The key is running gassers is not a punishment but rather competitive races. If you have some V Lombardi wanna be yelling at them the whole time because he cant figure out how to organize the Ants on the Anthill and bails by making them run so he doesn't have to deal with them any more...Ok....no fun at all for anyone. And it does sound like somebody flew off the handle because they forgot that 6-7 year olds act like First Graders. Even with older kids I think that you have to find better ways to keep order than punishment gassers. It's a camp. It's supposed to be a more relaxed atmosphere than regular practice. I'm in a HS program and we run a mini-camp in May. It's open yo every kid why wants to come and the goal, besides installing our system, is recruiting and retention of young players. If they heard a coach ranting and raving and running kids that would not be helpful in achieving that objective. |
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Post by 33coach on Apr 30, 2014 16:26:12 GMT -6
Not really. Everything is new to them so everything is fun...even gassers. The key is running gassers is not a punishment but rather competitive races. If you have some V Lombardi wanna be yelling at them the whole time because he cant figure out how to organize the Ants on the Anthill and bails by making them run so he doesn't have to deal with them any more...Ok....no fun at all for anyone. I think that you have to find better ways to keep order than punishment gassers. It's a camp. It's supposed to be a more relaxed atmosphere than regular practice. I'm in a HS program and we run a mini-camp in May. It's open yo every kid why wants to come and the goal, besides installing our system, is recruiting and retention of young players. If they heard a coach ranting and raving and running kids that would not be helpful in achieving that objective. ^^^^^^^^^^if i could force every coach who was ever put on a youth camp to read this i would. ^^^^^^^^^^ |
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Post by davecisar on May 1, 2014 15:12:55 GMT -6
The keys are:
SHORT drills that are disguised and fun stuff- we do a LOT of things like that- Deer Hunter, Dummy Relay Races, My Towel Game
Everything is very inclusive and fast paced
Everything is a competition
Team Game stuff at the end- if they meet some goals
Everything taught in language they can understand and in progressions
For the youngest kids 60 minutes
For everyone else 90 minutes is more than enough
Big fan of the Ready/Focus method in my book about how to get and keep kids attention
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Post by bobgoodman on May 3, 2014 10:15:22 GMT -6
Wouldn't making 6-7 year olds do workout type stuff be too serious? Not really. Everything is new to them so everything is fun...even gassers. The key is running gassers is not a punishment but rather competitive races. True. Even kids a bit oder than that often think up-downs are hilarious -- more so if you do them "Simon Says' style. |
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Post by coach2013 on May 4, 2014 4:16:28 GMT -6
Ill never understand why coaches work so hard to turn kids toward soccer.
soccer= kick ball, chase it around, fun
football= gassers, agility drills, discipline? that's not fun.
Teach 3 point stance
Teach how to throw and catch
teach blocking and tackling
let them play some touch or flag football
teach them how to take a handoff
teach them how to snap, long snap, kickoff, punt and catch punts and kicks
diagram a play and let walk, jog, run it
show them some great highlights of nfl hits and youth hits
forget all the ugly stuff that turns them toward soccer
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Post by blb on May 4, 2014 6:26:57 GMT -6
I'm with 2013.
First, our Youth Camp starts at 5th Grade, and is in late July (as close to start of practice as we can make it).
We don't do anything that resembles "exercise" or conditioning except at end of camp one day we let them take a couple trips over the Agile Bags (One in the Hole, Two in the Hole) by age group.
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Post by mahonz on May 4, 2014 16:23:08 GMT -6
Ill never understand why coaches work so hard to turn kids toward soccer. soccer= kick ball, chase it around, fun football= gassers, agility drills, discipline? that's not fun. Teach 3 point stance Teach how to throw and catch teach blocking and tackling let them play some touch or flag football teach them how to take a handoff teach them how to snap, long snap, kickoff, punt and catch punts and kicks diagram a play and let walk, jog, run it show them some great highlights of nfl hits and youth hits forget all the ugly stuff that turns them toward soccer Problem is if we all make no effort to introduce the kids to football when they are in pre school...it may be too late. Those dang sokker fangs are out with a vengeance when they are 3 ! Sounds like the OP has addressed the problem. Your list would make for an awesome no pads youth camp for all age groups. |
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Post by mahonz on May 4, 2014 16:24:31 GMT -6
I'm with 2013. First, our Youth Camp starts at 5th Grade, and is in late July (as close to start of practice as we can make it). We don't do anything that resembles "exercise" or conditioning except at end of camp one day we let them take a couple trips over the Agile Bags (One in the Hole, Two in the Hole) by age group. Why not until the 5th grade? Just curious. |
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Post by blb on May 4, 2014 16:28:43 GMT -6
I'm with 2013. First, our Youth Camp starts at 5th Grade, and is in late July (as close to start of practice as we can make it). We don't do anything that resembles "exercise" or conditioning except at end of camp one day we let them take a couple trips over the Agile Bags (One in the Hole, Two in the Hole) by age group. Why not until the 5th grade? Just curious.
Because that's when they can start playing organized Football in the community in which I coach, and it's soon enough. Maybe too soon.
I'm aware of the argument about kids starting Foot Hockey (aka Soccer) earlier but I'm not going to let that make me do something I don't believe in.
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Post by mahonz on May 4, 2014 16:47:24 GMT -6
Why not until the 5th grade? Just curious.
Because that's when they can start playing organized Football in the community in which I coach, and it's soon enough. Maybe too soon.
I'm aware of the argument about kids starting Foot Hockey (aka Soccer) earlier but I'm not going to let that make me do something I don't believe in.
Ahh...makes sense. Why do you think the 5th grade is too early for organized Football? We can start them as young as 6. I have yet to see anything negative come from that because at that age the majority of the kids are coming from "football families". Now they can spread the Football love to their friends and neighbors. The later they start the more we battle with all of the other Sports that cant seem to stay with in their own traditional Seasons. By the 5th grade it seems many would be lost to other Sports for good. |
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Post by blb on May 4, 2014 16:55:53 GMT -6
Because Football is different than Baseball, Soccer, Basketball - it's a contact sport. Kids need to develop physically more before they start bumping into one another, especially these days with the concussion issue on everyone's mind.
Let the other sports burn them out early or show them they're not going to get a scholly much less to the big leagues by the time they're 13 so they're looking for something else to try. Football is still the most popular participant and spectator sport in the country.
Had a kid whose parents wouldn't let him play Football until 9th Grade. Was All-State, selected to All-Star game, and got a D-II scholarship.
He's a HS coach now.
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Post by bobgoodman on May 4, 2014 17:09:14 GMT -6
Ill never understand why coaches work so hard to turn kids toward soccer. soccer= kick ball, chase it around, fun football= gassers, agility drills, discipline? that's not fun. Teach 3 point stance Teach how to throw and catch teach blocking and tackling let them play some touch or flag football teach them how to take a handoff teach them how to snap, long snap, kickoff, punt and catch punts and kicks diagram a play and let walk, jog, run it show them some great highlights of nfl hits and youth hits forget all the ugly stuff that turns them toward soccer OK, but do you think each of those things would be equally appropriate for 7Us in the spring? |
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Post by bobgoodman on May 4, 2014 17:17:43 GMT -6
Because Football is different than Baseball, Soccer, Basketball - it's a contact sport. Kids need to develop physically more before they start bumping into one another, especially these days with the concussion issue on everyone's mind. Let the other sports burn them out early or show them they're not going to get a scholly much less to the big leagues by the time they're 13 so they're looking for something else to try. Football is still the most popular participant and spectator sport in the country. Had a kid whose parents wouldn't let him play Football until 9th Grade. Was All-State, selected to All-Star game, and got a D-II scholarship. He's a HS coach now. I look at it the the way around. For one thing, concussions are less likely the younger they are. But the main thing is that American football loses players so quickly with age, that they may as well start young and get in some seasons while they can, because they're not likely to be playing when they're old. By 9th grade, the number of players has shrunk considerably, and by adulthood hardly anybody's still playing, and even among those who manage to play as adults, there's no "old boys" circuit as exists in rugby. So if you wait until age 13 to start, chances are good you'll never play. |
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Post by mahonz on May 4, 2014 17:23:10 GMT -6
Because Football is different than Baseball, Soccer, Basketball - it's a contact sport. Kids need to develop physically more before they start bumping into one another, especially these days with the concussion issue on everyone's mind. Let the other sports burn them out early or show them they're not going to get a scholly much less to the big leagues by the time they're 13 so they're looking for something else to try. Football is still the most popular participant and spectator sport in the country. Had a kid whose parents wouldn't let him play Football until 9th Grade. Was All-State, selected to All-Star game, and got a D-II scholarship. He's a HS coach now. Good points. I think baseball is the biggest burnout invented when it comes to youth sports. Dual seasons...tournaments...off season camps...it never ends. When I ask a kid why baseball?...because they practice once and play 3 games per week... or basically just the opposite of football. I deal with the Rose Colored Glasses Syndrome all the time coaching youth football. Parents will ask me what HS FB Program is the best since we have open enrollment. I tell them which ever one is the best academically because once all the girls grow boobs...he may be done with sports anyway and there is NOTHING you can do about it.  |
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Post by mahonz on May 4, 2014 17:28:48 GMT -6
Because Football is different than Baseball, Soccer, Basketball - it's a contact sport. Kids need to develop physically more before they start bumping into one another, especially these days with the concussion issue on everyone's mind. Let the other sports burn them out early or show them they're not going to get a scholly much less to the big leagues by the time they're 13 so they're looking for something else to try. Football is still the most popular participant and spectator sport in the country. Had a kid whose parents wouldn't let him play Football until 9th Grade. Was All-State, selected to All-Star game, and got a D-II scholarship. He's a HS coach now. I look at it the the way around. For one thing, concussions are less likely the younger they are. But the main thing is that American football loses players so quickly with age, that they may as well start young and get in some seasons while they can, because they're not likely to be playing when they're old. By 9th grade, the number of players has shrunk considerably, and by adulthood hardly anybody's still playing, and even among those who manage to play as adults, there's no "old boys" circuit as exists in rugby. So if you wait until age 13 to start, chances are good you'll never play. Those are good points Bob. I wish more people would realized this. Its easier to get into the game and then stay there before the speed of the game gets to a point where its just too fast for the average Joe....but I see Blb's points as well. Parents are burning kids out early...at least in my area. Baseball being the biggest culprit. |
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