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Post by mariner42 on Apr 1, 2014 11:16:32 GMT -6
I'm wondering if anyone has successfully swayed their administration's stance regarding the importance of on-campus coaches and their value?
How did you go about it? What did you say/do in order to change their minds/perception?
Or, hypothetically, how would you approach the situation?
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 1, 2014 13:33:28 GMT -6
Normally, around here anyway, administrations always prefer on campus coaches over "outsiders". No need for selling it here.
Some positives of having on campus coaches...players can talk to a coach during the day if they have questions or if something is bothering them. Admin can get a hold of coaches pretty easily and csn meet with them in person during the day if needed. Also, on campus coaches are usually in it for the long haul. Up here in the northeast there is very little school hopping because coaching jobs are never attatched to teaching jobs. Overall it comes down to availability.
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 1, 2014 14:49:59 GMT -6
Liability and accountability. The more coaches in the building the more eyes on players and more support. Also having your freshmen and jv coaches is a must too. As the football team goes so does athletics and the morale of the school. Gets the year started right. Our principal is a big proponent. He played college football and is very supportive.
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Post by Send_the_House on Apr 1, 2014 17:07:15 GMT -6
Bring them on a trip to visit Texas HS Football...
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 1, 2014 17:10:08 GMT -6
Bring them on a trip to visit Texas HS Football... I don't get the point? Are almost all texas hs football coaches teachers in the building? |
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Post by CS on Apr 1, 2014 19:41:02 GMT -6
Bring them on a trip to visit Texas HS Football... I don't get the point? Are almost all texas hs football coaches teachers in the building? If it's like arkansas they have to teach to coach |
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Post by dodson10 on Apr 2, 2014 9:30:49 GMT -6
You have to be employed by the school district you coach for full time to coach in Texas. However almost all coaches teach class. However some school districts have coaches that are the HVAC repairman for the district. They don't actually do that job, but that's what they're paid for. I have seen some that are also paraprofessionals.
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 2, 2014 10:14:54 GMT -6
Normally, around here anyway, administrations always prefer on campus coaches over "outsiders". No need for selling it here. In CA it's a total 180, getting on campus coaches is HARD and most staffs are mostly off-campus/'walk-on' coaches, including HCs. I know coachbdud is the primary guy on campus with an off-campus HC, for example. Good points to consider, doesn't seem like there are many success stories to hear about...  |
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Post by wingtol on Apr 2, 2014 12:34:23 GMT -6
I don't get the point? Are almost all texas hs football coaches teachers in the building? If it's like arkansas they have to teach to coach The major hurdle for a lot of states are the unions, once someone is in as a teacher it is basically up to them when they want to leave after they get tenure in the district. I know in our area that really jams up jobs for coaches. Very hard to find spots for guys who are not all ready in the district, some places do but with state cuts and of course the economy the way it is around here a coaching/teaching job is almost impossible to find as a new coach hire. |
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 2, 2014 13:12:11 GMT -6
Normally, around here anyway, administrations always prefer on campus coaches over "outsiders". No need for selling it here. In CA it's a total 180, getting on campus coaches is HARD and most staffs are mostly off-campus/'walk-on' coaches, including HCs. I know coachbdud is the primary guy on campus with an off-campus HC, for example. Good points to consider, doesn't seem like there are many success stories to hear about... Yeah many schools either don't care/see the relationship between on campus coaches and stability Or don't have the teaching jobs open to bring an on campus guy in I got lucky A change in our PE and health master schedule made us need an extra PE teacher, then we had an older guy retire That's what opened up the spot for me to get and maintain my position Got pink slipped last spring but when the older guy retired I was hired back Luckily didn't get pinked this year so I know I'm good If our HC was on campus I might not have my job Our principal is a former coach and wanted at least someone on campus so that was a major part of me getting on here as well HC needed that on campus support |
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Post by CS on Apr 2, 2014 18:11:16 GMT -6
If it's like arkansas they have to teach to coach The major hurdle for a lot of states are the unions, once someone is in as a teacher it is basically up to them when they want to leave after they get tenure in the district. I know in our area that really jams up jobs for coaches. Very hard to find spots for guys who are not all ready in the district, some places do but with state cuts and of course the economy the way it is around here a coaching/teaching job is almost impossible to find as a new coach hire. We have unions here also. That's one problem with being a coach in this state. You have to teach and it's hard to fire a teacher. You can be fired as a coach but you can remain in the school if you want to. |
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Post by Coach Vint on Apr 4, 2014 11:52:39 GMT -6
Bring them on a trip to visit Texas HS Football... I don't get the point? Are almost all texas hs football coaches teachers in the building? Yes, in Texas you must be a full-time employee of the district to coach and a certified teacher, with very few exceptions. We have 16 assistants for football, we are all full-time teachers, and each of us has a second sport. We have three feeder middle schools each with 5 coaches who are full-time teachers. We have 2 athletic periods each day as do our middle schools. Texas is an awesome place to coach HS football. Our facilities are better than many 1AA and D2 programs. Heck, our stadium just had a $21 million renovation. I have been on the other side of the coin when I coached in the Bronx, New York for 8 years. We had 3 coaches that were paid by the district for coaching. We were all in the building. We were lucky to get a couple of more coaches hired as teachers and our booster club paid them for coaching. We then had 7 guys who were walk-on coaches who were professionals in the community. |
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Post by mholst40 on Apr 5, 2014 23:51:08 GMT -6
mariner42I think you can go about this two ways: 1. Try to convince your unsupportive administration about the importance of on-campus coaches so that your football team improves (LOSING BATTLE) 2. Try to convince your unsupportive administration that on-campus coaches are better teachers and help add to the campus culture in a way off-campus coaches or teachers who don't teach, can't (YOU HAVE A VIABLE CHANCE TO DO THIS). If you choose option #2, you better make sure whoever you bring in can be an awesome teacher or you will never get the chance again. I would angle the on-campus coaches as good teachers argument for the following reasons: - good classroom management skills/discipline techniques - understanding of differentiated instruction for kids from all walks of life - have solid relationships with students - help create a campus culture I have been an off-campus teacher for the past three years, but in the same school district. I just received a job on-campus for next school year though. But, even that was a laborious process due to transfer rules. I actually had to involve our union despite a VERY supportive principal, but that's a whole different story. We now have 5 on-campus coaches. A couple of years ago, we only had two. Our Head Coach has a great relationship with our principal, but he's handcuffed in what he can do. When we do have openings and a coach is a possibility, he's definitely going to give the guy a look if he can. This is in a district that doesn't support athletics well. We have 5 total stipends for our entire program (Varsity HC, 2 Varsity Assistants, JV HC and Frosh HC).
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