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Post by nltdiego on Feb 22, 2014 17:11:49 GMT -6
I keep reading and have heard this is a great idea. Essentially players have to apply (juniors-seniors) to be part of this committee. They are basically a voice of the players and meet with staff once per week. They are held to higher standards, such as cleaning up field, locker room, weight room, make sure players are aware of meetings, etc.
Anybody tried this?
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Post by 42falcon on Feb 22, 2014 17:19:29 GMT -6
We do this. Coaches pick players. Our group helps make team rules, expectations & carry out the direction of the team. Essentially an extension of the program. They are not held to a higher standard they help set the bar and enforce it with their teammates through actions & enforcement
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Post by nltdiego on Feb 22, 2014 18:47:56 GMT -6
Ok I was hoping I could have players nominate teammates. Do you have a criteria? GPA?
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Post by lochness on Feb 22, 2014 22:05:38 GMT -6
Isn't this what team captains are?
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Post by 42falcon on Feb 23, 2014 9:51:33 GMT -6
Isn't this what team captains are? Yes and no we chose our captains from this group. Counsel is a group that is bigger in numbers than our captains group. But I get what you are saying. If I had 30 kids playing I'd just have captains but I have 100 |
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Post by wolfden12 on Feb 23, 2014 17:45:39 GMT -6
Pat Fitzgerald of Northwestern just spoke on this topic. Gave a great clinic talk outlining everything.
PM if interested.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 11:59:59 GMT -6
I have my players vote for who they think there leaders are during the summer. I take the top 4 or 5 vote getters and make them the leadership council. Occassionally a kid gets on due to their popularity and not due to leadership ability, work ethic, drive, attendance, etc. Members of the leadership council are able to be voted off by the other members of the council. They may also hold a revote (by the entire team) to add another member if they so choose.
I had a parent of a voted council member, who was then voted off by the end of that week by his fellow council members for not showing up, ask me if summer was mandatory. My answer was of course not. So she asked how we could pick our leaders during the summer. I reminded her that leaders go above and beyond what is expected.
We also have these council leaders (when the dust settles) pick teams for the summer. As mentioned, conditioning, cleanup duty, etc are all tied in to attendance and work by your team.
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Post by lochness on Feb 24, 2014 13:33:25 GMT -6
Pat Fitzgerald of Northwestern just spoke on this topic. Gave a great clinic talk outlining everything. PM if interested. Why not just post it here? I bet a ton of guys would be interested in seeing it! |
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Post by fantom on Feb 24, 2014 13:46:25 GMT -6
Pat Fitzgerald of Northwestern just spoke on this topic. Gave a great clinic talk outlining everything. PM if interested. Why not just post it here? I bet a ton of guys would be interested in seeing it! I wonder if the union thing is making Fitzgerald second-guess this idea. |
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Post by Inthesticks on Feb 25, 2014 12:51:04 GMT -6
We do a team committee of 2 players from each grade. This is to include the younger players and give them a voice as well. It has worked great for us to bounce ideas and big decisions off them and make them feel like they have a say in certain decisions and it truly is THEIR team.
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Post by nickferguson58 on Feb 26, 2014 8:18:38 GMT -6
I love this. Have not been coaching long so a lot of my ideas are me thinking back to what worked when I played.
In high school, my team used this model. We had a team of about 65, neither big nor small. We had ALL seniors who attended weights regularly and our starting QB. It was not a policy that the QB was automatically on there but in our situation it worked well. He was only a soph. but we ran spread and he was an All-American type kid. Excellent football player, 4.0 every time, never in trouble, ended up get a scholarship to play football at Air Force. We had a small Senior class of only 10 that I was a part of so my Senior year it was 11 members on the leadership council.
Anyway, that situation worked out excellently for us. We met once a week during the off-season and acted as basically captains and leaders. We didn't pick captains until closer to the season in the summer. The leadership council met once a week during off-season and we did leadership building activities. We discussed team expectations, read exerpts from Jeff Janssen's Team Captain's leadership manual, held others accountable, and were responsible if underclassmen were not doing what was expected of them.
It ended up creating an environment where almost all of our seniors had an ownership of our team and even when Captain's were officially named, they were not our only leaders. For instance, I was a captain and our only other Senior lineman was not. He however, played a great leadership role throughout the season as did I before I was named captain. We basically ended up with 11 captains from a leadership perspective. Also, we were responsible for deciding discipline of teammates within reason. That way the younger players did not have an "F*** coach for making me run" mentality. It was your teammates who made you run with the coaches backing. If you don't like it, you probably shouldn't be here.
I will say though that if you have a bunch of knuckleheads that make it onto your council, things could go south VERY quickly. You must have a strong head coach and solid individuals on the council.
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Post by wolfden12 on Feb 26, 2014 10:48:39 GMT -6
Lochness,
Didn't know you could post right on and all items/symbols would show up?
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Post by John Knight on Feb 26, 2014 12:46:00 GMT -6
don't use quick reply, click on the word reply then add an attachment like a ppt or word doc
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Post by wolfden12 on Feb 26, 2014 12:54:29 GMT -6
Thanks John.
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Post by wolfden12 on Feb 26, 2014 14:43:14 GMT -6
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Post by John Knight on Feb 26, 2014 19:17:56 GMT -6
no problem, thanks for posting!
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Post by nltdiego on Feb 26, 2014 23:52:44 GMT -6
Anybody have the application?
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Post by John Knight on Feb 27, 2014 6:20:26 GMT -6
You mean like this??
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Post by nltdiego on Feb 27, 2014 7:53:29 GMT -6
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Post by cecphillipsiii on Mar 16, 2014 10:03:34 GMT -6
Just offering a little input here...the best thing that we have ever come across came out of the letter that Mike Sherman wrote to the Texas High School Football Coaches upon his departure from Texas A&M. He talked about creating Battalions in that letter and this is what we did...much like some of the stuff discussed above. We accepted applications (general job apps) from our athletes who wished to participate on our Leadership Council. Once we received the apps, we called each individual in for an interview and asked him questions regarding leadership and we also gave them certain scenarios to see how, as a leader, they would handle them. From the interview process, we (coaches) selected "8" Battalion Leaders. From the 8 Battalion Leaders, our football team chose "3" Team Captains...we as coaches, would choose a fourth Friday Night Captain who was most deserving from the previous game or previous week of practice which could be anyone.
Back to the Battalion Leaders...once they are chosen, I bring them in and give them a copy of our roster. At that point, the Battalion Leaders draft their Battalion with the following understanding...this is the way it was explained to them...#1 if any member of your Battalion gets into any kind of trouble, we will deal with him individually the first time. The second time, the entire Battalion will pay. For example, if I get an email from a teacher about one of the members in their Battalions, I will deal with him first. If I get another email, I will deal with the entire Battalion. It really created the desire for them to keep each other in line. Therefore, each Battalion leader wants as many character kids in his Battalion as possible...not necessarily his best friend. Once each Battalion Leader has selected his Battalion, we give them their name (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo etc.). We also organize our locker room by Battalions as well and each Battalion has their own section...they don't choose lockers by their best friend or set in clicks. We also utilize the Battalions to help with certain duties...Examples: Alpha, you have locker room clean-up this week; Bravo, you are responsible for keeping the chains at Thursday nights JV game; Charlie, you are responsible for getting all of the field equipment out this week; Delta, you are responsible for putting up all field equipment this week etc. It has been one of the best things we have ever instituted.
You can google Mike Sherman's Letter to Texas High School Football Coaches and find a link to the letter.
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Post by kboyd on Mar 18, 2014 11:05:57 GMT -6
One of the best threads that I've read in awhile. Thanks for sharing guys, some great info.
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Post by zwagner on Mar 31, 2014 20:46:23 GMT -6
Can you email me this. I cannot get it to open.
zachary.wagner@mclean.kyschools.us
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Post by nltdiego on Apr 9, 2014 20:36:07 GMT -6
Did you guys have guidelines to being on the committee or council?
I was thinking GPA and no dent ions should be on there.
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Post by 42falcon on Apr 10, 2014 14:11:45 GMT -6
We don't have a criteria that is hard and fast. Interesting thing this year after our spring meeting I mentioned we would have the leadership committee again and I had 15 guys self select and stick around, you know what.... they were the right 15 guys it was very cool to see. Obviously there are a few others, but this is showing me that in year 2 the guys who should be stepping up are already stepping up.
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Post by nltdiego on Apr 10, 2014 18:12:43 GMT -6
Are you afraid though some of the 15 guys are turds? Guys that don't belong?
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Post by 42falcon on Apr 11, 2014 12:51:49 GMT -6
Not at all, obviously I might want to invite a few guys who didn't self select.
BUT there are obviously a group of guys who feel they should be leaders it's my job to model & educate them on what leadership looks like, and the type of leadership we want to see from our students.
For sure guys in this group are going to be a mix of sheep and sheep dogs. I want enough sheep dogs to control the sheep and minimize the other sheep dogs and enough sheep in that group to follow.
True story:
-in 2012 we had a group of kids think it was a smart idea to jump off a 15ft mezzanine onto a crash mat
-well as it turned out there was about 16 of them that did this a mix of G11 & 12's. Some kids who you would expect to be bone heads and some who we thought were "leaders"
-they all got caught....
-worst thing about: they ran away
What we want to happen that did not happen:
-"hey guys we should slide that mat over and jump off the mezzanine"
-don't be an idiot we are not doing that -we need more of those responses than the sheep who either join or turn around and walk out and do nothing.
That's the whole idea. Obviously some turd wants to / think he is a leader. He has taken the first step he has entertained the idea that he is a leader in some way. I truly think we are all leaders in some way someone looks to you maybe your kid at home, your girl friend a cousin a student or the little old lady who is trying to cross the busy street. Someone looks to you to do the right thing, sometimes some of us just need to be taught how to respond.
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Post by darin on Apr 13, 2014 12:14:39 GMT -6
Great resource is Jeff Jaansen's Leadership manual. We use this for our council. We have 2 position leaders represent. One upcoming junior & senior on the council; meet once a month in offseason & weeks of home games during season. Reps from DBS, DL, LB, OL, WR, RBs & QBs. We have them take Jaansen's leadership assessment, create a council leadership definition, adhere to that mission in offseason workouts, study confidence, place themselves on commitment continuum. A lot of great stuff in that manual. Worth the price! You get to learn a lot about players through this type of structure & our kids really take it seriously. We always meet at restaurants in community that support our program in order to "give back".
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Post by nltdiego on Apr 22, 2014 22:17:46 GMT -6
Anybody got interview (not application) questions to ask for the interview?
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Post by nltdiego on Jun 28, 2015 23:14:40 GMT -6
Does everybody still do this? Of so, do you wait til season or do it now?
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