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Post by brophy on Jan 20, 2014 8:03:11 GMT -6
it was a rather ridiculous episode, though probably not far removed from what 80% of the population believes what "real football" is about (particularly the middle aged guy watching NFL). Anyone else get the impression that the Broncos Coach Chavarria was a REMF pog?
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Post by silkyice on Jan 20, 2014 8:33:11 GMT -6
it was a rather ridiculous episode, though probably not far removed from what 80% of the population believes what "real football" is about (particularly the middle aged guy watching NFL). Anyone else get the impression that the Broncos Coach Chavarria was a REMF pog? What do you mean? I thought football coaching was just screaming and making kids throwup and making kids tough. I thought it was about giving inspiring pre-game speeches and miraculous halftime speeches when getting beat. I thought it was about coming up with some trickeration in the playbook.
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Post by rpetrie on Jan 20, 2014 8:34:59 GMT -6
I just watched the first 2min from Brophy's post....that's all I need to see. I asst. coach both of my boys' youth teams (8 & 10), as well as being the HC for our Varsity team. I haven't run across anything like this yet, but there are enough guys out there that believe in this bravado-first attitude that will kill our sport.
I never pushed my kids to play...it was their choice, but my concern over their experience is my primary reason for getting involved. If I see another coach doing this (and I have)...I will address them privately and have spoken to the President of our association about the image they want. Youth Coaches sometimes forget what should carry over. They ask me for playbooks...I give them drills...simple & safe drills. I have 2 formations, 3 run plays & 2 pass plays, with 2 defenses...that's it. They ask me for priorities...I say "have fun, participate & learn safe techniques. Winning at this level is not the priority. Even our JH program has struggled with Wins overall, but I have the fortunate situation where we take our numbers & split into 2 teams for increased participation. So instead of 60 kids splitting time over 5 quarters, we have 2 teams of 30 doing the same. Less talent per team, but the increased participation is what benefits us as a small-mid level school in our League. A Middle School dynasty does not equate to Varsity success...I need depth which equates to #'s of participants who enjoy the game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 20, 2014 10:34:04 GMT -6
I just watched the first 2min from Brophy's post....that's all I need to see. I asst. coach both of my boys' youth teams (8 & 10), as well as being the HC for our Varsity team. I haven't run across anything like this yet, but there are enough guys out there that believe in this bravado-first attitude that will kill our sport. I never pushed my kids to play...it was their choice, but my concern over their experience is my primary reason for getting involved. If I see another coach doing this (and I have)...I will address them privately and have spoken to the President of our association about the image they want. Youth Coaches sometimes forget what should carry over. They ask me for playbooks...I give them drills...simple & safe drills. I have 2 formations, 3 run plays & 2 pass plays, with 2 defenses...that's it. They ask me for priorities...I say "have fun, participate & learn safe techniques. Winning at this level is not the priority. Even our JH program has struggled with Wins overall, but I have the fortunate situation where we take our numbers & split into 2 teams for increased participation. So instead of 60 kids splitting time over 5 quarters, we have 2 teams of 30 doing the same. Less talent per team, but the increased participation is what benefits us as a small-mid level school in our League. A Middle School dynasty does not equate to Varsity success...I need depth which equates to #'s of participants who enjoy the game. I agree with everything here EXCEPT the section I highlighted. This point comes up a great deal, and unless that person works directly for you, AND YOU (as the HS Header) are the name associated with the performance of the youth or jr high teams, I think it is kind of hypocritical to think "Varsity (my level) is the one that is important, and everything below it should be dedicated to supporting it". I think it is an acceptable mindset for frosh/jv ball, because those players are only 1/2 years away from being a part of varsity, AND the Varsity HC is generally accepted as the responsible party for those teams as well. I think you will find many of the coaches that frequent the youth section do a GREAT job of showing that having fun, and participation are not mutually exclusive with winning. I WOULD say that there are some coaches who try to WIN as opposed to fun and participation--and some lame coaches do a horrible job of recognizing that in themselves.
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Post by pirate1590 on Jan 20, 2014 11:03:08 GMT -6
I just watched it... I was embarrassed for the coaches. Especially that junior broncos coach aka Greg schiano junior doesn't need to be around kids for as long as he lives, everything he said was on the lines of child abuse/flat out ignorance. I actually found both sets of parents to be pretty good people and good parents(!). Especially big j or whatever his name was. Seemed like his parents were really good people. The predators coach was a good coach, this sadly to a lesser extent sums up many leagues.. Most leagues of 15 teams have 3 good coaches 5 ok coaches and 7 coaches that just are in it for their kid or don't have a clue. We can all relate to that as coaches and parents
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jan 20, 2014 20:50:27 GMT -6
I THOUGHT I sent this before (and if I did, I apologize) but I think it would be exceptional if the Texas High school Football association (because the show is set in TX correct) and the AFCA both condemned the show, and the adults in it . As I watched some of the footage, I found myself fighting off thoughts of wanting to "lay hands on" many of the coaches I watched. However, I've grown to know that "the pen is mightier than the sword." I sent a brief, yet respectful note urging each of the organizations listed below to address the content on this show. I don't normally do this, but I feel strongly enough about this topic that I want my voice heard on this matter. It may not make a bit of difference, but at least I can say I tried. Email Links to the respective sites: (edit) It looks at if you have to cut and paste the email address to your own email provider. info@afca.com
D.W. Rutledge, Executive Director (THSCA) dwrutledge@thsca.com
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 20, 2014 21:48:15 GMT -6
Im not sure D. W. (THSCA) has anything to do with those youth organizations. Maybe he's listed in the credits simply because someone from the production company spoke with him about something related to football in Texas. Knowing him, he isn't one to endorse coaching methods like those.
In fact, I will be at THSCA headquarters Wednesday and, if I can remember, I will ask him about it.
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Post by coachbowlin on Jan 20, 2014 21:52:50 GMT -6
Im not sure D. W. (THSCA) has anything to do with those youth organizations. Maybe he's listed in the credits simply because someone from the production company spoke with him about something related to football in Texas. Knowing him, he isn't one to endorse coaching methods like those. In fact, I will be at THSCA headquarters Wednesday and, if I can remember, I will ask him about it. I hope you can remember. This show is a joke, and it gives the real good coaches at just about any level a bad rep. This show will hurt football more than anything. Maybe, he can do something.
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Post by rpetrie on Jan 20, 2014 22:37:41 GMT -6
I just watched the first 2min from Brophy's post....that's all I need to see. I asst. coach both of my boys' youth teams (8 & 10), as well as being the HC for our Varsity team. I haven't run across anything like this yet, but there are enough guys out there that believe in this bravado-first attitude that will kill our sport. I never pushed my kids to play...it was their choice, but my concern over their experience is my primary reason for getting involved. If I see another coach doing this (and I have)...I will address them privately and have spoken to the President of our association about the image they want. Youth Coaches sometimes forget what should carry over. They ask me for playbooks...I give them drills...simple & safe drills. I have 2 formations, 3 run plays & 2 pass plays, with 2 defenses...that's it. They ask me for priorities...I say "have fun, participate & learn safe techniques. Winning at this level is not the priority. Even our JH program has struggled with Wins overall, but I have the fortunate situation where we take our numbers & split into 2 teams for increased participation. So instead of 60 kids splitting time over 5 quarters, we have 2 teams of 30 doing the same. Less talent per team, but the increased participation is what benefits us as a small-mid level school in our League. A Middle School dynasty does not equate to Varsity success...I need depth which equates to #'s of participants who enjoy the game. I agree with everything here EXCEPT the section I highlighted. This point comes up a great deal, and unless that person works directly for you, AND YOU (as the HS Header) are the name associated with the performance of the youth or jr high teams, I think it is kind of hypocritical to think "Varsity (my level) is the one that is important, and everything below it should be dedicated to supporting it". I think it is an acceptable mindset for frosh/jv ball, because those players are only 1/2 years away from being a part of varsity, AND the Varsity HC is generally accepted as the responsible party for those teams as well. I think you will find many of the coaches that frequent the youth section do a GREAT job of showing that having fun, and participation are not mutually exclusive with winning. I WOULD say that there are some coaches who try to WIN as opposed to fun and participation--and some lame coaches do a horrible job of recognizing that in themselves. Yes...it is my program and I do set the expectations for all levels of the program 7th Grade/Up. I do not come down on the JH staff if they are not winning because they are dealing with a "half-stocked" team. In other words I don't want them going in with a "win at all costs" approach. Teach our system, use our drills, teach our techniques & "attempt" to develop depth. This year the 2 teams went 1-5 & 3-3. If together they were easily a 5-1 or 6-0 group, but kids received +60% more snaps...to me that makes a big difference. I now have 4 at most positions for both 7th & 8th grade groups.
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Post by footballscout on Jan 20, 2014 22:53:10 GMT -6
Coach, I really like the two team approach that you are using. Beneficial to the kids now, and the program tomorrow.
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Post by davecisar on Jan 22, 2014 11:10:42 GMT -6
I did a coaches clinic for about 5,000 of the TYFA coaches back in 2012 and I also interviewed the Executive Producer of the show. Did an extensive article about it on my blog. I know some of the admins fairly well and have had several conversations with the show's producer.
TYFA is a very competitive youth football league of about 25,000 kids in Texas from Austin- Houston- Rio Grande Valley. Huge league.
The show shows some very inappropriate coaching and parenting, it's not what the majority of TYFA or youth football is like. However is does play to the perceptions of many, unfortunately.
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Post by windigo on Feb 10, 2014 17:46:48 GMT -6
I really think that the show us using the horrific Bronco's coach to create a false narrative. Use him a lot and sprinkle some missteps by the other coaches and boom everyone is bad.
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Post by dshanko67 on Feb 10, 2014 18:40:42 GMT -6
Maybe this was already said, but last week on ABC world news two of those coaches got suspended. The Broncos coach and the coach of the Colts
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Post by 2adaysfootballcom on Feb 10, 2014 19:31:28 GMT -6
I couldn't even make it through a full episode.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 10, 2014 21:49:12 GMT -6
ive already had parents tell me they will not play because they are worried about this....
this is the kind of crap that destroys our game.
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