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Post by 42falcon on Jan 9, 2014 15:44:33 GMT -6
Hey guys quick question just to make sure I'm not losing my mind...
I'm the HC and recently moving over to run our O, I've been talking with some of our coaches to take over as DC. Today I had one of our coaches say : you have the final say on coaches but Coach X isn't on my staff...
Last time I checked I pick to staff no matter who the coordinator right?
Just want to make sure I'm not being overly control freakish
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Post by CS on Jan 9, 2014 15:50:47 GMT -6
I would say so, however, if that coordinator doesn't like that other coach you could be running into an issue. So just do what you feel is the right thing.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 9, 2014 16:52:31 GMT -6
I have a couple guys on my staff who don't work/relate well with others on the staff. I give them separate positions to coach and try to limit their exposure to each other. I have a few guys on my staff that I don't particularly like, but they do a good job so I limit their power and limit my time with them.
I think you're always going to have that if you get a group of people together that's big enough.
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Post by coach2013 on Jan 9, 2014 17:09:52 GMT -6
I cant relate to this at all. I hire everyone one staff and no coordinator would ever have a chance to say "my staff"- one of the most important things, this has to be fun for me. Im working my tail off and I expect to have a group of professionals that have some chemistry and can be around each other, working their tails off and having some fun in the process.
You losing your mind? no, but maybe control. IF you have a guy on staff with this attitude, you need to get everyone together and have an "airing of grievances" meeting and youll figure out if youre better off without one or two guys. Just my opinion. Last thing you want on your resume about your reputation is a couple of knuckleheads fighting.
now, our staff is probably much smaller than yours too.
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Post by bluboy on Jan 9, 2014 17:20:55 GMT -6
I guess we are lucky in that the everyone on the entire staff likes each other and we are really close. No issues as far as who is coaching what or who has what title. The HC picks the staff and tell each member what position he is coaching.
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Post by fantom on Jan 9, 2014 17:40:56 GMT -6
Hey guys quick question just to make sure I'm not losing my mind... I'm the HC and recently moving over to run our O, I've been talking with some of our coaches to take over as DC. Today I had one of our coaches say : you have the final say on coaches but Coach X isn't on my staff... Last time I checked I pick to staff no matter who the coordinator right? Just want to make sure I'm not being overly control freakish The HC does pick the staff and the assistants don't make the decisions BUT I'd listen if a coordinator really doesn't want a guy. If it's personal, well, too bad (although it may pay to listen to his complaint). If he has a problem with the guy's coaching I'd want to know why. |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jan 9, 2014 18:36:12 GMT -6
Hey guys quick question just to make sure I'm not losing my mind... I'm the HC and recently moving over to run our O, I've been talking with some of our coaches to take over as DC. Today I had one of our coaches say : you have the final say on coaches but Coach X isn't on my staff... Last time I checked I pick to staff no matter who the coordinator right? Just want to make sure I'm not being overly control freakish Coach, not to get too nosy, but can you give a little insight to what the issue might be that the "my staff" coach has? |
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Post by 42falcon on Jan 9, 2014 20:15:00 GMT -6
You bet. The guy that 2 of our coaches have an issue with is pretty vocal if he screws up he wants to hear about it if u screw up he has no issue saying it.
Very much a high standards guy who wears it on his sleeve. Other guys are more diplomatic so to speak. I'm also about 20 years younger than these other 2 guys so there is an element of ageism.
The coach people have an issue with is one of our best technical coaches former university coach (coached me)
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Post by scotdaking on Jan 10, 2014 0:03:20 GMT -6
This is a head scratcher. For a coaching staff to be effective you must all be on the same page. I don't see how staffs can do anything but self destruct otherwise. I am not saying you want a bunch of "yes" men but there should be cohesiveness among the staff. You should all be in agreement on the offensive, defensive, and special teams philosophy. You should all speak with one voice. If there are one or two guys who are not of this ilk they should find another place to coach where the staff is more agreeable with their thought process. You don't want dissention and that's what will happen if you're not winning. Instead of fixing what's wrong as one unit you will spend precious time arguing and fighting. You should know in the off-season if your staff as it exists can work together during times of adversity and have fun together. If you're not convinced it will work by the off-season best to nip in the bud then. Coaching football is supposed to be an enjoyable experience.
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Post by newhope on Jan 10, 2014 8:00:18 GMT -6
Obviously, you're the head coach and what you say goes with staff. Age shouldn't be an issue. However, as a head coach, you have to deal with staff members who may not get along and some how make it all work. That may by giving them space from space from one another (can they coach opposite sides of the ball?), but it may just be sitting them down and saying "this is what we're going to do" and making them understand that if they are going to work together on your staff they are going to have to put their differences aside--at least outside the coaches office.
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Post by tchestovich on Jan 10, 2014 8:09:57 GMT -6
I would think that "airing" out the differences between the two coaches would be beneficial for not only them but the entire staff. I have been in situations where there were two separate factions of coaches and it doesn't do the staff any good to work like that. It was really stressful on the HC and in each situation one or more coaches left. It was the best thing for the program. Sometimes just hearing what the problem is can make the person relfelct and understand the other persons point of view. As they say if they don't know what the problem is they surely can't work on it or fix it.
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Post by coachbw on Jan 10, 2014 8:11:13 GMT -6
Hey guys quick question just to make sure I'm not losing my mind... I'm the HC and recently moving over to run our O, I've been talking with some of our coaches to take over as DC. Today I had one of our coaches say : you have the final say on coaches but Coach X isn't on my staff... Last time I checked I pick to staff no matter who the coordinator right? Just want to make sure I'm not being overly control freakish You are correct that you should have the final call, however, your original post makes it seem that this might have occurred within the context of an interview type of setting. I think it is absolutely fair for someone who is considering taking a coordinator spot to say that he doesn't want someone in a particular role on his side of the ball. Then I think it is the head coaches job to prioritize how badly he wants that person as a coordinator. I just don't see this as the same situation as a coordinator coming to the head coach after a year and saying "so and so has to go." I see it more as a candidate for a job saying I will do this job as long as this coach isn't on the defensive staff. |
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Post by jhanawa on Jan 10, 2014 9:20:32 GMT -6
I'd look at what is the best fit for the team. If a position coach isn't the best guy for the job at that particular position, then he should be moved to another position for the benefit of the team- regardless of his feelings or your personal relationship with him- team first. If its a personal/chemistry issue between the two assistants, then air it out and bury the hatchet. They need to set aside their differences for the benefit of the team.
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Post by 42falcon on Jan 10, 2014 9:34:08 GMT -6
Hey guys quick question just to make sure I'm not losing my mind... I'm the HC and recently moving over to run our O, I've been talking with some of our coaches to take over as DC. Today I had one of our coaches say : you have the final say on coaches but Coach X isn't on my staff... Last time I checked I pick to staff no matter who the coordinator right? Just want to make sure I'm not being overly control freakish You are correct that you should have the final call, however, your original post makes it seem that this might have occurred within the context of an interview type of setting. I think it is absolutely fair for someone who is considering taking a coordinator spot to say that he doesn't want someone in a particular role on his side of the ball. Then I think it is the head coaches job to prioritize how badly he wants that person as a coordinator. I just don't see this as the same situation as a coordinator coming to the head coach after a year and saying "so and so has to go." I see it more as a candidate for a job saying I will do this job as long as this coach isn't on the defensive staff. Oh agreed on this point for sure. It was a discussion this coach was not our DC last year he was on staff and we were having a discussion around him being our DC. He has since lined things up in his personal and professional life so that he can say he is ready for the role. So yes it was a discussion but my thought process after the fact was am I wrong to want to have control over who is one staff and where. Just because someone doesn't feel they "like" the other person is it wise to sacrifice a quality intelligent coach for some young kid who is keen and happy to be there but doesn't know is head from his feet. That is my comment to our potential DC he felt that he could coach up the coach. So we will discuss some more but at some point it is not a discussion any more. Just wanted to bounce that off of the group on here and see how the staff is picked where they are at is all. |
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Post by coachbb on Jan 10, 2014 10:19:41 GMT -6
Guess you just have to make a judgment call since you are familiar with the personalities involved.
Its not the DC's staff, its yours. Is there a good reason that the potential DC doesn't want a particular individual on the defensive side of the ball? Might want to figure out why he makes that statement (maybe there has been a serious conflict in the past, or the DC is afraid of another individual cutting his nuts off, etc). A statement like that would already raise a red flag with me about this potential DC's loyalty and professionalism.
Do you feel that this type of thing is going to be a recurring problem? If so, then this individual is going to cause you more headaches down the road and doesn't need to be a DC. If you don't believe this is going to be a recurring issue, then look at finding a way to shuffle your staff.
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Post by joelee on Jan 10, 2014 10:42:25 GMT -6
The way you have explained it I wouldn't choose the guy who said "my staff" to be the DC. Like others said you might need to have a meeting to get some of this out in the open and you may need one or 2 fewer coaches.
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Post by coachbowlin on Jan 15, 2014 10:34:50 GMT -6
As the Head Coach, you would think I would have the opportunity to pick my staff. However, my staff was picked by the board and the Headmaster without even allowing me to have a say in it. This lead to a hostile environment because the two staff members that were hired, did not like me, and wanted to conspire behind my back with game planning and talking trash about me to my student-athletes.
If I'm still at this school after this year, I will be having a meeting with the Headmaster and going to the Board meeting and stating I don't want them back next season. No team can be successful if the coaches do not work as a team. Coaches set the standard for the team.
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