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Post by dacoachmo on Nov 18, 2006 9:10:44 GMT -6
If money was not and issue what program would you use?
plus, How does PROSCOUT make money??
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Post by phantom on Nov 18, 2006 11:41:01 GMT -6
You may want to also consider Apex.
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Post by knight9299 on Nov 18, 2006 11:52:47 GMT -6
If money is no object: LRS!
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Post by dacoachmo on Nov 18, 2006 13:00:22 GMT -6
We have both right now...but do we pay for the DSV upgrade?
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Post by sls on Nov 18, 2006 14:46:52 GMT -6
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Post by Mav on Nov 18, 2006 16:43:04 GMT -6
Why go for the DSV upgrade? Most salemen will make it seem like you MUST pay the annual fee for ugrades, but if you don't need any of the new features, save your money and use your existing version for as long as you want.
btw - We've checked out all of the major systems, DSV, Proscout, Apex, Webb, LRS, CoahcComm, etc We thought DSV was the best overall system. The re-written Proscout is getting close to having all the same features. Proscouts next release should be even closer to DSV... but if you've already invested time/learning and money with DSV, I'd stay with it.
Proscout makes their money by selling access to the game video to the players. They can make their own cutups, highlights, or complete game copies. It's a pretty interesting, albeit unproven, business model. Instead of charging the school/team $3-5,000 upfront for a copy of their software, they give the software to each team and charge the players an annual subscription.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 18, 2006 18:45:17 GMT -6
DSV
DSV
DSV
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Post by toprowguy on Nov 19, 2006 10:05:12 GMT -6
How about the landro system? Its very popular in PA. Were looking at getting a new system.
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Post by amikell on Nov 19, 2006 10:08:11 GMT -6
isn't andro illegal? just kidding. We're looking at getting a system too, but we're limited w/ our budget. do you think it would be best to get a good computer system and the free proscout, spend the money on a reconditioned landro, or get DSV or another of the high end systems?
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 19, 2006 11:08:54 GMT -6
Ami - Landro is an overdone Tivo. Give me a holler and I'll set you free!!!
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Post by sls on Nov 19, 2006 12:20:26 GMT -6
isn't andro illegal? just kidding. We're looking at getting a system too, but we're limited w/ our budget. do you think it would be best to get a good computer system and the free proscout, spend the money on a reconditioned landro, or get DSV or another of the high end systems? IF you are on a budget, get a decent computer and the free Proscout, if you don't like Proscout then you still have the good computer which you will need for any system. I would love DSV, but the cost makes it unrealistic. Proscout has really come a long way in the past year. There has not been anything that I wanted that it could not do.
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coachy
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Post by coachy on Nov 19, 2006 18:23:26 GMT -6
We just upgraded to ProScout 5.0 We have really enjoyed ProScout 4.1 but the upgrade is totally different. Does anybody have the manual for 5.0?
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Post by dacoachmo on Nov 19, 2006 19:02:25 GMT -6
No manual, just tech support or try the help menu?
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Post by bark77dc on Nov 19, 2006 19:10:52 GMT -6
LRS has my vote. Knight9299 likes to use my system in his spare time
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Post by guillaume on Nov 19, 2006 19:54:30 GMT -6
" IF you are on a budget, get a decent computer and the free Proscout"Coach, i went on the proscout site and didn't find anything about it being free.
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Post by sls on Nov 19, 2006 20:34:38 GMT -6
" IF you are on a budget, get a decent computer and the free Proscout"Coach, i went on the proscout site and didn't find anything about it being free. I believe that it is the donation program mentioned on the homepage. I am virtually positive they are still giving it away. Send them an email. Sales@ProscoutVideo.com
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jwp
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Post by jwp on Nov 19, 2006 20:45:49 GMT -6
There really is no comparison to DSV, I have used both, ProScout is in the Dark Ages.
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coachy
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Post by coachy on Nov 19, 2006 21:07:51 GMT -6
If you want it for free, just send them an Email. You will need to spend some money to get a computer that will run it. I think our booster club spent $1,200 on a computer from Dell.
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Post by Mav on Nov 19, 2006 21:25:09 GMT -6
There really is no comparison to DSV, I have used both, ProScout is in the Dark Ages. DSV is still the best out there IMHO and everyone else is playing catchup, but...Have you looked at Proscout 5 vs DSV? The difference is really pretty minimal. I'd really like to know specifcally what you think is in the dark ages with Proscout. All the video editing software for football is very simple - 1)capture(this feature already comes free with Windows) 2)create clips for each play-- virtually every app now does this automatically 3) Add play/clip data such as down, distance, formation, play, result, etc. They all seem to do this timeconsuming phase similarily. 4) reports - this is where DSV does a better job -- with more visual reports. 5) video output/cutups - DSV has quite a few options here(wmv, dvd, vhs, avi), but Proscout and others will have all of these formats very soon.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 19, 2006 21:42:37 GMT -6
what i like about dsv vs others is that on the capture, dsv actually captures each play as a separate file rather than the whole game as a file. this is what makes the cut-up features so much more diverse with dsv. when i capture game using dsv it is actually 150 files (or however many plays there are -- i.e. how many times you started/stopped the camera) in the folder. other programs capture the game as one large file
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Post by Mav on Nov 19, 2006 21:59:03 GMT -6
what i like about dsv vs others is that on the capture, dsv actually captures each play as a separate file rather than the whole game as a file. this is what makes the cut-up features so much more diverse with dsv. when i capture game using dsv it is actually 150 files (or however many plays there are -- i.e. how many times you started/stopped the camera) in the folder. other programs capture the game as one large file Honestly, they all do this now(item #2 from above). 1-2 years ago this was an exclusive feature of DSV, but most have this now. DSV is the leader - the come up with a leading edge feature like this, then everyone quickly copies them. This is typical of how the software industry operates. The real question for the future is will DSV continue to develop new 'have to have' features for their app. If they don't, video editing for football will become a commodity and whoever has the deepest pockets will win (and the software will become stagnant - see Microsoft...) Let's all hope DSV will continue to innovate and other competitors will copy and push them.
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jwp
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Post by jwp on Nov 20, 2006 14:51:43 GMT -6
DSV pros: multi user system Offensive/Defensive database Live Capture Export breakdown and ODK data for trade or storage
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Post by coachgeiser on Nov 20, 2006 19:58:05 GMT -6
I heard the other day that ProScout was going out of business. This could be a rumor, but I got it from a pretty reliable coach who uses ProScout exclusively. Coach Geiser
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Post by sls on Nov 20, 2006 20:20:54 GMT -6
I will find that out.
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edison
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Post by edison on Nov 21, 2006 5:50:57 GMT -6
Them going out of business is just a rumor. I spent 45 min. on the phone with one of the sales/support guys yesterday and asked him about it. He said that they are just behind in programming and a coach had took that as meaning they are done. They will be around. Also, for anybody using Proscout did you get onee of the usb remotes they now sell. I know they areound $500 and I just want to see how it is working. Any insight would be appreicated.
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Post by coachgeiser on Nov 21, 2006 6:55:32 GMT -6
Edison, I hope you are right. I use ProScout, and I am pretty happy with it. I am also curious as to how the remotes work. The cowboy remote was too expensive, and Proscout suggested the USB remote. I really need something with a slow forward and slow reverse button. Please let me know if you hear anything about these remotes Coach Geiser
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Post by Mav on Nov 21, 2006 8:28:41 GMT -6
Them going out of business is just a rumor. I spent 45 min. on the phone with one of the sales/support guys yesterday and asked him about it. He said that they are just behind in programming and a coach had took that as meaning they are done. They will be around. Also, for anybody using Proscout did you get onee of the usb remotes they now sell. I know they areound $500 and I just want to see how it is working. Any insight would be appreicated. Every couple of months there's rumors about editing companies going out of business. Last season it was LRS and Apex who were constant victims of the rumor mill. $500+ for any remote control is outragous. Here's the $40 remote we've used with Proscout for the last couple of seasons - www.keyspan.com/products/usb/urm17a/homepage.spmlYou simply tell the remote which keys are used for controlling the video - (Proscout has ' for fastforward, ; for fast reverse, etc) works flawlessly.
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edison
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Post by edison on Nov 30, 2006 10:48:47 GMT -6
Coach Geiser,
I just got the remote from Proscout (commando) and it works great. Did cost $500 but it works just like the "cowboy" remote. Connects through usv and it has a laser pointer on it. Good investment because we watch so much video off of the computer it makes it alot easier.
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coachaldridge
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The height of your accomplishments will equal the depth of your convictions. - William F. Scolavino
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Post by coachaldridge on Dec 2, 2006 17:05:10 GMT -6
We have the older version of Pro Scout Video (4.1) but this year I was not able to learn to use it. Is the new version everyone is talking about free also? How could I go about getting them to send me a copy of it?
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Post by sls on Dec 2, 2006 17:46:26 GMT -6
On friday Proscout swore that they are not going bankrupt.
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