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Post by utchuckd on Nov 4, 2013 15:38:28 GMT -6
Due to previous regimes not keeping up a good inventory rotation we are having to replace pretty much all of our helmets. From current research I can get the best price on the Schutt Recruit Hybrid. But for just a few dollars more we could get the Vengeance, and man is that thing sweet. The good news is our school system is picking up the tab for them, the bad news is I kind of have to restrain myself and get the best value instead of the eye candy. Or kick in the difference from my account. Drool.  |
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Post by texasstyle on Nov 5, 2013 21:53:52 GMT -6
We use Schutt exclusively, because we never have to fix helmets during the game. Riddell are good helmets but seem to lose a screw or break a piece at just the wrong time. We have about 20 of the vengeance helmets. Kids loved them.
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 5, 2013 23:27:24 GMT -6
I'm looking Into them
Our whole varsity has Revo speeds and we have had way less concussion issues than when we had regular Revos
But the vengeance is way cheaper, one vendor has quoted me almost $100 a helmet less than what we are paying for speeds right now
Is it comparable to the Revo speed ?
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Post by joris85 on Nov 6, 2013 5:52:05 GMT -6
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 6, 2013 8:10:58 GMT -6
We're looking at the Vengeance Hybrid for middle school level, so they're about a third of the cost of the top end helmets. Don't know how they compare to the Riddells.
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Post by casec11 on Nov 15, 2013 13:40:48 GMT -6
from this, looks like the rawlings advantage is good value |
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Post by kwiknva on Dec 16, 2013 11:24:30 GMT -6
My boys have used Schutt XP's over the last 3 seasons. My oldest switch to a 360 and was ok with it. He only complained about the bonnet style liner was hotter than his Schutt. ( it's heavy too) I would still lean towards Schutt only because you can upgrade the a facemask to Titanium, Riddell doesn't offer this. Titanium on a youth player makes a huge difference. Both my boys have Titanium on their XP's. I think next season we will try an Vengeance. Our middle boy will be a 7th grader at 77lbs. He will benefit from lighter Schutts/Titanium combo. Just note Riddell's Speeds , 360's, Edges, are all heavy compared to Schutts. Riddell Attacks are the very light, but I would recommend them for Middle school on up.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 16, 2013 17:50:09 GMT -6
What's the supposed advantage of a titanium facemask?
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 16, 2013 17:50:34 GMT -6
What's the supposed advantage of a titanium facemask?
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 16, 2013 18:46:05 GMT -6
What's the supposed advantage of a titanium facemask? I've always preferred adamantium personally |
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Post by texasstyle on Dec 17, 2013 12:07:41 GMT -6
What's the supposed advantage of a titanium facemask? Titanium grills are super light. They are just a little bit flexible too which makes them stronger and more durable, supposedly. But are they worth the extra $50? That's for you to decide I guess. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 17, 2013 14:45:48 GMT -6
Lighter than moulded plastic?
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 17, 2013 14:50:52 GMT -6
Lighter than moulded plastic? Remember those plastic facemasks from the mid 90's that were used in Necessary Roughness? I remember those things, they went out of style in about a week. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards |
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Post by texasstyle on Dec 17, 2013 18:57:23 GMT -6
We don't see molded plastic in our part of the world, didn't know they were still in existence. Saw one shatter and cut up a kids face in a JH game once. But I suspect that yeah, they are lighter than, or as light as, molded plastic. But I was really comparing them to the rubber coated metal ones we see most often.
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Post by CoachDP on Dec 26, 2013 20:26:47 GMT -6
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 26, 2013 20:51:59 GMT -6
We don't see molded plastic in our part of the world, didn't know they were still in existence. Saw one shatter and cut up a kids face in a JH game once. But I suspect that yeah, they are lighter than, or as light as, molded plastic. But I was really comparing them to the rubber coated metal ones we see most often. Titanium is definitely lighter than rubber coated steel but there is no way it's lighter than hdpe or thermoresin. They should never shatter like that within their intended use, but I don't believe that they're indemnified for HS players. They're appropriate for youth players who basically just need bumpers. |
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Post by texasstyle on Dec 26, 2013 21:11:30 GMT -6
We don't see molded plastic in our part of the world, didn't know they were still in existence. Saw one shatter and cut up a kids face in a JH game once. But I suspect that yeah, they are lighter than, or as light as, molded plastic. But I was really comparing them to the rubber coated metal ones we see most often. Titanium is definitely lighter than rubber coated steel but there is no way it's lighter than hdpe or thermoresin. They should never shatter like that within their intended use, but I don't believe that they're indemnified for HS players. They're appropriate for youth players who basically just need bumpers. You asked. I gave you my best answer. Not that important to me. So you win. Stick with plastic. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 26, 2013 21:23:04 GMT -6
Sorry, didn't mean to come off as a jerk, just checking my numbers. I think plastic is fine for youth kids, titanium seems like an expense that isn't needed at that age. Heck, I don't think most equipment is needed for 7 year old kids to slowly bump into one another confusedly. If money were no issue then titanium would be a good investment for older players.
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Post by texasstyle on Dec 27, 2013 7:10:40 GMT -6
No problem. You didn't come off as a jerk. But you obviously have more knowledge about youth football. Unfortunately, in my state we can have no contact with the youth leagues. If you work with youth programs, you deserve way more respect than any of us can give you, anyway. I agree with everything you say. I can't imagine 7 year olds busting up very much equipment.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 27, 2013 23:10:58 GMT -6
No problem. You didn't come off as a jerk. But you obviously have more knowledge about youth football. Unfortunately, in my state we can have no contact with the youth leagues. If you work with youth programs, you deserve way more respect than any of us can give you, anyway. I agree with everything you say. I can't imagine 7 year olds busting up very much equipment. I got my start with the little guys, not quite 7 but 10-12. Now I work with much older players, if no more mature sometimes. |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jan 3, 2014 14:37:46 GMT -6
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Post by kwiknva on Jan 8, 2014 15:36:37 GMT -6
Sorry, didn't mean to come off as a jerk, just checking my numbers. I think plastic is fine for youth kids, titanium seems like an expense that isn't needed at that age. Heck, I don't think most equipment is needed for 7 year old kids to slowly bump into one another confusedly. If money were no issue then titanium would be a good investment for older players. |
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Post by kwiknva on Jan 8, 2014 16:27:30 GMT -6
Unfortunately, the cost of Titanium is high. However, being a parent first then coach. We took our chiropractors recommendation to lighten up the weight on our boys necks to help minimize a neck injury such as whiplash. Anything is better than nothing. Money is no object to my wife when it comes to the safety of our boys. So, if the older boy gets it so do the younger ones. I actually had my best player go down 2 seasons ago with neck injury wear a Riddell Edge. Very scary when the trainer ask for transport to the ER. Very thankful we have certified trainers from the local Univ. at all our games. I wish all youth leagues had certified trainers and the resources to outfit their kids with the same equipment the top level college and pro's wear. I'm hoping that in the near future our league will upgrade all our helmets (600 kids) to the Riddell's SRS and Insite systems. This will be a tool our current trainers can use to monitor players. www.riddell.com/innovationSo, I guess to the response that expense isn't needed at that age. I think our league is making a statement that money won't be the one thing preventing use from protecting our kids. Our parents are very supportive of the trainers and the safety program that is in place. I understand that majority of the youth leagues money is a issue. So I hope that what we are doing will open up doors for Companies. like Riddell, Under Amour, Schutt, to be able to work with all youth programs (not just those with money) to get them the gear they need to be safe. We are non profit but it has taken 30 plus years to get to this point. We current have a few big sponsors that help us with equipment and always looking for more. As far as an investment. Per a Schutt sales rep the Titanium facemask isn't the best investment especially for high school. Because the Titanium has a very thin rubber coating vs a standard steel or stainless facemask. So, the pro's and college teams generally swap a facemask every game if not every other game due to all the bare metal that is exposed. My youngest doesn't hit anything really and took a chunk off his, most likely from doing up downs I'm sure. lol So, as a youth league we wouldn't invest in titanium due to the lack of longevity. I do remember the old plastic facemask. Obsolete for reason and ugly! |
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