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Post by Yash on Oct 23, 2013 11:19:44 GMT -6
Guys, I know that I will never have the biggest kids in the world but this year, and past years, I'm disappointed in the amount of kids that I have that will fight tooth and nail until the last whistle sounds. How do you create kids that aren't afraid of anything and willing to compete.
My question to you is what kind of drills and competitions do you have on, but more importantly off the field that make kids compete one on one against each other with a clear winner and loser.
One example would be the old stick wrestling with a PVC pipe or shortened broom handle. Both kids grip it with both hands and try to make the end of the pipe touch the body of the other kid. First one to get hit with the end of the pipe loses.
I need more examples of these types of competitions that cost very little and create competition.
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Post by coachphillip on Oct 23, 2013 11:44:36 GMT -6
King of the Ring (Hoop Drill): two players try to knock each other out of a hoop from a stance.
Towel drill: two players hold a towel by each end. One has to take it from the other. Those are the only rules.
Tug of war: Classic.
Oklahoma: always good.
1v1: pass pro v rush, deep fade vs CB, etc.
Add a stopwatch to any drill to see who the fastest kid is.
A little negative reinforcement: a mistake is 5 push-ups.
A lot of positive reinforcement: tee shirt for player of the week, powerade for best practice player, chips for the best scout player, otter pops for the fastest defensive group in pursuit drill.
Stress winning but stay positive. At first, talk up every win you can find. Keep your competitive fire up sessions short and intense. Leave them wanting more. End sessions on a good note. Be enthusiastic and authentic about things you want them to be passionate about. Lastly, coffee's for closers.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 23, 2013 11:49:07 GMT -6
My all-time favorite is one of the board drill progressions
Very similar to Oklahoma, but in my opinion better.
Two kids, with hands locked up under each other's arm pits, face to face, wide based, feet on either side of a 6inch wide by 4 foot long board.
On cadence, they try to drive each other back (think reverse tug of war). First player to be driven behind the board looses.
Starting in a 3-point and doing an Oklahoma is good...but I think kids need to understand it's not just a single hit and get off the block. It's an aggressive, drive your man back mentality that I believe builds a poodle into a pitbull.
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 23, 2013 12:04:12 GMT -6
Find a competitive woman and a competitive man and whammmoo...
Play up competition as much as possible, build excitement around it even if it means faking it until you make it.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 23, 2013 19:38:11 GMT -6
Tire tugs, either regular car tires or go big with tractor tires
Tractor tire flip races
Weight room man v man max rep in anything
Sock wrestling
Sumo wrestling
Reverse sumo wrestling
Get off your belly and the ultimate get off your back
Really it is up to imagination, but the key is get the kids to consider that practice is the fruition, not just playing the game.
We all played game as kids; football, baseball, basketball, dodgeball, smear the queer, capture the flag, freeze tag, kick back, horse, mumbly peg, etc..... And on and on. Kids today do the same thing, play games. Rarely if ever do they practice to play that game, just like most of us never practiced for just playing a 'game'.
We have to get these kids, much like in our past, to realize that the PRACTICE is the act that brings about the fruition, and that then leads to the game.
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Post by brophy on Oct 23, 2013 23:26:35 GMT -6
How to make competitive kids?
Compete!
*throughout the off season in everything.
The off season is practice for regular season practice.
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Post by Yash on Oct 24, 2013 5:39:00 GMT -6
Right, I know we need to compete. I need simple competitions that we can do each day so that the same push up competition to failure doesn't get boring. What are some drills and outside of practice things that are competitive and fun.
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Post by smfreeman on Oct 24, 2013 5:56:52 GMT -6
Having the same problem with rebuilding a program at my current school. I believe you have to really work on it in the off season and honestly it takes time to change the culture of your team. I believe you have to change it with kids who have been in the program for a while and really have pride.
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Post by realdawg on Oct 24, 2013 10:48:30 GMT -6
Make everything a competition, especially in your speed and strength offseason work. Reward winners or punish losers.
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Post by Yash on Oct 24, 2013 20:32:51 GMT -6
I realize I need to create competition in everything but what does that look like what are some competitive activities you do.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 25, 2013 22:40:36 GMT -6
Maybe I'm out on limb here by myself but I don't try to foster or create a competitive nature perce. I preach a hatred for losing. I do not want people around me who love to win. That's not unique. Race a 2 yr old to the couch and if the 2 yr old beats you there they are happy. Everyone loves to win, even if they don't understand competition. But people who hate losing will either quit or do whatever it takes to win. This is the mentality that I try to instill into them and that is developed in a myriad of ways. When you lift, you lift against yourself. Have an expectation. If you need 6 reps at 250 on cleans, then get 6 reps and if you don't, you should be pi$$ed off about it. You should go at those 6 reps hard with the "ok body, you aren't going to beat me you SOB" and go at it and when you get them, there is a sense of accomplishment and if you don't there is a feeling of anger, distain, focus. Try to interject that into everything we do no matter what we are doing. IMO, that is the nature of competition. If you're OK with losing, then go away buy a ticket or join the band where everyone wins. Everyone is going to lose at something eventually, we will learn how to handle that, why it happened and how we can prevent it from happening that way again. But we will never learn to accept it and at no time do we talk about how "it happens sometimes" or "it's OK, get em next time". There is no next time. There is only right here, right now. Once in a lifetime opportunity. Success or failure, everyone will try but at the end of the day it is did or didn't...and no one cares about how hard you tried and that's a fact. For us being new at this school, the mentality of "tried hard but failed and it's OK because I tried hard" is rampant. Lovable losers and it makes me want to puke. I only coach defense so I get rid of those kids to the offense right away. Can't have it. and you can see it. It's a guy taking a play off here or there. It's a CB not playing technique because he thinks it's going to be a run play. It's a LB dropping into coverage because he thinks it's a passing situation. It's a DT playing nose to nose with a guard rather than staying in gap leverage..allowing himself to be reached instead of fighting back to gap leverage. Things have to become "just how you do it". Consistent. That CB has to see it as "oh this SOB thinks he can take me...he thinks he's better than me...I got him, his a$$ is mine, locked down." and if he doesn't see it that way, then that CB cannot play our coverage. That DT needs to think "oh this SOB think he can reach me? BS..." you get it. If each of those kids do not have that kind of mentality then you're in trouble. That's why I love my WILL linebacker. I've had better LBs but if you try to ISO him, he takes that extremely personal. PERFECT!! LOVE IT!! and I just perpetuate that hatred and apply it to OTs working up to him, RBs releasing, etc. That same WILL backer only got 5 reps on clean at 275, couldn't get the 6th, got angry and basically did a clean as he slammed the bar down and screamed at it "One more rep!! I #$^% hate that chit." I knew then I would like him. We need more of that. What do we do? We compete at everything. Weight room, conditioning, games, fundraisers...whatever it is, we are in competition. The JV kids got in trouble yesterday for talking on the sideline during our thursday practice. So the HC made them run across the field every time he blew the whistle. After about the 3rd trip he noticed they were having fun with it as they made it into a competition with each other and were laughing and talking even more than before. With all that being said - I think it all stems from their coaches. All behavior is either exhibited or allowed. So DO NOT exhibit that behavior and do not allow it. Call them out right away on it no matter what it is. Because at the end of the day we are all apart of this game for the competition. I ask my kids if they would rather play Madden against someone who is very good or against their 3 year old niece. Of course they always say someone good. Why? vs their niece they will win every time...see it's not about winning...it IS about competition. I'm going to cut this out and tattoo it to the forehead in reverse to every player on our team. Well said brother. |
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Post by Yash on Oct 26, 2013 16:42:59 GMT -6
Maybe I'm out on limb here by myself but I don't try to foster or create a competitive nature perce. I preach a hatred for losing. I do not want people around me who love to win. That's not unique. Race a 2 yr old to the couch and if the 2 yr old beats you there they are happy. Everyone loves to win, even if they don't understand competition. But people who hate losing will either quit or do whatever it takes to win. This is the mentality that I try to instill into them and that is developed in a myriad of ways. When you lift, you lift against yourself. Have an expectation. If you need 6 reps at 250 on cleans, then get 6 reps and if you don't, you should be pi$$ed off about it. You should go at those 6 reps hard with the "ok body, you aren't going to beat me you SOB" and go at it and when you get them, there is a sense of accomplishment and if you don't there is a feeling of anger, distain, focus. Try to interject that into everything we do no matter what we are doing. IMO, that is the nature of competition. If you're OK with losing, then go away buy a ticket or join the band where everyone wins. Everyone is going to lose at something eventually, we will learn how to handle that, why it happened and how we can prevent it from happening that way again. But we will never learn to accept it and at no time do we talk about how "it happens sometimes" or "it's OK, get em next time". There is no next time. There is only right here, right now. Once in a lifetime opportunity. Success or failure, everyone will try but at the end of the day it is did or didn't...and no one cares about how hard you tried and that's a fact. For us being new at this school, the mentality of "tried hard but failed and it's OK because I tried hard" is rampant. Lovable losers and it makes me want to puke. I only coach defense so I get rid of those kids to the offense right away. Can't have it. and you can see it. It's a guy taking a play off here or there. It's a CB not playing technique because he thinks it's going to be a run play. It's a LB dropping into coverage because he thinks it's a passing situation. It's a DT playing nose to nose with a guard rather than staying in gap leverage..allowing himself to be reached instead of fighting back to gap leverage. Things have to become "just how you do it". Consistent. That CB has to see it as "oh this SOB thinks he can take me...he thinks he's better than me...I got him, his a$$ is mine, locked down." and if he doesn't see it that way, then that CB cannot play our coverage. That DT needs to think "oh this SOB think he can reach me? BS..." you get it. If each of those kids do not have that kind of mentality then you're in trouble. That's why I love my WILL linebacker. I've had better LBs but if you try to ISO him, he takes that extremely personal. PERFECT!! LOVE IT!! and I just perpetuate that hatred and apply it to OTs working up to him, RBs releasing, etc. That same WILL backer only got 5 reps on clean at 275, couldn't get the 6th, got angry and basically did a clean as he slammed the bar down and screamed at it "One more rep!! I #$^% hate that chit." I knew then I would like him. We need more of that. What do we do? We compete at everything. Weight room, conditioning, games, fundraisers...whatever it is, we are in competition. The JV kids got in trouble yesterday for talking on the sideline during our thursday practice. So the HC made them run across the field every time he blew the whistle. After about the 3rd trip he noticed they were having fun with it as they made it into a competition with each other and were laughing and talking even more than before. With all that being said - I think it all stems from their coaches. All behavior is either exhibited or allowed. So DO NOT exhibit that behavior and do not allow it. Call them out right away on it no matter what it is. Because at the end of the day we are all apart of this game for the competition. I ask my kids if they would rather play Madden against someone who is very good or against their 3 year old niece. Of course they always say someone good. Why? vs their niece they will win every time...see it's not about winning...it IS about competition. This is getting printed off and hung up in my room. |
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Post by onelooneyzeta on Nov 16, 2013 11:32:38 GMT -6
Maybe I'm out on limb here by myself but I don't try to foster or create a competitive nature perce. I preach a hatred for losing. I do not want people around me who love to win. That's not unique. Race a 2 yr old to the couch and if the 2 yr old beats you there they are happy. Everyone loves to win, even if they don't understand competition. But people who hate losing will either quit or do whatever it takes to win. This is the mentality that I try to instill into them and that is developed in a myriad of ways. When you lift, you lift against yourself. Have an expectation. If you need 6 reps at 250 on cleans, then get 6 reps and if you don't, you should be pi$$ed off about it. You should go at those 6 reps hard with the "ok body, you aren't going to beat me you SOB" and go at it and when you get them, there is a sense of accomplishment and if you don't there is a feeling of anger, distain, focus. Try to interject that into everything we do no matter what we are doing. IMO, that is the nature of competition. If you're OK with losing, then go away buy a ticket or join the band where everyone wins. Everyone is going to lose at something eventually, we will learn how to handle that, why it happened and how we can prevent it from happening that way again. But we will never learn to accept it and at no time do we talk about how "it happens sometimes" or "it's OK, get em next time". There is no next time. There is only right here, right now. Once in a lifetime opportunity. Success or failure, everyone will try but at the end of the day it is did or didn't...and no one cares about how hard you tried and that's a fact. For us being new at this school, the mentality of "tried hard but failed and it's OK because I tried hard" is rampant. Lovable losers and it makes me want to puke. I only coach defense so I get rid of those kids to the offense right away. Can't have it. and you can see it. It's a guy taking a play off here or there. It's a CB not playing technique because he thinks it's going to be a run play. It's a LB dropping into coverage because he thinks it's a passing situation. It's a DT playing nose to nose with a guard rather than staying in gap leverage..allowing himself to be reached instead of fighting back to gap leverage. Things have to become "just how you do it". Consistent. That CB has to see it as "oh this SOB thinks he can take me...he thinks he's better than me...I got him, his a$$ is mine, locked down." and if he doesn't see it that way, then that CB cannot play our coverage. That DT needs to think "oh this SOB think he can reach me? BS..." you get it. If each of those kids do not have that kind of mentality then you're in trouble. That's why I love my WILL linebacker. I've had better LBs but if you try to ISO him, he takes that extremely personal. PERFECT!! LOVE IT!! and I just perpetuate that hatred and apply it to OTs working up to him, RBs releasing, etc. That same WILL backer only got 5 reps on clean at 275, couldn't get the 6th, got angry and basically did a clean as he slammed the bar down and screamed at it "One more rep!! I #$^% hate that chit." I knew then I would like him. We need more of that. What do we do? We compete at everything. Weight room, conditioning, games, fundraisers...whatever it is, we are in competition. The JV kids got in trouble yesterday for talking on the sideline during our thursday practice. So the HC made them run across the field every time he blew the whistle. After about the 3rd trip he noticed they were having fun with it as they made it into a competition with each other and were laughing and talking even more than before. With all that being said - I think it all stems from their coaches. All behavior is either exhibited or allowed. So DO NOT exhibit that behavior and do not allow it. Call them out right away on it no matter what it is. Because at the end of the day we are all apart of this game for the competition. I ask my kids if they would rather play Madden against someone who is very good or against their 3 year old niece. Of course they always say someone good. Why? vs their niece they will win every time...see it's not about winning...it IS about competition. Perfect |
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Post by 4slife0 on Nov 20, 2013 14:45:17 GMT -6
Tire tugs, either regular car tires or go big with tractor tires Tractor tire flip races Weight room man v man max rep in anything Sock wrestling Sumo wrestling Reverse sumo wrestling Get off your belly and the ultimate get off your back Really it is up to imagination, but the key is get the kids to consider that practice is the fruition, not just playing the game. We all played game as kids; football, baseball, basketball, dodgeball, smear the queer, capture the flag, freeze tag, kick back, horse, mumbly peg, etc..... And on and on. Kids today do the same thing, play games. Rarely if ever do they practice to play that game, just like most of us never practiced for just playing a 'game'. We have to get these kids, much like in our past, to realize that the PRACTICE is the act that brings about the fruition, and that then leads to the game. I've heard of most of these what is reverse sumo? Can you describe get off your belly and get off your back too? I'm betting it's just one guy on top of the other one but maybe I'm missing something. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 20, 2013 18:21:02 GMT -6
Reverse sumo is getting back to back then trying to drive to opponent out of the circle
Get off your belly is have some one prone on the ground and somebody else on his back. Bottom man has to get free. Off your back, you start with your back on the ground.
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Post by coachplaa on Nov 21, 2013 12:44:32 GMT -6
At the end of every Summer workout we had a 10-minute Summer Games tourney. I would let our coaches come up with ANYTHING they could think of and do it tourney-elimination style. We would take a picture of the daily champion, put it on twitter, and hype up each day's champion. We went from ZERO leadership at the beginning of summer, to "enough" leadership to win a co-championship and we did it through our daily summer competition.
Also, we score EVERYTHING in practice- drills, 7v7, 11v11, and we have a kid on a clipboard and another on a megaphone yelling out the score after every rep. At the end of the practice, we have the losing team (Offense or Defense) do pushups for every point they lost by. We try to reinforce winning and losing as much as possible.
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 21, 2013 16:15:59 GMT -6
wrestling
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 22, 2013 9:11:53 GMT -6
1) Wrestling
2) Make grades a contest
3) Attendance in other sports/ off season weights/ camps a contest
4) Give winners things they want: clothes/ new equipment/ better locker/ captainship/ etc.
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Post by onelooneyzeta on Dec 2, 2013 22:32:52 GMT -6
we have 2
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Dec 2, 2013 23:48:22 GMT -6
At the end of every Summer workout we had a 10-minute Summer Games tourney. I would let our coaches come up with ANYTHING they could think of and do it tourney-elimination style. We would take a picture of the daily champion, put it on twitter, and hype up each day's champion. We went from ZERO leadership at the beginning of summer, to "enough" leadership to win a co-championship and we did it through our daily summer competition. Also, we score EVERYTHING in practice- drills, 7v7, 11v11, and we have a kid on a clipboard and another on a megaphone yelling out the score after every rep. At the end of the practice, we have the losing team (Offense or Defense) do pushups for every point they lost by. We try to reinforce winning and losing as much as possible. Coach - you always have great freaking ideas.... how exactly do you score stuff? points for yards? any details would be great... |
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 3, 2013 7:46:02 GMT -6
Wt room coaches:
-Full time S&S guy
-usually our staff has 2 guys in there every time we have a lifting session outside of the school day
-our PE class that meets during the day will a double period in the spring (last 2 6th/7th) and there are a handful of coaches that are free during that block of time. For example,I am only free 7th.
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Post by realdawg on Dec 3, 2013 7:49:04 GMT -6
Our kids are in wt training class 1 and 2nd period. We have two coaches that teach those classes. I usually go down if I have planning during those classes. After school we have 2-4 coaches and during the summer we usually have all our coaches there. 3 in the wt room and 2 or 3 outside with the running.
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Post by fantom on Dec 3, 2013 8:00:58 GMT -6
Question: How many coaches do you have in the weight room in the off season? If a coach isn't coaching another sport or working another job he's expected to be there. If, for some reason, we can't make it we're expected to call in . It's just considered a part of the job. |
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Post by realdawg on Dec 3, 2013 10:43:45 GMT -6
You MUST develop a relationship with your players. You can't do that by just walking your @$$ out there at the start of 2 a days and expect them to run through a wall for you. The weight room is about more than getting stronger. THAT is the place where the TEAM is built. It's a place of comradery, perseverance, struggle, togetherness, fun, laughter, work, mentality, anger, pride, family.
I can be as hard on my kids as I want to be, I can say pretty much anything I want to any of them at any time and no one takes it personally. Why is that? Because RESPECT is earned. In that weight room is where they learn to respect themselves, each other and their coaches. That's just the way it is.
Believe this whole heartedly
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Post by Yash on Dec 3, 2013 17:30:13 GMT -6
My assistants get $1200 a year to. Coach. As much as id like to force them to be in the weight room, I'm not finding anyone better for $1200.
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Post by s73 on Dec 3, 2013 19:40:14 GMT -6
When we start our weight room the 1st day I tell the kids that I want 3 captains to create 3 teams. I also tell them the first 3 to see me that following morning will be the captains b/c I didn't want it to be as easy as 3 kids raising their hands. I wanted them to compete to find me first the following day. I figured those were the guys who REALLY wanted to lead.
I'm proud to say 3 kids were waiting for me in the parking lot when I pulled in this morning.
They become the 3 team captains. They draft their weight training teams. How do they compete? It's very simple, I simply give them 1 point for every team member in attendance each day in the weight room. Furthermore, I also give them a list of kids missing from weights and tell them for every kid you can recruit to the weightroom he now becomes a member of your team which means extra points everyday they are in attendance. For example, all 3 teams start w/ 8 kids let's say. Now team 1 recruits 2 more kids for his team. He can earn up to 10 points a day while the others can only earn 8 unless they recruit more kids.
The winning team gets $200 bucks to spend at Buffalo Wild wings and T-shirts. The coaches go w/ the kids to further the team bonding.
Just what we do. Simple but seems to work.
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Post by matthew on Dec 3, 2013 22:25:41 GMT -6
Do not... Do not!! Let kids sit back on glory from previous seasons!! Always push them to be in the gym during off seasons and working on individual skill sets! The worst thing to hear in the locker room is "remember when I did ....... Last year"
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Post by s73 on Dec 4, 2013 7:07:51 GMT -6
Do not... Do not!! Let kids sit back on glory from previous seasons!! Always push them to be in the gym during off seasons and working on individual skill sets! The worst thing to hear in the locker room is "remember when I did ....... Last year" Or even worse, they sit on last years accomplishments and had nothing to do with them. That's what happened to us this past season. Our 2012 seniors were good leaders and led us to much success. It was almost as if the 2013 seniors were comatose for the whole 2012 season. They took ZERO I mean absolutely NO cues from the previous class about what being a quality senior on a varsity football team looks like. As a result, we sucked. Became very difficult as we actually had to somewhat tell the juniors to take over the team and lead during the season while the seniors were still their. But it became self preservation essentially for next season. As a result, we are already miles ahead in leadership & team camaraderie despite the fact the season just ended. |
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Post by gibbs72 on Dec 4, 2013 9:39:06 GMT -6
I always ask our kids, "So how many points do we get this year because you did ___ last year?" Usually works to refocus.
We won our conference last year, and our kids are pretty pumped about it. I'm trying to convince our HC to put a Bullseye on the back of our team shirt as a symbolic reminder.
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Post by s73 on Dec 4, 2013 14:18:18 GMT -6
Or even worse, they sit on last years accomplishments and had nothing to do with them. That's what happened to us this past season. Our 2012 seniors were good leaders and led us to much success. It was almost as if the 2013 seniors were comatose for the whole 2012 season. They took ZERO I mean absolutely NO cues from the previous class about what being a quality senior on a varsity football team looks like. As a result, we sucked. Became very difficult as we actually had to somewhat tell the juniors to take over the team and lead during the season while the seniors were still their. But it became self preservation essentially for next season. As a result, we are already miles ahead in leadership & team camaraderie despite the fact the season just ended. That happened at my one school. We were back to back playoff runs. The freshmen my last year were undefeated in Middle school and had talent everywhere. Got to the HS, we were 9-3 their freshman year. Our staff left, so that had some bearing. BUT - those freshmen would NOT lift. You couldn't get them in there consistently. Excuses abounded from players and parents a like. For example, the QB played AAU basketball but didn't play basketball for the high school... They never put in the time in the weight room, they never followed the leadership that they had as freshmen and they won 4 games in the next 3 years and one of those was by forfeit. They were 0-10 this year, but the team who beat them by 40 had to forfeit because they played an ineligible player. Its sad. They had 3 D1 players and still couldn't figure out that talent doesn't beat hard work when the hard workers are talented too. In 2011 we won conference w/ a team that was 3-6 as sophomores. They worked like DOGS in the off season. In 2012 we were conference runners up w/ a team that was 3-6 as sophomores. Another team w/ great effort & pride. Our current sophomore team was 8-1 as freshman and did a VERY poor job of lifting last off season and this season they were 5-4. Tried to pull the old complaining about the coaches move. I VERBALLY DESTROYED THAT once I caught wind of it. Now, "SOME" of them are getting better in the weight room. The juniors are doing fantastic. In fact, 15 of them got together on their own last night after weights and ran routes outisde. Was a very proud moment for me after this past season's senior class. I will respect this team a great deal regardless of their record next season. |
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