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Post by goose2w1 on Sept 11, 2013 21:39:34 GMT -6
Sorry to do this but i need a little venting. Also need to check myself to see if I'm doing everything I should. I have one parent on my team who loves to tell me that no matter what I do offensively, it's wrong. We play in a league that's 10-12 and being a military town, there is a fairly regular turn over of kids. Our team runs a pretty simple offense using the Diamond, split back, and spread (2x2) formations. Alot of the plays we run are similar regardless of formation, but seem to run differently enough that they look different. Sweeps, off tackle, misdirection, and some middle runs. As far as passes, we use them very little, using WR slants, TE's outs, and RB flares. It all adds up to basically running 8 different run plays out of the three formations, and 4 called passes, giving us a 28 play playbook. We didn't look too good in our opener against the defending champ, due to poor line play. We took that as a coaching high light for the next few practices. We had a scrimmage today and looked really good. Didn't break a long run (18 yards being the longest play), but averaged a consistent 6-7 yards per play, for 40 offensive plays.
The parent in question went ahead and completely berated my HC after the scrimmage saying we ran the same basic play over and over again and we weren't teaching the kids squat. That we needed to teach the kids at least 1-2 new formations every week with 5-7 plays. That our play book should be in the 50 pay range with around a minimum of 7 formations. That we needed several different blocking schemes and if the defense stopped a play once, it should never be run again. Then he let it slip that his kid needs a more starring role. He wasn't happy his son was the RT and a backup DT. That the team as a whole wasn't being taught anything and we had no offensive system.
With all that said, he and his son have gone to a different team every year. His son was ejected twice last year for kidney punching while tackling, and once for starting a fight.
The 4 man coaching staff we have try to constantly drill the basics on offense. We teach a GOD blocking scheme, mechanics from footwork to hand work on angle blocks and drive blocks. We spend hours with our FB's on how to read defenses to find out who they need to block for their RB's. This goes for our TE's and WR's as well. And run countless reps on the plays that we have till the starters and back ups run them as well as we know they can.
I just don't see how you can have a play book that has 50ish plays in it out of seven or more formations for 10-12 year old kids. How can one get enough reps to run them well. I know for us, as the season goes, we plan on adding the I, as we feel this is a good basic formation that the kids should learn and understand.
I know this isn't all the information one would need, but are we wrong here? Should we have a much bigger, more dynamic playbook?
Thanks for listening!
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Post by mahonz on Sept 11, 2013 22:18:45 GMT -6
Question.
How is it that you even allow this to happen?
I've dealt with a few like this over the years and politely told them to go tell it too a tree...because a tree would listen.
That will absolutely infuriate him but that's the point. Parents need training as well sometimes. You can only imagine the garbage this moron is filling his own kids head with off the field when it comes all of you coaches.
After this "betraying"...I'd bench his kid for the next game. When he comes at you again for benching his kid now you simply tell him football is not his deal but rather his sons deal and he is ruining things for him. So buck up and shut up.
If they show up at the next event...you got thru....if they dont...F em.
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Post by goose2w1 on Sept 11, 2013 22:33:59 GMT -6
After the incident, I tlaked to our head coach and told him basically the same thing. The HC agreed to talk to this guy as soon as he dropped his boy off at practice. This type of situation needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP as far as I'm concerned. Just want to be sure I wasn't off my rocker.
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 12, 2013 6:53:01 GMT -6
The offense needs to be kept simple.....period. Did you have a parent meeting at the start of the season? This will take care of quite a bit of moaning and groaning from the peanut gallery. The parents need to know what will be expected of their children and of the parents themselves. They need to know what you are planning on doing and how you will be assigning positions and that there will be no negotiating on position placement. Little Ndamukong Suh you spoke of could end up being 5' 4" and 150 lbs and never play football again after high school, thats something we dont know. Why I say that is, the kids are placed in the best position for the TEAM. This is what can be addressed during the parent meeting and then the meathead who thinks he's Sean Payton can be told "I discussed this during the meeting, we are running ABC offense and positions are non-negotiable". They usually don't like it but they shut their trap. Good luck coach, sounds like pandora's box is open and it's hard to get everything back in once it gets out.
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Post by goose2w1 on Sept 12, 2013 7:07:13 GMT -6
carrcaleb,
Thats exactly what we did. During our first conditioning week we had a meeting with all children and parents to address this. We told them we are going to run 5-8 plays out of the diamond and spread, and once we get those right, we'll throw in the 2x2 spread. All of our returners and their parents have been fully supportive of what we are doing. Out of the 11 newbies, 10 are the same way, except for this one parent and one other who believes his son needs to be the QB. Tonight the HC, this parent, the league commissioner, and I are having a meeting about this. The HC is going to tell the league that this kid needs to be put on a different team, due soley to the inappropriate actions of his father. I hate to lose a kid, especially one that needs the extra coaching that this kid needs, due to his bad habits, but I think his father will be nothing more than a cancer for this team.
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 12, 2013 9:13:43 GMT -6
Sounds like you nailed it with the cancer assessment. I'm really surprised they let little Suh play in the league at all if he was ejected three times last season. The best thing may be to keep this young man on your squad so YOU personally can try to help him. The reason I say that is that those two bad apples will go infect another team with the same bs. It can be laid out in front of pops that if he opens his mouth or his son acts up they are both gone. I would rather have the confused young man under my wing. You might be surprised how much impact a youth coach can have on a young person, I personally have seen full 180's from kids. It will be tough however it works out, the best interests of the kid is what's important in the long run. Good luck and let us know how your meeting goes this evening
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Post by goose2w1 on Sept 12, 2013 22:12:36 GMT -6
Had the meeting with the parents and the league tonight, and guess what, He filed an official parental complaint against me. Yesterday during our scrimmage, this kid got into a fight with another player and kept going after him. I grabbed him by his jersey to rip him away from the other kid. I yelled at him to immediately hit the sidelines and see the coach. Of course his parent weren't there, so the story they got from him was that for no reason I physically man handled him and berated him in front of everybody. I have a feeling he actually told his dad the truth, but that was what his dad heard. I explained my actions and the commission understood due to this kids history and his fathers history with our league. Tomorrow the full commission will have a meeting to decide if they will move him to another team with the caveat that any more BS from the kid of his dad will result in lifetime suspension and he'll have to play for the MS next year, or if he'll have to stick it out with us with the same caveat. FUN< FUN< FUN!!!!!!!!!
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Post by carrcaleb on Sept 13, 2013 5:03:29 GMT -6
goose2w1 WOW!!!!! You have got your hands full! It sounds like the league will handle everything appropriately but WOW!!!! We will see a youtube video of Dad brawling with someone before too long. There is no room for that type of behavior from parent or child in youth sports. That young man is VERY confused and needs some help to deal with his demons(might be dad). Good luck with the rest of the process and the rest of your season.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 13, 2013 10:53:48 GMT -6
Had the meeting with the parents and the league tonight, and guess what, He filed an official parental complaint against me. Yesterday during our scrimmage, this kid got into a fight with another player and kept going after him. I grabbed him by his jersey to rip him away from the other kid. I yelled at him to immediately hit the sidelines and see the coach. Of course his parent weren't there, so the story they got from him was that for no reason I physically man handled him and berated him in front of everybody. I have a feeling he actually told his dad the truth, but that was what his dad heard. I explained my actions and the commission understood due to this kids history and his fathers history with our league. Tomorrow the full commission will have a meeting to decide if they will move him to another team with the caveat that any more BS from the kid of his dad will result in lifetime suspension and he'll have to play for the MS next year, or if he'll have to stick it out with us with the same caveat. FUN< FUN< FUN!!!!!!!!! Well good for this parent and good for you and good the your League. This guy just dug his own grave. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 11:49:30 GMT -6
Sorry to do this but i need a little venting. Also need to check myself to see if I'm doing everything I should. I have one parent on my team who loves to tell me that no matter what I do offensively, it's wrong. We play in a league that's 10-12 and being a military town, there is a fairly regular turn over of kids. Our team runs a pretty simple offense using the Diamond, split back, and spread (2x2) formations. Alot of the plays we run are similar regardless of formation, but seem to run differently enough that they look different. Sweeps, off tackle, misdirection, and some middle runs. As far as passes, we use them very little, using WR slants, TE's outs, and RB flares. It all adds up to basically running 8 different run plays out of the three formations, and 4 called passes, giving us a 28 play playbook. We didn't look too good in our opener against the defending champ, due to poor line play. We took that as a coaching high light for the next few practices. We had a scrimmage today and looked really good. Didn't break a long run (18 yards being the longest play), but averaged a consistent 6-7 yards per play, for 40 offensive plays. The parent in question went ahead and completely berated my HC after the scrimmage saying we ran the same basic play over and over again and we weren't teaching the kids squat. That we needed to teach the kids at least 1-2 new formations every week with 5-7 plays. That our play book should be in the 50 pay range with around a minimum of 7 formations. That we needed several different blocking schemes and if the defense stopped a play once, it should never be run again. Then he let it slip that his kid needs a more starring role. He wasn't happy his son was the RT and a backup DT. That the team as a whole wasn't being taught anything and we had no offensive system. With all that said, he and his son have gone to a different team every year. His son was ejected twice last year for kidney punching while tackling, and once for starting a fight. The 4 man coaching staff we have try to constantly drill the basics on offense. We teach a GOD blocking scheme, mechanics from footwork to hand work on angle blocks and drive blocks. We spend hours with our FB's on how to read defenses to find out who they need to block for their RB's. This goes for our TE's and WR's as well. And run countless reps on the plays that we have till the starters and back ups run them as well as we know they can.
I just don't see how you can have a play book that has 50ish plays in it out of seven or more formations for 10-12 year old kids. How can one get enough reps to run them well. I know for us, as the season goes, we plan on adding the I, as we feel this is a good basic formation that the kids should learn and understand. I know this isn't all the information one would need, but are we wrong here? Should we have a much bigger, more dynamic playbook? Thanks for listening! Every fan in American thinks he knows football. Your parents are included. It comes with the territory of being a coach. If he has done this with other teams, teams being more than 1, your screwed with the board. The first time should have been the only time. You are not wrong, in fact the kid would benefit from staying with you guys......and much to the dismay of his father...now that is fun. |
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Post by goose2w1 on Oct 1, 2013 21:39:14 GMT -6
Well unfortunately the kids parent made him drop last week. It really hurt to know he wouldn't be part of the team, but I hate saying this, it's nice not having to deal with his father. But worry not, things got even better today  Turns out the father of one of our other kids is an assistant coach at the local high school. He asked to talk to all the coach's tonight, we had hoped that this would be a positive thing, boy, were we wrong! Apparently we, and youth coach's like us, are the reason that kids go to high school and don't know the difference between the Tampa 2 and the cover 0 defense. That because of us, kids can't run the triple option and the QB read option successfully. The fact that we run an O-I-L blocking scheme was totally ridiculous to him and we should teach kids zone blocking schemes. Gonna be a long season! |
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Post by jrk5150 on Oct 2, 2013 12:07:29 GMT -6
Well unfortunately the kids parent made him drop last week. It really hurt to know he wouldn't be part of the team, but I hate saying this, it's nice not having to deal with his father. But worry not, things got even better today Turns out the father of one of our other kids is an assistant coach at the local high school. He asked to talk to all the coach's tonight, we had hoped that this would be a positive thing, boy, were we wrong! Apparently we, and youth coach's like us, are the reason that kids go to high school and don't know the difference between the Tampa 2 and the cover 0 defense. That because of us, kids can't run the triple option and the QB read option successfully. The fact that we run an O-I-L blocking scheme was totally ridiculous to him and we should teach kids zone blocking schemes. Gonna be a long season! Is it a successful HS program? Does this coach have an important role? I'm guessing one of those two will be answered "no", but we'll see. |
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Post by coachrobpsl on Oct 2, 2013 19:16:04 GMT -6
Well unfortunately the kids parent made him drop last week. It really hurt to know he wouldn't be part of the team, but I hate saying this, it's nice not having to deal with his father. But worry not, things got even better today Turns out the father of one of our other kids is an assistant coach at the local high school. He asked to talk to all the coach's tonight, we had hoped that this would be a positive thing, boy, were we wrong! Apparently we, and youth coach's like us, are the reason that kids go to high school and don't know the difference between the Tampa 2 and the cover 0 defense. That because of us, kids can't run the triple option and the QB read option successfully. The fact that we run an O-I-L blocking scheme was totally ridiculous to him and we should teach kids zone blocking schemes. Gonna be a long season! I have been coaching youth for a while(pretty successfully) and what I have learned about many high school coaches is that when it concerns youth football, they have no friggin clue. Not that they don't know football but they have no idea that as a youth coach you spend half your time teaching the absolute basic fundamentals and in most cases only have about 6 hours a week to practice. Quality hs coaches will not care what scheme you run but will care if you send them kids who can block and tackle. Quality high school coaches want you to teach them the fundies of the game. The more advanced stuff is THEIR job, Their scheme is their jobs. Triple option?! Tell him to get bent and go coach his team and leave your team to you. If he is a coach he should know better than to interfere with what you are doing. Teach what you know how to teach. Unless they have coached youth they have no idea the challenges you face as there is no way you understand they challenges they face. As far as your playbook, teach what you can install and what they can absorb and run well. Our playbook is not simple but our staff is very experienced and been running our offense for about 8 years together. But if our kids can only run 8 plays well that is all we would install. We rule block as well as do many high schools and colleges. Parents are always a pita. Set them straight day one and many problems are headed off before they start. Have rules for the kids and parents with consequences and enforce them. We don't discuss positions, playing time or scheme with parents. Period. The conversation WILL NOT HAPPEN. That approach works but I know that some guys will discuss it but they have limits as well. What we will discuss, at length and happily, is how little Johnny Superstar future hall of famer can get better and earn more time. |
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Turns out the father of one of our other kids is an assistant coach at the local high school. He asked to talk to all the coach's tonight, we had hoped that this would be a positive thing, boy, were we wrong! Apparently we, and youth coach's like us, are the reason that kids go to high school and don't know the difference between the Tampa 2 and the cover 0 defense. That because of us, kids can't run the triple option and the QB read option successfully. The fact that we run an O-I-L blocking scheme was totally ridiculous to him and we should teach kids zone blocking schemes. Gonna be a long season!