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Post by gameface on Aug 20, 2013 15:15:41 GMT -6
Coaches,
I want to first state I am a control freak (just because I typically have assistants with zero experience). With that said, I typically don’t have assistants until after our draft. The select teams above me get first rights to the kids/coaches. So I typically try to get assistants or dads until after draft. Then I show them what I want and coach them and the kids up at the same time until I can turn them loose. I typically call both the Offense and the D. I have offered to hand over the D in the past but have had no takers.
This year I was able to get a staff that actually has quite a bit of experience. The issue I have is the one I asked to head up the D continually undercuts me in front of the kids questions offense and D. I run the Single Wing DC version with about 6-7 years of tweaking. And I typically run the WT-6. I have a couple of other D’s that we will put in but the WT-6 is first. In the past 6 years my record is 47 wins and 17 losses. I am not the best but not the worst. I am comfortable running the whole thing and I’ll admit trying to do my best just to let others take some control/responsibility.
Do I need to let it play out or do I pull him aside and talk with him about it. I get the impression he feels like the offense and D are gimmicky and has no respect for them. He has coached HS ball (he lets me know this about every 5 minutes) but not the youth level.
A little help over here. Thanks
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Post by coachcb on Aug 20, 2013 15:50:57 GMT -6
He shouldn't be saying anything around the kids.
Let him know that and then cut him loose if he continues.
I've had assistants question what we're doing behind closed doors and that's fine. But, under no circumstances should the kids see anything but a united front.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 20, 2013 16:03:48 GMT -6
Coaches, I want to first state I am a control freak (just because I typically have assistants with zero experience). With that said, I typically don’t have assistants until after our draft. The select teams above me get first rights to the kids/coaches. So I typically try to get assistants or dads until after draft. Then I show them what I want and coach them and the kids up at the same time until I can turn them loose. I typically call both the Offense and the D. I have offered to hand over the D in the past but have had no takers. This year I was able to get a staff that actually has quite a bit of experience. The issue I have is the one I asked to head up the D continually undercuts me in front of the kids questions offense and D. I run the Single Wing DC version with about 6-7 years of tweaking. And I typically run the WT-6. I have a couple of other D’s that we will put in but the WT-6 is first. In the past 6 years my record is 47 wins and 17 losses. I am not the best but not the worst. I am comfortable running the whole thing and I’ll admit trying to do my best just to let others take some control/responsibility. Do I need to let it play out or do I pull him aside and talk with him about it. I get the impression he feels like the offense and D are gimmicky and has no respect for them. He has coached HS ball (he lets me know this about every 5 minutes) but not the youth level. A little help over here. Thanks 3 words: Fire his a$$ Nothing ruins a team faster then bad mouthing . It's cancerous I tell my players and coaches this: buy in or bye-bye |
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Post by mahonz on Aug 21, 2013 13:29:05 GMT -6
Coaches, I want to first state I am a control freak (just because I typically have assistants with zero experience). With that said, I typically don’t have assistants until after our draft. The select teams above me get first rights to the kids/coaches. So I typically try to get assistants or dads until after draft. Then I show them what I want and coach them and the kids up at the same time until I can turn them loose. I typically call both the Offense and the D. I have offered to hand over the D in the past but have had no takers. This year I was able to get a staff that actually has quite a bit of experience. The issue I have is the one I asked to head up the D continually undercuts me in front of the kids questions offense and D. I run the Single Wing DC version with about 6-7 years of tweaking. And I typically run the WT-6. I have a couple of other D’s that we will put in but the WT-6 is first. In the past 6 years my record is 47 wins and 17 losses. I am not the best but not the worst. I am comfortable running the whole thing and I’ll admit trying to do my best just to let others take some control/responsibility. Do I need to let it play out or do I pull him aside and talk with him about it. I get the impression he feels like the offense and D are gimmicky and has no respect for them. He has coached HS ball (he lets me know this about every 5 minutes) but not the youth level. A little help over here. Thanks Im surprised you are surprised. You run Cisar Systems so in the eyes of the under educated...you are a weirdo. He needs to understand the big picture and if he is mouthing off in front of the kids....he is a VERY poor coach. He would get ONE warning shot from me and if he cant then maintain he would be fired immediately. If he wants to go off over beers after practice...have at it. You both would most likely come to an agreement and move on....successfully. Sounds like you have been coaching long enough to fully understand...you need bodies on the field and on the sideline so reeling this guy in would only help you. But its up too him. |
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 21, 2013 13:48:02 GMT -6
A lot of high school coaches believe youth ball is a "lower level" of kid which results in a lower level of coaching of lower level ball. They are sorely mistaken. He clearly has no respect for you.
I love that line, 33coach. "Buy in or bye bye." Don't keep the guy around if he's going to bad mouth the program. He's now preemptively given the kids an excuse for when they meet adversity. "It's not me, it's the system. Why try harder when the problem could be solved by merely changing the system?" Keeping guys around because you need help is one thing, but if he's not helping then he's just sticking around and doing harm ... like cancer.
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Post by gameface on Aug 21, 2013 15:00:01 GMT -6
I pulled him aside and had a chat with him last night. He is still on staff and was very apologetic. I told him I couldn't have him on staff if he continued to undercut me in front of the kids. I also addressed the need for him to buy in to our system. he was on board with what I had to say. So I won't launch him yet. I think he can really help. We will see.....
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Post by 33coach on Aug 21, 2013 15:01:03 GMT -6
I pulled him aside and had a chat with him last night. He is still on staff and was very apologetic. I told him I couldn't have him on staff if he continued to undercut me in front of the kids. I also addressed the need for him to buy in to our system. he was on board with what I had to say. So I won't launch him yet. I think he can really help. We will see..... who knows maybe that conversation will turn him around |
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Post by coachnick1 on Aug 21, 2013 17:17:28 GMT -6
let's hope!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 20:03:43 GMT -6
with all due respect to the OP, that conversation should never have to take place. He agreed to do things your way when he took the job. That is immediate termination and with cause.
For married guys, try doing that to your wife with your family, and if you have kids, your kids.
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Post by newt21 on Aug 24, 2013 8:10:47 GMT -6
i had a similar situation with an assistant but it wasn't quite as serious. i was his assistant for baseball last year, and now he's my assistant for football and he had a hard time with me telling him where certain kids should play (he's never coached fb before) and he gave me a bit of attitude when i told him where they were playing, and he became argumentative. i basically told him shut his mouth and we'll talk about it after practice. after practice i apologized for coming off strong, but that there could and would be no debates in front of the kids, period. he understood and we moved on.
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Post by coachmroberts on Sept 8, 2013 8:31:48 GMT -6
I am Head Coach of 2nd grade team . 1 of my new assistants infected us with cancer, threatening to quit after a game a few weeks ago. Told several parents he was gonna try to run against me for Head Coach next year etc.... Monday at practice week following that game, I could tell how much damage he had done. All of a sudden several angry parents. 1st of all, I pulled rest of my coaches to the side and informed them of all the sabotage this individual caused in 1 weekend. Found out he was also privately trying to pump up 2 other assistants about how their kids should be starting, blah, blah, blah. I then got my staffs approval on launching this Coach if when I confronted him, if I did not get the responses I wanted to hear. They all agreed.
I then spoke with him and basically stated he needs to focus on coaching, that I am not impressed with him. He was assisting my offensive coordinator on the field. I said I've seen you add nothing to our team that would justify anyone voting for you. Feel free to run against me next year, but you better start coaching something because your resume is very weak in my opinion. As far as drama. It all ends. Join the TEAM. We are supposed to be on the same team. There will be no more drama , or cya. Zero tolerance. We are here for the kids. If you have ideas or things you want implemented, we discuss them like men, and if we agree thats what we want, we fix it in practice. I also said ill be taking over helping on the field with the O-Line and show you how a Coach is a part of the solution .
No drama for 2 weeks . 26-6, 44-0 victories. There will be no more drama or he will be gone.
As far as parents, I had a meeting that week to bring up all the things I've heard. I said fire away, I'm an open book. Discussed them all and I'd say our parents never have seemed happier.
I only responded to this because I've been coaching 10 straight years in my organization and never seen someone go to the level of internal sabotage , all to get his boy at QB. This became a very big headache fast. I really felt he was a threat to myself and other coaches, because noone needs this drama while volunteering to coach kids. I did not want to see 1 of my good coaches go over his sabotage .
Good luck with your situation.
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Post by coachrobpsl on Oct 2, 2013 19:26:48 GMT -6
with all due respect to the OP, that conversation should never have to take place. He agreed to do things your way when he took the job. That is immediate termination and with cause. For married guys, try doing that to your wife with your family, and if you have kids, your kids. I 100% agree. No second chances. Guys like the ones mentioned may shape up for a while but they are who they are. After practice, away from players and parents, debating stuff can be healthy(to a point) as long as everybody leaves on the same page. If they don't, then fake it. Fool me once..... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 19:33:01 GMT -6
with all due respect to the OP, that conversation should never have to take place. He agreed to do things your way when he took the job. That is immediate termination and with cause. For married guys, try doing that to your wife with your family, and if you have kids, your kids. I 100% agree. No second chances. Guys like the ones mentioned may shape up for a while but they are who they are. After practice, away from players and parents, debating stuff can be healthy(to a point) as long as everybody leaves on the same page. If they don't, then fake it. Fool me once..... you want to disagree with the hc fine...But you do it in meetings, over the phone or whatever, but to the public, to parents to players, to your own family, all is good, you and the HC see things perfectly and exactly the same way. |
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