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Post by blb on Jul 1, 2013 17:52:44 GMT -6
Not interested in a "pissing match" but when the bad guys get the ball in the open field and they have blockers - however they do it - your DBs better know how to beat them before they can make a tackle, or it won't happen. Corners are our best cover guys. Safeties are better run players (although FS must have range to be Center Fielder, "Eraser" or "Goalie"). Regardless - you can't give yourself up 1-for-1 or avoid blockers on defense, otherwise bad things happen. That didn't answer my question: How do you evaluate your players and determine who plays where? Agreed, and when your LB has to come out of the box and pick up a back out of the backfield he better be able to cover. See how that type of a debate is futile? We both agree with the fact basic defence skills matter. I think we are good there... However I'm still curious as to how you evaluate guys? Didn't answer your question? Thought we were talking about DBs. We evaluate players on their ability to Run and Hit (R/H Factor). And make "Big Plays." In relationship to one another. If your LBers can't defeat blockers and make tackles vs. the run you won't have to worry about their cover skills. In our defensive scheme we can "hide" bigger, slower kids at DT if necessary. But you can't Run and Hit defensively if you get blocked, and stay blocked.
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Post by brophy on Jul 1, 2013 18:01:16 GMT -6
it boils down to how much risk you're willing to take on. If a kid cannot perform fundamental skills, then he becomes a liability on the field. You have to minimize the damage that can do to you by limiting his role (maybe so much so that he doesn't play).
size and athleticism is great, but if the kid can't perform...then he is just wasted talent.
How do you determine your best? Who do you get the most consistent production from? You can't get consistent production outside of fundamentals/execution.
Kids that can't tackle or get off blocks on defense? gtfo
Tackling isn't an acquired taste that suits some and not others. We teach you....you can't get it after hours of practice, go have fun on offense, Nancy.
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Post by 42falcon on Jul 1, 2013 18:01:37 GMT -6
That didn't answer my question: How do you evaluate your players and determine who plays where? Agreed, and when your LB has to come out of the box and pick up a back out of the backfield he better be able to cover. See how that type of a debate is futile? We both agree with the fact basic defence skills matter. I think we are good there... However I'm still curious as to how you evaluate guys? Didn't answer your question? Thought we were talking about DBs. We evaluate players on their ability to Run and Hit (R/H Factor). And make "Big Plays." In relationship to one another. If your LBers can't defeat blockers and make tackles vs. the run you won't have to worry about their cover skills. In our defensive scheme we can "hide" bigger, slower kids at DT if necessary. But you can't Run and Hit defensively if you get blocked, and stay blocked. I thunk we are speaking the same thing here. We are not doing much different in terms of the qualities we are looking for: physical football / guys that can run and tackle (hit). You have identified places where you can put certain kids: ie - slower big kids DT, best cover guy C, guy with most range F$. But like you said and I think I have as well this comes after you determine who can tackle / hit. I don't think it is a whole lot different than I posted. Maybe what threw you for a loop was the notion of lumping pass coverage in with block destruction? Again as I mentioned earlier I think this is one of the most important things we do as coaches, the best teams have a way to get the best kids into the places where they can have success, not try to fit the kids on the depth chart into the what works for the coaches.
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Post by s73 on Jul 1, 2013 18:13:33 GMT -6
My guess is that what it evolves to. So you make a decision OK here is how we are approaching this: get the best 11 (12 in our case) on the field vs sticking to the depth chart. The next question becomes how do you determine your "best"? This has major value at least for me. We are a program going into our 3rd year. The school we are at moved locations it went from a population of 500 or so to 1400. We had till this coming year very few football players (community kids with experience) attending the school. So this has been a major initiative for us as a group. Even when I talk to the top team in our Province it is the same thing: how do we determine who are best 12 are and then how do we figure out where to fit the pieces. That is way more important that what scheme you run. Hence why I think the thread morphed. We determine our best through position specific needs first, then, if we run out of that, we have to find the best 11. We need inside backers that can "stuff it" and understand their drops. We need OLB's that can "set the edge" and we need DL that can shed, be disciplined enough to play at the heels and read schemes. We need DB's that can play cover 3 well along w/ a FS that can make plays at or near the LOS. We need all of things if we want to continue playing defense at the level we have become accustomed to over the past few years. Once we have that determined, we have to figure out if one of the guys who's not the best at his spot, is better than the best at another spot in which the best at that particular spot might be a little weak. That's the process we are engaged in right now.
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