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Post by cqmiller on Jun 8, 2013 6:01:55 GMT -6
Hey everyone... I have burned the ESPN 1-hour program on Vince Lombardi to DVD, then input to HUDL. If you have seen it and would like to have me trade it with you on HUDL for your players and staff to watch, PM me and I'll get it to you.
We did a little poll last year and asked our players to raise their hand if they new anything about Vince Lombardi other than he coached the packers and the superbowl trophy was named after him. Only had about 5 who put their hand up.
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Post by blb on Jun 8, 2013 6:49:36 GMT -6
The kids we're coaching now don't know what Jimmy Johnson did, or Bill Walsh, much less Lombardi.
He's just some old timer who got his name on the SB trophy that old farts like me keep quoting to them.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 8, 2013 9:20:41 GMT -6
In 40 years those same players will be upset that young guys dont know who Peyton Manning or Lebron James is.
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Post by spos21ram on Jun 8, 2013 9:35:45 GMT -6
Although many kids don't really know much about him now, the older they get, especially if they remain football fans, go.on to play college or coach, or even Google inspirational quotes, they will learn more about him the older they get.
When I was in high school I knew he was a coach of the packers when they won the first two SB 's and had some good quotes, but that's it. The older I got the more I came across his info on the internet and tv and learned more about who he was.
He had very good public speaking skills which you don't always get from football coaches like the Belichick types.
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Post by s73 on Jun 8, 2013 10:43:11 GMT -6
I have a Vince Lombardi movie the I DVR'd from HBO about a year ago and it was excellent! I watch every fall for personal inspiration.
According to the movie (if accurate) VL won 6 consecutive state titles at St. Cecilius HS as his first coaching job, often times beating schools w/ 10x their enrollment.
He also won 1 basketball state championship even though he never played or coached the sport previously. He learned the game from a book he rented from the library. The movie said the book was old and outdated and still referred to the mid court jump after every basket. He had to learn on his own that that rule no longer existed once his season started.
They also interview several of his HS players that are still living and they cannot praise him enough. They said nobody motivated in life better than him.
If the movie is accurate then that is obviously incredible. I watch and always tell myself if he can do all of that the LEAST I can do is give my guys a shot to win year in and year out.
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Post by airman on Jun 9, 2013 21:10:37 GMT -6
Coach Lombardi is an example of being a very successful man on the outside but very unsuccessful with his inner life. His wife became an alcoholic, he had very poor relationships with people, especially his son and daughter. He was very critical of his son's athletic ability. His son played D 3 football at St Thomas University in Minneapolis/St. Paul Minnesota. His son never got into the coaching end. he became a lawyer. His son however coaches. A quote from his wife. "He seemed preoccupied with football even on their honeymoon, and cut it short to get back to Englewood … 'I wasn't married to him more than one week', she later related, 'when I said to myself, Marie Planitz, you've made the greatest mistake of your life.'"[92] Lombardi's perfectionism,[77][97] authoritarian nature[98] and temper,[92] instilled in his wife a masterful ability to verbally assault and demean Lombardi when he verbally abused her.[36] His children were not immune from his yelling. When Lombardi had not lost his temper, he would often be reticent and aloof.[99]
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Post by s73 on Jun 10, 2013 5:56:55 GMT -6
Coach Lombardi is an example of being a very successful man on the outside but very unsuccessful with his inner life. His wife became an alcoholic, he had very poor relationships with people, especially his son and daughter. He was very critical of his son's athletic ability. His son played D 3 football at St Thomas University in Minneapolis/St. Paul Minnesota. His son never got into the coaching end. he became a lawyer. His son however coaches. A quote from his wife. "He seemed preoccupied with football even on their honeymoon, and cut it short to get back to Englewood … 'I wasn't married to him more than one week', she later related, 'when I said to myself, Marie Planitz, you've made the greatest mistake of your life.'"[92] Lombardi's perfectionism,[77][97] authoritarian nature[98] and temper,[92] instilled in his wife a masterful ability to verbally assault and demean Lombardi when he verbally abused her.[36] His children were not immune from his yelling. When Lombardi had not lost his temper, he would often be reticent and aloof.[99] IMHO I think this is common place w/ people whose whole lives are made public. If any of our lives were made public I think we would all show short comings. With that being said, I think he still serves as a positive role model for people in our position and is a great resource on how to approach CERTAIN things. Maybe not fatherhood or marriage but I know I still find him inspiring in terms of football. Just my opinion.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 10, 2013 7:41:57 GMT -6
No one is perfect.
To paraphrase Lombardi himself- we have become a society that doesn't want to celebrate success, we are a society that wants to find something wrong with the successful so we can feel better about ourselves and our failures.
And if you're going to copy and paste from Wikipedia, at least take out the footnote numbers.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 10, 2013 7:56:21 GMT -6
Coach Lombardi is an example of being a very successful man on the outside but very unsuccessful with his inner life. His wife became an alcoholic, he had very poor relationships with people, especially his son and daughter. He was very critical of his son's athletic ability. His son played D 3 football at St Thomas University in Minneapolis/St. Paul Minnesota. His son never got into the coaching end. he became a lawyer. His son however coaches. A quote from his wife. "He seemed preoccupied with football even on their honeymoon, and cut it short to get back to Englewood … 'I wasn't married to him more than one week', she later related, 'when I said to myself, Marie Planitz, you've made the greatest mistake of your life.'"[92] Lombardi's perfectionism,[77][97] authoritarian nature[98] and temper,[92] instilled in his wife a masterful ability to verbally assault and demean Lombardi when he verbally abused her.[36] His children were not immune from his yelling. When Lombardi had not lost his temper, he would often be reticent and aloof.[99] IMHO I think this is common place w/ people whose whole lives are made public. I think it is also (sadly) common place w/ people whose whole lives are dedicated to a singleminded purpose.
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Post by s73 on Jun 10, 2013 11:33:06 GMT -6
IMHO I think this is common place w/ people whose whole lives are made public. I think it is also (sadly) common place w/ people whose whole lives are dedicated to a singleminded purpose. I concur w/ this. With that being said, this sounds like just about every NFL coach I've ever heard of. PS - I still list VL as one of the few people in history I would like to meet and talk with.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 10, 2013 11:44:28 GMT -6
I think it is also (sadly) common place w/ people whose whole lives are dedicated to a singleminded purpose. I concur w/ this. With that being said, this sounds like just about every NFL coach I've ever heard of. PS - I still list VL as one of the few people in history I would like to meet and talk with. Not just NFL coaches... The singular thought process is what drives MANY people to the heights of their profession...yet the depths of humanity.
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Post by blb on Jun 10, 2013 11:56:33 GMT -6
Have you ever been married, airman?
Seriously, I have posted this before, but those of us of an age know that the role of husband-father-provider and relationships between husbands and wives was MUCH different in the middle part of 20th Century than it has evolved to last generation or so.
The Lombardis were not all that different than many if not most Americans of their era, although any problems they had probably were exacerbated by the nature of his profession and the national attention he received.
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Post by s73 on Jun 10, 2013 12:27:54 GMT -6
Have you ever been married, airman? Seriously, I have posted this before, but those of us of an age know that the role of husband-father-provider and relationships between husbands and wives was MUCH different in the middle part of 20th Century than it has evolved to last generation or so. The Lombardis were not all that different than many if not most Americans of their era, although any problems they had probably were exacerbated by the nature of his profession and the national attention he received. Agreed.
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Post by blb on Jun 10, 2013 13:01:09 GMT -6
FWIW HBO aired a documentary on Lombardi last year (I think because of the Broadway play).
Both Vince Jr. and daughter Susan were interviewed.
Vince Junior alluded to how tough his father could be but at the end said (I'm paraphrasing), "I know he loved me, and I wouldn't change any of it."
Susan was crying almost uncontrollably as she talked about how much she loved and missed her father.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 10, 2013 14:13:28 GMT -6
I honestly couldn't watch this, as soon as I heard Chris Beerman talking I had to turn it off even if it was about Lombardi. I have to agree with others on here that there is a difference in professional and personal success. Being a great coach doesn't make you a great person. I coached with a guy who I would say was probably like Lombardi. In fact his picture is my avatar. I respect him as the greatest football mind and coach I have ever been around (so do a lot of big names in the coaching world). I also know his sons and the stories they have told have inspired me NOT to be like him in my family life. They love and respect their father but you can tell they still have issues related to him. On a side note that some may enter into evidence: deadspin.com/5805957/only-a-jets-fan-keeps-vince-lombardis-grave-from-being-a-neglected-embarrassment
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Post by s73 on Jun 10, 2013 17:14:26 GMT -6
I honestly couldn't watch this, as soon as I heard Chris Beerman talking I had to turn it off even if it was about Lombardi. I have to agree with others on here that there is a difference in professional and personal success. Being a great coach doesn't make you a great person. I coached with a guy who I would say was probably like Lombardi. In fact his picture is my avatar. I respect him as the greatest football mind and coach I have ever been around (so do a lot of big names in the coaching world). I also know his sons and the stories they have told have inspired me NOT to be like him in my family life. They love and respect their father but you can tell they still have issues related to him. On a side note that some may enter into evidence: deadspin.com/5805957/only-a-jets-fan-keeps-vince-lombardis-grave-from-being-a-neglected-embarrassmentI don't know how anybody else feels, but I think you can be a great man and still have serious shortcomings. He was great to his players and almost all of them will attest to his impact as life changing. I know he was strongly opposed to racism, and in fact stood up to the commissioner of the NFL b/c one of his players wanted to marry a white woman and the commissioner wanted him to dump the player (non star player btw), but he would not and openly supported the man and his wife in the midwest in the 60's, fairly courageous when you have no skin in the game. He was in favor of the civil rights movement and served in his local church. Unfortunately he was a poor father and husband. He still made a positive impact on many lives and for that I would consider him a great, but flawed man. As almost all icons are. Thomas Jefferson and G Washington were fighting for liberty while owning slaves and MLK was rumored to have a drinking problem and heavily rumored to be an adulterer. Muhammad Ali is revered by many as a civil rights hero while harboring many of his own racist views. I would suggest all of these men improved society in one way or another, thus making them great, yet deeply flawed. Just my opinion. PS - If these were not great men then what is the definition of a great man? Outside of Jesus Christ who else qualifies?
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Post by airman on Jun 13, 2013 8:55:14 GMT -6
Have you ever been married, airman? Seriously, I have posted this before, but those of us of an age know that the role of husband-father-provider and relationships between husbands and wives was MUCH different in the middle part of 20th Century than it has evolved to last generation or so. The Lombardis were not all that different than many if not most Americans of their era, although any problems they had probably were exacerbated by the nature of his profession and the national attention he received. 1. yes I have been successfully married 2. Read when pride still mattered 3. If you lived in green bay you know all about the lombardi tradition both the good and bad.
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Post by blb on Jun 13, 2013 9:03:05 GMT -6
Was kidding about being married, airman.
I was born in Green Bay and although we moved from Wisconsin when I was a toddler I grew up on the Lombardi Packers.
I too have read virtually everything written by and about Lombardi.
He certainly was not perfect or without flaws.
It is just difficult to judge human beings from the prism of several generations later, especially because the roles-relationships of men and women have changed drastically from the '50s-'60s.
Ever watched "Mad Men"?
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Post by fantom on Jun 13, 2013 9:39:26 GMT -6
Was kidding about being married, airman. I was born in Green Bay and although we moved from Wisconsin when I was a toddler I grew up on the Lombardi Packers. I too have read virtually everything written by and about Lombardi. He certainly was not perfect or without flaws. It is just difficult to judge human beings from the prism of several generations later, especially because the roles-relationships of men and women have changed drastically from the '50s-'60s. Ever watched "Mad Men"? Unfortunately sometimes people who are really good at their jobs are so single-minded that they don't have a great perspective on anything outside of the job.
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Post by blb on Jun 13, 2013 9:45:20 GMT -6
Was kidding about being married, airman. I was born in Green Bay and although we moved from Wisconsin when I was a toddler I grew up on the Lombardi Packers. I too have read virtually everything written by and about Lombardi. He certainly was not perfect or without flaws. It is just difficult to judge human beings from the prism of several generations later, especially because the roles-relationships of men and women have changed drastically from the '50s-'60s. Ever watched "Mad Men"? Unfortunately sometimes people who are really good at their jobs are so single-minded that they don't have a great perspective on anything outside of the job. This was more so "Back in the Day" when a man's identity revolved around his job because his main responsibility to family was as provider. Anne Hayes, Woody's wife, was once asked if she had ever considered divorce. "Divorce, no," she replied, "Murder, yes!"
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Post by airman on Jun 13, 2013 17:12:48 GMT -6
Unfortunately sometimes people who are really good at their jobs are so single-minded that they don't have a great perspective on anything outside of the job. This was more so "Back in the Day" when a man's identity revolved around his job because his main responsibility to family was as provider. Anne Hayes, Woody's wife, was once asked if she had ever considered divorce. "Divorce, no," she replied, "Murder, yes!" like 20 yrs ago the was talk of a movie about the life and times of woody hayes. They asked his wife about it and she said " well it will be g rated because there will be no need for any sex scenes"
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Post by onelooneyzeta on Jun 17, 2013 22:16:35 GMT -6
Hey everyone... I have burned the ESPN 1-hour program on Vince Lombardi to DVD, then input to HUDL. If you have seen it and would like to have me trade it with you on HUDL for your players and staff to watch, PM me and I'll get it to you. We did a little poll last year and asked our players to raise their hand if they new anything about Vince Lombardi other than he coached the packers and the superbowl trophy was named after him. Only had about 5 who put their hand up. how did you get it with sound?
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 18, 2013 9:34:14 GMT -6
when you publish in Hudl Video Editor you have to check the box that says "Include Audio in this Publish"
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Post by onelooneyzeta on Jun 22, 2013 11:15:08 GMT -6
so the trick is publishing it through video editor, not Mercury
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Post by cqmiller on Jun 23, 2013 13:20:29 GMT -6
Guess so... I publish everything through editor
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Post by onelooneyzeta on Jun 24, 2013 14:27:16 GMT -6
i gotcha, we've only uploaded through mercury. i guess thats from game nights. mercury, per hudl, is faster. so thats just what we've always done. but i've been uploading drill video from youtube. and some of the video has voice over which would be great to still have.
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Post by mahonz on Jun 24, 2013 15:58:48 GMT -6
If the Chiefs had won SBI would the NFL be playing for the Stram Trophy?
Like most that have risen to the pinnacle of any profession....timing is everything.
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Post by blb on Jun 24, 2013 16:20:07 GMT -6
If the Chiefs had won SBI would the NFL be playing for the Stram Trophy? Like most that have risen to the pinnacle of any profession....timing is everything. Maybe if Chiefs and Stram won it the next year, too. He-they didn't even get back to Super Bowl II. Chiefs lost 35-10 in SB I, Raiders 33-14 in SB II. Not like either was close. Lombardi and Packers won five NFL championships in nine years including first two Super Bowls. They lost 1960 NFL championship game 17-13 at Philadelphia. In 1963 when Paul Hornung was suspended, Pack was 11-2-1 - and finished second to Bears (11-1-2) in NFL West. In case anyone didn't know, Lombardi also was an assistant (OC) for Giants, coached in 1956 (won ) and 1958 (lost in OT "Greatest Game Ever Played") NFL championship games, too. So between 1956 and 1967, his last year with Packers, Lombardi coached in eight NFL championship games , winning six. Including first two Super Bowls (which were called "AFL-NFL Championship" games until 1969, not Super Bowls). So, yeah, Stram was a candidate to have trophy named after him. Knowledge and achievement trump everything, including "timing."
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Post by s73 on Jun 24, 2013 16:38:00 GMT -6
If the Chiefs had won SBI would the NFL be playing for the Stram Trophy? Like most that have risen to the pinnacle of any profession....timing is everything. But rising to the pinnacle is the tough part. Hence, the legacy.
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Post by blb on Jun 24, 2013 16:46:43 GMT -6
If the Chiefs had won SBI would the NFL be playing for the Stram Trophy? Like most that have risen to the pinnacle of any profession....timing is everything. But rising to the pinnacle is the tough part. Hence, the legacy. BTW, Lombardi's Packers are only NFL team to win three championships in a row (1965-67) since Cutly Lambeau's 1929-31 Packers did. Chuck Noll and '70s Steelers didn't. Nor did Bill Walsh and 49ers. Or any other coach-team you can name. So, yeah - "Lombardi Trophy" is pretty apt.
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