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Post by mholst40 on Feb 20, 2013 15:54:25 GMT -6
I think youre nuts to fight that battle. If a kid has a family gym membership or a personal trainer and his parents support him, encourage and motivate him to work out, youd be crazy to fight against that. I always have the same line " until you are stronger than me, you do it my way" and when someone says "I go to a trainer", I say "is he stronger than me? if so, go ahead". Seems like they appreciate that. While I get the premise behind your approach, I would venture to say I've been around personal trainers that are stronger than me that wouldn't have a clue how to design a program for an athlete. Just because some guy looks good or looks strong doesn't mean he/she knows what they're doing.
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Post by fantom on Feb 20, 2013 17:23:39 GMT -6
I think youre nuts to fight that battle. If a kid has a family gym membership or a personal trainer and his parents support him, encourage and motivate him to work out, youd be crazy to fight against that. I always have the same line " until you are stronger than me, you do it my way" and when someone says "I go to a trainer", I say "is he stronger than me? if so, go ahead". Seems like they appreciate that. Unless the trainer is going to play for us I don't see how it's relevant that he's stronger than me.
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Post by smfreeman on Feb 20, 2013 18:17:25 GMT -6
Like many others on the board if the player pays to workout with a "professional" that is fine with me but they only get so many days to miss a year. Also I use to coach in a town with a recognized performance facility and we had a bunch of athletes pay to workout there. Towards the time before I left the attitude had started to swing that our workouts were not good enough. With that being said it is important to sell your program to kids. Perception is reality! I like showing the kids videos of big time colleges working out and pointing out that we have similar workouts. Makes kids and parents think I'm an innovator.
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Post by clloyd on Feb 20, 2013 19:19:52 GMT -6
Thank you for he replies. The issue is the parent is paying for the workouts at the other facility. These are not football specific, but to be honest the program has produced a number of division 1 athletes, a large number. I encourage the players to participate in our program, but if the parent chooses to send them somewhere else can I really hold that against the player. Our lifting sessions cannot be mandatory and we have a large number of multi sport athletes so the weight room is not filled right now. Our numbers greatly improve in the summer.
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Post by fantom on Feb 20, 2013 20:01:07 GMT -6
Thank you for he replies. The issue is the parent is paying for the workouts at the other facility. These are not football specific, but to be honest the program has produced a number of division 1 athletes, a large number. Actually, they didn't turn out one single D.1 athlete. Mama and Daddy already did that.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 21, 2013 8:19:29 GMT -6
In the past, I have made the following points to kids and parents:
1. The kid may become a better player by going through a trainer but he'll be a sh-tty teammate. They need to lift with their team.
2. They're spending copious amounts of cash for a program they could get for free through the school. I'm just as qualified (if not more so) than most trainers.
3. Missing weights is missing weights, regardless of what they're doing.
4. Not training with the team shows a lack of respect for the program and for the team.
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Post by adawg2302 on Feb 21, 2013 18:49:26 GMT -6
I think youre nuts to fight that battle. If a kid has a family gym membership or a personal trainer and his parents support him, encourage and motivate him to work out, youd be crazy to fight against that. I always have the same line " until you are stronger than me, you do it my way" and when someone says "I go to a trainer", I say "is he stronger than me? if so, go ahead". Seems like they appreciate that. We are not fighting anything. We tell them they can do whatever they want...after they spend 3 hours a week lifting with their team. I have yet to see one player come thru our program that has not lifted off-season with our program, lifted at an outside place, and get better than others who lift through our program. There is something to be said about gaining leadership, teamwork, trust, etc...amongst your teammates & coaches.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 24, 2013 8:41:00 GMT -6
I lift at the local Y that has 2 stories and 4 different weight rooms (keeps all Ys in 3 counties afloat). I watch their trainers very close while I do the same strength program my kids do give or take an ex. I see the worst form, exercises, and psychology taught to their clients. If my guys are going there it explains a lot about how mentally and physically weak they are. Every kid that's told me they train with dad or a trainer has had terrible form, no flexibility or endurance. I think thy spend an hour on how to do abs and use a smith machine. Usually they're transfer juniors that are getting schooled by our 8th graders.
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Post by dsqa on Feb 24, 2013 16:09:33 GMT -6
For the record, I don't believe any player should miss his team workouts for outside training unless the coach himself clears the absence and there's no other option.
As a provider of outside training, I believe what we do should compliment or improve the player for the benefit of the coach and his team...I want what we do to serve the coach, not take away from what he's doing.
I do know the heartburn created for coaches by the egos of outside entities who forget that they should exist to serve the coach and his program, not drive players to divided allegiances.
It's difficult to get that message out there, when there are so many who think that the way to success is through diminishing the coach, not serving him...
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 24, 2013 18:29:21 GMT -6
Thank you for he replies. The issue is the parent is paying for the workouts at the other facility. These are not football specific, but to be honest the program has produced a number of division 1 athletes, a large number. I encourage the players to participate in our program, but if the parent chooses to send them somewhere else can I really hold that against the player. Our lifting sessions cannot be mandatory and we have a large number of multi sport athletes so the weight room is not filled right now. Our numbers greatly improve in the summer. As fantom mentioned ---I would be SHOCKED if the program "produced" a large number of division 1 athletes. A large number of division 1 caliber athletes have gone and trained there. That said, those type of environments, while pricey, probably don't SUCK...so at least your athlete won't be getting worse. Much better than working with a "personal trainer" at a local commercial club where they curl in the squat rack.
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Post by adawg2302 on Feb 25, 2013 17:06:58 GMT -6
I still don't see how training with an outside company is better than training with your team. Why can't your player do both (with team coming first)?
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Post by coachweav88 on Feb 25, 2013 17:14:14 GMT -6
It's difficult to get that message out there, when there are so many who think that the way to success is through diminishing the coach, not serving him... So true. Especially in pursuit of the almighty "scholarship".
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