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Post by airraider on Jan 1, 2013 13:57:45 GMT -6
Our school posts all kids who are in lunch/break detention on our daily announcement sheet... the teachers are to read it out, and its posted all over campus...
In reality... isnt this the same thing? Maybe not all the extra stuff he said... but the "these are the kids who are screwing up and not doing what they are supposed to do" message is loud and clear to anyone who reads it.
Of course we are a small private school and our admin does not play around when it comes to laying the smack down.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 1, 2013 16:42:41 GMT -6
Of course we are a small private school and our admin does not play around when it comes to laying the smack down. There's the key. Public school setting would have much less admin support and therefore make this A LOT riskier. While I like the idea of holding kids accountable to their effort, attendance, attitude, there's a lot of research saying that you'll get more mileage by praising the positives in lieu of disparaging the negatives. HOWEVER, you need to have a contrast at some point, so doing something like this periodically (rather than frequently) would definitely help accent what you're trying to do.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jan 1, 2013 19:38:32 GMT -6
They should physically post a list of teachers who haven't done their lesson plans to the fullest extent outside the principal's office.
They should post the names of all the teachers that haven't graded all of the students work thoroughly right after it was turned in and post it on the district website.
They should read off a list of all teachers that weren't on their post of duty every day without exception at school board meetings.
No difference but I am sure there would be a lot of people who would be less than thrilled with this being out in the open and there are still people who could be very good teachers without fulfilling these obligations. There are better ways to handle it such as face to face.
I would love to see how you justify putting up such a list in a public high school instead of addressing the kids in private or in front of their peers. What extra incentive is gained from posting a list like this?
As far as no teeth, who said you had to play them? Who said you couldn't effectively hold them accountable without posting a list.
If your best/fallback motivation tool is humiliation then maybe your teeth have been lost already.
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Post by buck42 on Jan 1, 2013 19:46:33 GMT -6
We do a Leadership Program and I post points weekly. We also post maxes on the board outside the weight room. After our next max I am going to post in the cafe along with their attendance percentage.
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Post by coachjm on Jan 1, 2013 20:31:00 GMT -6
Posting lifting attendance or maxes for all students is much much different then posting a list of those who are falling short. We too have an attendance chart, the main purpose is for us to chart attendance nothing more nothing less. We start our first session with the statement that offseason training is non mandatory and that this team is success and failures will be based on the team finding importance and motivation in this work if we as coaches have to force you to want to be better we likely will struggle as a football team. Attendance is taken for a couple incentives if they reach the percentage goals that our players set. Again the intent of this is what is key, it is not done to humiliate the players do not see it as a stress item our goal is for our boys to develop intrinsic motivation and purpose of self improvment not to force them to do it.
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Post by brophy on Jan 2, 2013 10:36:07 GMT -6
I've seen this work with great success in other schools and it NEVER has to be vindictive or humiliating. Do it through a newsletter to parents
and stay positive
coachd5058's other, more pertinent question, though....I don't have an answer for. If your Sam Montgomery's don't show up for weights and are still your baddest war daddys, what are ya gonna do? Particularly if 1) there is no one that can even compete with him and 2) what does it really matter so long as this guy shows up on game night and contributes significantly to a win?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 2, 2013 10:55:16 GMT -6
coachd5058's other, more pertinent question, though....I don't have an answer for. If your Sam Montgomery's don't show up for weights and are still your baddest war daddys, what are ya gonna do? Particularly if 1) there is no one that can even compete with him and 2) what does it really matter so long as this guy shows up on game night and contributes significantly to a win? That....i think is the "genius" of Coach Moffit's sign/"motivational technique". It basically is saying--"Hey Sam..you are are dude. You know it, I know it. You are our biggest and baddest, you are one of the biggest and baddest playing on Saturdays. But guess what, you AREN'T one of the biggest and baddest playing on Sunday, and they will find out about it.
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Post by downdownkick on Jan 4, 2013 13:59:56 GMT -6
My HS had maxes and attendance posted in the weight room and I don't really understand any school that doesn't. If you make it public who IS doing their work, the kids will know who they can count on and who's missing from that list.
I think that these lists are also more valuable long-term than short-term. You might motivate your seniors to show up, but you've got a much better chance of sending a message to your freshman as to what's expected of them in your program. You WILL be held accountable and rewarded for your effort. I remember being 13 and seeing those 900, 1000, 1100 LB club lists in the weightroom and knowing that was what I wanted to work towards.
Not to mention that if you post this stuff publicly, the girls in your school might notice too.
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Post by davishfc on Jan 4, 2013 14:10:45 GMT -6
Not to mention that if you post this stuff publicly, the girls in your school might notice too. Always an effective strategy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 14:45:02 GMT -6
This is a reason I created a Power Index for our workouts. Takes into account body weight, maxes, vertical, 40, and agility. The program compares players regardless of weight and presents a simple #. Those who don't show up, don't test well. They are ranked toward the bottom of the list. No shocker when those toward the top are the ones on the top of the depth chart. We are fortunate that our young guys are really buying into a good index score. They want it updated everytime we do a test.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Jan 4, 2013 16:42:29 GMT -6
In our state we can't make the offseason mandatory. Even if we could I don't know that I'd cut off my nose to spite my face. If a guy's a lot better than the other guy he plays. Kids know who's committed, who they can trust and who they can't. They also know who the best players are (their parents may not), and they want to win. If kids aren't showing up, sit them down and talk to them. If they still don't show up, they don't care that much. Tell college coaches that, if they ask. Don't make it public, and don't hurt the other kids. Plus, what about your athletes that are in other sports?
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