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Post by airman on Dec 19, 2012 21:42:05 GMT -6
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Post by jlenwood on Dec 23, 2012 20:58:14 GMT -6
I have to be honest with you here, but I have a real problem with punishing a kid for something they did on THEIR own time, completely away from school and NOT related to football. Now, before everyone aims their bazookas at me, I am against having players behaving in a disrespectful manner towards coaches, teammates or opponents. And that is an issue to be dealt with, but the other stuff......I don't think it is any business of the schools.
If a kid is dumb enough to tweet about drinking or smoking weed, and all of this from the original post happened out of football season, that should be a parental or legal situation, not a school related issue. That is why I don't like the player conduct rules that most schools ask a kid to sign that have any hold on a kid out of season, and this issue has been debated heatedly on here before.
Again, I understand the entire "making a program look bad" argument, but really, how does it become about "the program" when it is out of season?
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 23, 2012 21:48:29 GMT -6
I have to be honest with you here, but I have a real problem with punishing a kid for something they did on THEIR own time, completely away from school and NOT related to football. Now, before everyone aims their bazookas at me, I am against having players behaving in a disrespectful manner towards coaches, teammates or opponents. And that is an issue to be dealt with, but the other stuff......I don't think it is any business of the schools. If a kid is dumb enough to tweet about drinking or smoking weed, and all of this from the original post happened out of football season, that should be a parental or legal situation, not a school related issue. That is why I don't like the player conduct rules that most schools ask a kid to sign that have any hold on a kid out of season, and this issue has been debated heatedly on here before. Again, I understand the entire "making a program look bad" argument, but really, how does it become about "the program" when it is out of season? If a player was bashing the team out of season nothing would happen to them at our school unless the posts were threatening or naming coaches or faculty names. The drinking and drugs would most likely make it's way to the asst. principals office the and they would contact the police. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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Post by huthuthut on Dec 24, 2012 11:48:47 GMT -6
The players have a right to free speech. They cannot be jailed for it.
We can suspend any player who is detrimental or undermining the success of the team and the other players' hard work. It's our job to protect the efforts of those who are doing the right thing.
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Post by s73 on Dec 24, 2012 13:39:49 GMT -6
It is the school's job (administration) to have a policy in place for this. We have a policy that all athletes MUST sign in order to participate in any sport. It is a district wide policy that states that as an athlete you agree not to use drugs/ alcohol or behave in any way that is considered a violation of our athletic code of conduct (theft would be another example) and you will be held accountable in season or out. Once something like this occurs (tweeting about smoking weed for example) the AD calls the kid in and suspends him for half the season. That's it.
I could not imagine being held responsible on my own as a coach for enforcing these things. I think that is a sign of failure by your school district. MY heart goes out to you. Your drinker and smoker would have both been suspended by our policy (if season was over it would carry to next sport). As for the kid ripping the coaches, I handle that with what I call a POP (plate of pain). Kid carries a 45 lb. plate for a mile and can't set it down until he's done. If he does, he starts over. If he refuses he does not play until he finishes it. He cannot rest it on his head or shoulders he must carry it with his hands. Those fingers will be far to sore to tweet anytime soon.
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Post by amthd45 on Dec 26, 2012 14:16:09 GMT -6
The "Freedom of Speech" is not as "Free" as it sounds within the confines of a school, public or private *at least that is what I learned years ago in my education classes).
If a kid posts on his locker a sign that says" F____Coach Smith he sucks" , he will be punished for that. He doesnt have the 1st amendment at all in that case. There is a limitation to "Freedom of Speech "with students according to state laws in public schools.
If you are at a private school it can be even more limited. I have worked at private schools where they could legally suspend kids for off the field behavior such as drug use. The kids/parents signed a contract and thus have abide by the laws of the land.
Draw up a contract that each player/parent signs stating about your policy of use or misuse of twitter/facebook. Have them sign it and then they will know what is expected of them. The kids talking about being Cheech&Chong before school, would not mention such a thing if they knew there were consequences for doing so.
What a screwed up world we live in now aint it? I wish I had been born years earlier and didnt have to deal with this kind of crap!!
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Post by 42falcon on Dec 27, 2012 20:55:19 GMT -6
We had a few kids on our JR team this year hold a party after a game and had 2 of the kids off of the SR team run booze for them and get them some pot "allegedly"
The next week at school I get hauled into the Principles office and taken to see our schools resource officer (cop). Who starts by laying into us as to here is what happened and she has called parents and gone after a few of the boys & follows it up with OK now what are you going to do? (to me and the Assistant Principle)
-So she had a complaint from a parent followed up by looking into the party talking to the kids and fishing around on facebook.
Get this.... nothing happens (other than me talking to the boys about this all, yes we have a policy but... there was nothing proven only facebook and twitter comments).
Our AP basically tells me the the kids who are being accused of running the booze and supplying the party favors their parents have lost their minds over it saying "no not my boy". The message we get is if you do anything to punish them football related will bite us in the a$$ with the parent because they are telling us there is no proof.
It was a very strange day at the office I tell ya. I have never been so perplexed, we all knew the boys did wrong they knew they did wrong yet because of the adults involved no one could do anything.
One of the other AP's then said this: "if a kid does something on school property on school time it is our responsibility as they are under our charge, if we are responsible for their actions every waking moment outside the hours they are here we are in deep trouble"
Football as we talk here all the time is more than just X's & O's it's about connecting with these young men and helping them learn some lessons on being men while playing an amazing game as the vehicle to do that. This would have been a perfect time to execute this mandate. Instead I hope the chat I had with them had an affect I am sure riding the bench for the playoff game would have been even better..... I guess we will never know
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Post by msalazar51 on Dec 28, 2012 0:26:34 GMT -6
I have said it here on these boards before and I will say it again, the problem we have with all this social media stuff and in general the attitudes and entitlement of a lot of these kids isn't the kids at all, it is the parents. Kids are kids, they will do stupid stuff at times and need the space to redeem themselves.
The real issue is the parents who will not discipline their own. A parent that is so concerned as to weather or not their kid likes them that they will defend them to a fault. Those very same parents want to insure that others are punished to to fullest. I am 49 years old and I clearly remember that their was almost nothing a teacher or coach could do that would cause my parents to get all over them. In fact if my coach chewed my tail or pushed me around I would never go tell my Dad, because he would immediately get on my tail too and probably ground me for a lack of respect for my coaches.
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