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Post by dsa0305 on Dec 10, 2012 9:22:27 GMT -6
After our games on Friday I always load film in HUDL and then we usually have a get together at one of the coaches house. After that I usually stay up until around 4:00 watching the film. Saturday mornings we meet at 8:00 and usually go until around 1:00. I do not require my coaches to work on Sundays. I let my DC come up with his plan and we meet Monday morning before school to talk about it.
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Post by coach31 on Dec 10, 2012 9:38:53 GMT -6
Guys that watch film early (8 or before) Saturday with the kids, do you watch it first?
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 10, 2012 9:42:52 GMT -6
We play some games on saturday and some on friday. I do any film exchange and get tapes ready for my staff to pick up when they can. I let my D coordinator and special teams coordinator make their own plans and I make the O plan. They already know their time allottments in practices. We call each other at times during the weekend to throw ideas around. We don't formally meet as a group until after Monday's practice which is a bit shorter for the kids. Sometimes we stay a while especially if it's an unusual team we will play. Having weekends more flexible has given me a happy staff and hasn't IMO negatively affected our success. Coaches work harder on their own when they know we will meet Monday and will stay as long as necessary but they arrange their weekend how they want and can have a family life. Since we still do very well, I won't change it especially since we aren't making mega$$$$.
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Post by coach31 on Dec 10, 2012 9:43:22 GMT -6
I'm the associate head coach and have the QBs and WRs. We play mostly friday nights, but will have an occasional saturday game. I get up early Saturday and breakdown the game in HUDL. Thinking of trying to train another staff meember to help, but right now I do all the HUDL input. I try to have the whole thing done by noon (O, D, and ST). Some part of saturday and sunday I break down 2 of opponents games. We meet as an offensive staff sunday evening. Defense does not meet. We play JV games monday afternoon, but I am leaning towards Saturday AM. So Monday the kids watch film and lift while JVs play. Defense meets after the kids leave.
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Post by blb on Dec 10, 2012 10:04:55 GMT -6
Is there anything that can be done to cut down on amount of weekend time spent on Football?
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Post by mholst40 on Dec 10, 2012 11:22:29 GMT -6
Friday night 1. Staff "meets" at a coaches house 2. Load SL and EZ views into Hudl
Saturday 1. 7:00 am - Intercut SL and EZ shot 2. 9:00 am - Practice: watch game film, lift 3. 9:00 am - Trade w/ upcoming opponent via Hudl 4. 12:00 pm - Grade game film, make notes on Hudl, enter defensive stats/calls 5. Watch college football/hang out with the wife 6. Start breakdown of opponent's offense
Sunday 1. Continue breakdown of opponent's offense 2. Break down opponent's special teams 3. Draw scout play cards 4. Usually around 8:00 pm we will have a coaches meeting
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Post by davishfc on Dec 10, 2012 11:41:58 GMT -6
Is there anything that can be done to cut down on amount of weekend time spent on Football? What does your weekend set up look like Coach? How many responsibilities are delegated?
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Post by davishfc on Dec 10, 2012 11:45:51 GMT -6
Sunday4. Usually around 8:00 pm we will have a coaches meeting How long will that normally last Coach? That seems awfully late to get started. I understand most of the work has already been done at that point. I just know you'll want the game plan prepared to communicate to the players, I'm assuming after school, the very next day.
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Post by blb on Dec 10, 2012 11:51:36 GMT -6
Friday night we celebrate or commiserate together, usually at my house. Only Football is watching scores on TV.
Saturday morning I make film exchange. I watch our film, then begin breaking down opponents' Offense interspersed with watching CFB. I don't grade our players, they're all we have - can't trade them or check the waiver wire.
Coaches and kids are off Saturday.
Sunday I finish breakdown. We meet as staff from 3-5 pm (usually don't go that long).
Kids come in to watch our film, get oral scouting report, and watch some opponent film from 5-7 pm (again usually don't go all the way until 7).
After I get home I re-watch film before deciding on what plays to put on cards for Scout Offense.
Last year we had a Line coach with great background (played at Texas and in NFL-Europe, coached collegiately and one of biggest HS in state) who was really into watching film. He'd break down our film-put on HUDL for linemen, come over and copy trade DVDs so he could watch them before meeting too.
Alas family and job considerations may keep him from returning.
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Post by amikell on Dec 10, 2012 11:59:40 GMT -6
Our Schedule looks like this: Friday Night: Post Game to 1 or 130 am: Wash Uniforms, Upload Game to Hudl, burn game DVD and copies, watch game for 1st time.
Saturday: Official Staff meeting time is 9 am, but we have a lot of young kids, so many go to their kids games, or other stuff. The DL coach (me) and DC break down opponents offense and create reports for the rest of the staff. HC/OC and OL watch opponent def when they come in. Uniforms are finished and put away. RB and OLB coach often grade the previous nights' game. This time is usually arounf 3-4 hours. I am almost always home by 130. Things are very relaxed and nonchalant. No real staff meeting. Saturday Night I do the Special teams scout and film breakdown. I type up the scout sheet and game plan for the week for our ST. This takes about 2 hrs or so Saturday night after my wife and son go to bed.
Sunday: Complete work as needed.
All total, I think I only spend about 8-10 hours on football during the weekend.
I don't watch enough film. I have many other responsibilities to really watch enough film. For me, it's one of those things that I should be doing, but the cost/benefit (missing time with my son, not getting grading or lesson plans done for school, planning for wrestling/ know EXACTLY what our problem is on the DL and TE) is just not worth it. I am well prepared for the upcoming opponent, but I don't self scout/evaluate my position very well.
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Post by gapshoot76 on Dec 10, 2012 12:35:13 GMT -6
My schedule goes as follows... After game Friday upload film to hudl and make sure it is exchanged before I leave to enjoy some beers
Saturday morning confirm exchange and begin hudl film break down... Every coach has a responsibility on staff... Coaches responsibilities are due by noon on Saturday. At this point I usually run some reports together an idea of the next opponents. For me I usually choose one football game to watch and work the rest of my day around that game (family, film, and food)
Sunday I finish defensive scout EARLY in the morning and then dabble in film throughout the day depending on the honey do list. At 6pm we meet as a staff, exchange reports, and finish by 8.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 10, 2012 12:43:44 GMT -6
Here are the two weekend set ups that I've used:
Previous 5 years...
Friday -bus ride home -out at an establishment with staff (rarely) -burn copies of film when I got home -watch the film -I'd let it run just to set my mind at ease about what the issues were (just couldn't get a good night sleep without knowing) -I'd stop it periodically to check things but never a complete breakdown of our film, just wanted to know what need to be corrected -go to bed between 1 and 2...usually closer to 2
Saturday Early A.M. - Exchange with upcoming opponent, usually 7:00 A.M. although may have been later depending on how far away the half way point was -Drive back home Rest of Day -Break down film (usually two games, sometimes three) -Watch some college football
Sunday -Continue breaking down film -Meet with coaching staff from NOON-5 P.M. (opponent film review, go over breakdown, develop game plan, address personnel if necessary, modify practice segments if necessary to accommodate offensive corrections and defensive game plan, select players of the week O, D, ST, O Scout, D Scout) -Meet with players from 5:00-8:00 P.M. (film review of Friday night's game)
I used this set up to give everyone a day away from football. It also gave the players a longer weekend because they didn't have to be in from after the game on Friday until 5:00 P.M. Sunday evening. Didn't disrupt church for any families that did that on a weekly basis. The coaches were able to have a day for their families because I was the OC, DC, and STC so they weren't involved in the film breakdown on Saturday or early Sunday.
This year...
Friday -bus ride home -consistently met at assistant coach's house with spouses to unwind (uploaded film into Hudl during this time) -watch film with other coaches and we actually ran plays back more than I ever did just because there were a lot more eyes on the screen, position group coaches evaluating each of their kids
Saturday Early A.M. -Exchange with upcoming opponent, usually 7:00 A.M. although may have been later depending on how far away the half way point was -Drive back home -Or exchange on Hudl (we got it this year at the new school and it was great...exchanged with 5 of our 10 opponents via Hudl) -Meet with players from 9:00 A.M.-NOON (film review of Friday night's game) Rest of Day -DC would break down film -I'm the OC so I would break down our game and game plan for the next opponent based on what they showed on Hudl -I would also watch offensive film of our opponent to get an idea of what we needed to do defensively -Watch some college football
Sunday -Meet with coaching staff from 6:00-10:00 P.M. although my DC and I would normally end up staying to closer to 11 (opponent film review, go over breakdown, develop game plan, address personnel if necessary, modify practice segments if necessary to accommodate offensive corrections and defensive game plan, select players of the week O, D, ST, O Scout, D Scout)
I used this set up because the players had been accustomed to watching film on Saturday mornings around that time. I thought I would give it a try. However, they were not used to going for 3 hours like we did this year.
In the past, film would take about an hour. A couple coaches would come in, throw it in the DVD player and the players would run it. Those coaches would apparently burn DVDs, do laundry, etc. while film was going on. Naturally the players would WATCH the game, rewind for the long runs, great catches, big hits, and guys falling funny, all the B.S. that isn't going to help them get better as a team. The head coach would not be a part of it.
I made the significant change for them of being involved and going over the game play by play and almost position by position. I liked the players having to come in early because we thought it kept them from staying out all night. Regardless, after noon on Saturday, the players were done for the weekend.
The coaches were able to have most of the day at home with their families on Saturday and Sunday. Myself and my DC were basically the coaches with responsibilities to take care of on Saturday and Sunday. My other assistants would just watch the opponent film on Hudl before coming in to the staff meeting on Sunday night.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 10, 2012 13:04:31 GMT -6
Friday night we celebrate or commiserate together, usually at my house. Only Football is watching scores on TV. Saturday morning I make film exchange. I watch our film, then begin breaking down opponents' Offense interspersed with watching CFB. I don't grade our players, they're all we have - can't trade them or check the waiver wire. Coaches and kids are off Saturday. Sunday I finish breakdown. We meet as staff from 3-5 pm (usually don't go that long). Kids come in to watch our film, get oral scouting report, and watch some opponent film from 5-7 pm (again usually don't go all the way until 7). After I get home I re-watch film before deciding on what plays to put on cards for Scout Offense. Last year we had a Line coach with great background (played at Texas and in NFL-Europe, coached collegiately and one of biggest HS in state) who was really into watching film. He'd break down our film-put on HUDL for linemen, come over and copy trade DVDs so he could watch them before meeting too. Alas family and job considerations may keep him from returning. Is this the same set up you had when you were teaching full time? Or did you modify it since you retired? It looks quite manageable and similar to what I've done in the past. I'm contemplating returning to a similar set up to what I did the five years prior to this season. It'd be much more similar to what you've done except with more time with the staff and players. Just looking for a day away from the school for myself and the coaches who attend film on Saturday. I know that would make my wife happier also. Most of the time it was my DC and I that were up there with the kids. Sometimes other assistants would show but I didn't require any of the coaches to come.
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 10, 2012 13:25:56 GMT -6
My d coach has more to do film-wise then me on the o. We run DW so we prepare for anything we might see and spend more time with our game time adjustments to anything with our set rules. Very few teams do the same against us and always change during a game as well. I guess that me trying to dictate what we do rather than react to a pre-set notion of what they might do actually gives me more weekend time to a degree.
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Post by Trojan2017 on Dec 10, 2012 13:28:32 GMT -6
Saturday -Film and meetings from 6am-11am -I usually take the afternoon off to watch some college football -Begin to put our special teams scouting report together on Saturday night Sunday -Finish the Special Teams scouting report and continue scouting next weeks team. -Sunday meeting from 2pm-4:30pm Is your film session on Saturday from 6:00-11:00 A.M. with the players to go over the previous night's game? Or with the staff to go over the upcoming opponent's film breakdown? Or with both the players for a certain amount of time and then the staff for a certain amount of time? The players come in at 8 and we will have them run a few laps and then we do some stretching and what not. Sometimes we will do a very light lifting session. After that the kids will go watch the offensive film with the Offensive staff for about 45 minutes. The kids will then come to the defensive room for about 45 minutes as well. We try to get the kids out of there by 10am. The offensive and defensive staff breaks down/watches the next opponent from 6-8 and then they we will continue to break film down after they leave.
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 10, 2012 14:34:32 GMT -6
I'm not sure how common or uncommon our weekends are as a staff. I'll tell you one thing...we don't spend as much time together as a staff as many of you posting in this thread. The brunt of the weekend work is done by our HC and assistant HC. Since I'm in charge of our scouting I put in several hours breaking down our next opponent. Besides the three of us, No other staff member has any football duty from the time we leave the locker room after our game Friday night until practice on Monday. It's not really that the other staff members don't want robot in work, it's more the top two guys have 95% of the input. But that's a different topic.
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Post by blb on Dec 10, 2012 15:08:18 GMT -6
Is this the same set up you had when you were teaching full time? Or did you modify it since you retired? Pretty much way I've been doing it for last 13 years since I left college coaching, became HS header again. One school I was at wouldn't let us bring kids in on Sunday so we watched film Monday after school. At my last college job I realized a lot of the time we spent - grading players, doing D&D-field position tendencies e.g. - was just so much busy work that was not of any material value. We just did it because it had always been done, had to prove we were "grinders" working hard and justifying our salaries. So we eliminated that stuff along with some other (written scouting reports for one although my DC first two years here put together one on his own he gave to kids day before games). if I want a grade on a kid I ask his position coach to give me one in Jim Young's system: + = Championship O = Satisfactory, needs improvement - = Unsatisfactory The season is long enough and our coaches have a lot of other things going on in their lives without burdening them (or me) with what I consider unnecessarily time-consuming tasks.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 10, 2012 15:49:13 GMT -6
At my last college job I realized a lot of the time we spent - grading players, doing D&D-field position tendencies e.g. - was just so much busy work that was not of any real material value. Yeah that's the beauty of SBV. Same formation for the most part. Not too much in the way of formation and play tendencies. Plus, with veer there's a built in tendency breaker with the QB making his reads. The defense cheats to take something away, QB fixes it. So I can see where you're coming from with not charting your own tendencies. So we eliminated that stuff along with some other (written scouting reports for one although my DC first two years here put together one on his own he gave to kids day before games). So you have them for your staff but not for the players? That's what we do. What we go over in meetings and walk throughs has seemed to stick with them because we keep it simple. I would find too many reports lying around in the past. if I want a grade on a kid I ask his position to coach to give me one in Jim Young's system: + = Championship O = Satisfactory, needs improvement - = Unsatisfactory Nice system. Keep it Simple and Sound is a better definition of "K.I.S.S." in my opinion. Sometimes things can get so simple they become ineffective because they're just unsound. The season is long enough and our coaches have a lot of other things going on in their lives without unduly burdening them (or me) with what I consider unnecessarily time-consuming tasks. I understand what you mean. I don't want to put an unnecessary strain on my players, coaches, or their families. But there is a requisite of commitment and effort that must be contributed in order to compete. Once you're doing the tasks necessary to compete, a decision needs to be made about any additional tasks put on both the players and coaches. This goes back to the point of diminishing returns discussion we had a while back. If we truly believe it's going to create a significant edge and we can realistically commit to it with the people we have, we'll definitely consider it. But if the return is going to be minimal at best, especially during the season over the weekend, there is only so much time in a day.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 10, 2012 15:51:17 GMT -6
Since I'm in charge of our scouting I put in several hours breaking down our next opponent. This is, without a doubt, the most demanding weekend responsibility during the season.
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Post by fantom on Dec 10, 2012 18:15:40 GMT -6
Is this the same set up you had when you were teaching full time? Or did you modify it since you retired? Pretty much way I've been doing it for last 13 years since I left college coaching, became HS header again. One school I was at wouldn't let us bring kids in on Sunday so we watched film Monday after school. At my last college job I realized a lot of the time we spent - grading players, doing D&D-field position tendencies e.g. - was just so much busy work that was not of any material value. We just did it because it had always been done, had to prove we were "grinders" working hard and justifying our salaries. So we eliminated that stuff along with some other (written scouting reports for one although my DC first two years here put together one on his own he gave to kids day before games). if I want a grade on a kid I ask his position coach to give me one in Jim Young's system: + = Championship O = Satisfactory, needs improvement - = Unsatisfactory The season is long enough and our coaches have a lot of other things going on in their lives without burdening them (or me) with what I consider unnecessarily time-consuming tasks. Thing is what are you going to do with that info? I don't know about you guys but I've never coached anywhere where I could just say "Next".
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Post by davishfc on Dec 10, 2012 18:32:28 GMT -6
Pretty much way I've been doing it for last 13 years since I left college coaching, became HS header again. One school I was at wouldn't let us bring kids in on Sunday so we watched film Monday after school. At my last college job I realized a lot of the time we spent - grading players, doing D&D-field position tendencies e.g. - was just so much busy work that was not of any material value. We just did it because it had always been done, had to prove we were "grinders" working hard and justifying our salaries. So we eliminated that stuff along with some other (written scouting reports for one although my DC first two years here put together one on his own he gave to kids day before games). if I want a grade on a kid I ask his position coach to give me one in Jim Young's system: + = Championship O = Satisfactory, needs improvement - = Unsatisfactory The season is long enough and our coaches have a lot of other things going on in their lives without burdening them (or me) with what I consider unnecessarily time-consuming tasks. Thing is what are you going to do with that info? I don't know about you guys but I've never coached anywhere where I could just say "Next". I don't believe that's what blb is trying to imply. I know he doesn't feel like he has the ability to say "next" and fix the problem. This would just be a brief, easily communicated progress report on the player. It could certainly be used as a way to motivate players. Although, I can vouch that a grading system has a way of initiating disputes by players about their marks. From there, in-fighting has the potential to develop. I know, you're thinking, "well if you have in-fighting about that, then the team is not going to be successful anyway." Possibly, but we as coaches have to constantly weigh out the cost-benefit of doing everything we do. Grading systems are one of those things for me that we've attempted and not had the greatest success with. Might of been a couple of the players that we had. But that's quite an investment of time to not have a huge return on, in my opinion.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 10, 2012 19:17:13 GMT -6
One thing we did at one spot was grade practice. Before each game there would be a sheet on the bulletin board with each player and the grade he'd received for the week's practice.
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Post by cscs102002 on Dec 10, 2012 19:26:07 GMT -6
Began the season doing:
Friday night upload to HUDL
Coaches meet at 7AM to breakdown game
Players come in at 9 - Review previous game - quick team swim in school pool
Done by 11AM
Coaches must have next week's opponent breakdown and game plan ready by 5:00 PM Sunday
Record during week's 1-6: 1-5
THEN:
Friday after game: Go home or get dinner with staff
Saturday: Upload film from home and disseminate to coaches and players - Coaches/players on own to watch Friday's game and coaches independently devise next week's game plan at home on own time
Sunday: OFF
Monday: Quick meeting during the school day to talk about game plan
Mon-Thurs: Practice fast and fun
Record Week's 7-10: 4-0
GO FIGURE....
....BTW - this is opposite of everything I've ever thought was "right," but using trial and error with the kids we coach at our school, this approach worked for us. Can't see us going back for any reason unless an extenuating circumstance.
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Post by fantom on Dec 10, 2012 19:33:00 GMT -6
Thing is what are you going to do with that info? I don't know about you guys but I've never coached anywhere where I could just say "Next". I don't believe that's what blb is trying to imply. I know he doesn't feel like he has the ability to say "next" and fix the problem. This would just be a brief, easily communicated progress report on the player. It could certainly be used as a way to motivate players. Although, I can vouch that a grading system has a way of initiating disputes by players about their marks. From there, in-fighting has the potential to develop. I know, you're thinking, "well if you have in-fighting about that, then the team is not going to be successful anyway." Possibly, but we as coaches have to constantly weigh out the cost-benefit of doing everything we do. Grading systems are one of those things for me that we've attempted and not had the greatest success with. Might of been a couple of the players that we had. But that's quite an investment of time to not have a huge return on, in my opinion. I know. I agree with him.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 10, 2012 19:40:39 GMT -6
Record during week's 1-6: 1-5 Record Week's 7-10: 4-0 How much of a correlation do you honestly believe there was between the weekend preparation and these records? I just believe there are so many other more influential factors that could be credited with the records of both parts of the season.
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Post by cscs102002 on Dec 10, 2012 19:56:22 GMT -6
Coincidence surely is a large part. This was a conscious decision, however. Anecdotal as it seems, our kids seemed almost like a weight was lifted off their chests knowing they were done after the game on Friday until Monday. I gave it kind of a week-by-week feel. Each week we played better and better. I guess maybe we just got on a roll - but I saw better effort each week.
I am definitely not arguing that this is the "right" way to go about coaching your teams. I want to make that clear. It does, however, make the argument somewhat realistic relating to the benefit of bringing the kids in on the weekend? I know that thread has been covered over many times on this board, but it just makes you think...
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Post by norcaldiaz on Dec 10, 2012 23:32:45 GMT -6
Our HC does not believe in having the players come in on the weekends. Us coaches all live considerably far apart so we don't meet as a staff until after practice on Monday. We tell the kids to watch on hudl on their own to get the "oohs and ahhs" out so when we watch together on Monday they are more focused. I am the primary film guy and it was also my 1st year as OC - I gotta say I hardly watched a lick of college ball this year and my gf was ready to kill me for the amount of time spent on hudl.
Thurs night- begin tagging film on next opponent if we have some already
Fri- postgame @ establishment, home by 12:30am, intercut then start all uploads by 2am then sleep
Sat- wake up around 7 and begin tag/grading of our film. Usually we receive trade film around 1pm so get to work tagging and finishing scouting report.
Sun- Talk over the phone with HC/DC about previous game, discuss scouting report with HC and begin developing scripts/points of emphasis for the week's practices.
We watch the opponent's film throughout the week at lunchtime. I take the QB and maybe a couple of OL who don't play defense in my classroom and the DC takes everyone else to watch the opp offense. Usually spend 3 lunches with them then give them Th and Fri off unless we feel they need more time seeing film.
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 11, 2012 5:06:11 GMT -6
cscs and norcal: That is the format we have used for my 32 years of coaching and I've had fantastic longevity keeping good coaches with me. Unless all I do is coach football as a job, that will be how it will stay.
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Post by chemcoach on Dec 11, 2012 8:23:35 GMT -6
Friday: Hangout as a staff and upload film to hudl. Watch a few plays that I might have wondered about but mostly try to stay away from watching.
Saturday Hudl exchange with other team by 10 am. At that point every varsity coach is responsible for a piece of the breakdown of the 3 games from a location of choice. Strength coach broke down ODK, d&d, yards gained, OLB's coach did formation and run strength of formation, ILB did play name and play direction, DB's did pass strength and field/boundary, DC/DL coach play type and identified ball carrier/thrown to. As HC/OC I took care of breaking down opponent's defense. Everything was to be done by 10 am Sunday. As for our game each position coach is responsible to send out 10-20 clips from our game Friday to their position group with notes by Sunday afternoon.
On Sunday we would meet as a staff from 5-7 pm. I would meet at 4 with my RB's coach who is also on the headset with me during games to further develop offensive game plan. At this meeting we go over previous game, look at next opponent, and layout the practice plan for the week.
Monday is an offensive practice so after school we meet with position groups for about 20 minutes to go over film from previous game. Then we meet as a team for about 30 minutes to go over scouting report (use hudl presentation). After practice meet again as a staff to finalize defensive game plan and we have a defensive practice on Tuesday with the same procedure as above.
I am very lucky to have a great staff that was on board with splitting up the film breakdown. We had a coaches hudl clinic in the summer so every coach had the same columns, knew correct terminology to put in, and how to breakdown the film. We actually practiced right in a room breaking down old film until everyone was comfortable. As the head coach it was great having every coach do a piece of the breakdown because I knew that all coaches would be prepared for the meeting. I think hudl might be the greatest coaching tool ever created.
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Post by mholst40 on Dec 11, 2012 10:49:30 GMT -6
Sunday4. Usually around 8:00 pm we will have a coaches meeting How long will that normally last Coach? That seems awfully late to get started. I understand most of the work has already been done at that point. I just know you'll want the game plan prepared to communicate to the players, I'm assuming after school, the very next day. We do it later mostly so our coaches can have a little bit of time to spend with family on the weekend. Going later allows them to put their kids to bed. Most of the work is done when we meet. Our meetings don't last more than two hours usually.
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