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Post by football247365 on Apr 4, 2012 10:28:27 GMT -6
What was the biggest lesson you learned early on in coaching?
Almost like "I wish I knew then what I know now".
For me, it has to be "that it doesn't matter how much YOU know, but how much the PLAYERS know"
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Post by coachseth on Apr 4, 2012 10:42:34 GMT -6
The attitude of the coach sets the tone for the attitude of the players.
I learned that last year after we lost a heartbreaker in the final minute. All year we had been looking for emotion from the players, and after months of hard work we finally saw the emotion from them when we showed the emotion ourselves. I also learned if you're not passionate and having fun, most times your players aren't passionate and having fun.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 10:44:52 GMT -6
Politics ARE in football...I tried fooling myself for years on this one...won't let it happen again...
Duece
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Post by cwaltsmith on Apr 4, 2012 10:52:22 GMT -6
You can only compromise for a short time without it catching up to you. Sooner or later your gonna pay for it so draw the line in the sand and work on getting more players on your side.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 11:36:23 GMT -6
The importance of making every single rep and drill in practice as meaningful as possible was one of the first lessons I learned. Learned it the hard way as I didn't do a good enough job of that with my first coaching job!
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 4, 2012 11:37:59 GMT -6
Be true to you... You are who you are... Also run what you know and especially what you know the answers to...
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 4, 2012 12:52:05 GMT -6
Getting your assistant coaches to buy in is harder than the kids... Assistants all have their 2-cents on what you should do, what info needs to be determined, but most of the time they don't want to put in the hours to do so.
The kids don't know any better, but the adults all think they do. That politicing is the biggest headache IMO.
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Post by kylem56 on Apr 4, 2012 12:56:35 GMT -6
Treat your players like they are your own kids. Once they know you would run through a wall for them, they will do what you ask of them.
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Post by warriorofthepast on Apr 4, 2012 12:56:41 GMT -6
Politics ARE in football...I tried fooling myself for years on this one...won't let it happen again... Duece this |
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Post by warriorofthepast on Apr 4, 2012 12:57:13 GMT -6
Getting your assistant coaches to buy in is harder than the kids... Assistants all have their 2-cents on what you should do, what info needs to be determined, but most of the time they don't want to put in the hours to do so. The kids don't know any better, but the adults all think they do. That politicing is the biggest headache IMO. and this |
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Post by wingtol on Apr 4, 2012 13:00:41 GMT -6
Don't trust parents. No matter who they are they have one agenda...their son.
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Post by fantom on Apr 4, 2012 13:07:57 GMT -6
Politics ARE in football...I tried fooling myself for years on this one...won't let it happen again... Duece this As long as you understand what this lesson is. It doesn't mean to screw anybody or backstab to get ahead. It means to watch your back. |
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 4, 2012 13:28:56 GMT -6
Stick to your guns and trust your gut.
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Post by CoachCP on Apr 4, 2012 13:40:50 GMT -6
It doesn't matter what you know, all that matters is what the kids know and can execute properly.
Don't give kids 50 tendencies during meetings. Heck, don't give them any. Tendencies are for you. Let your kids follow their keys and know who the opponents playmakers are. That's more than enough for a 15-18 year old. Once you make the kids think they start to suck.
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Post by fantom on Apr 4, 2012 13:54:01 GMT -6
It doesn't matter what you know, all that matters is what the kids know and can execute properly. Don't give kids 50 tendencies during meetings. Heck, don't give them any. Tendencies are for you. Let your kids follow their keys and know who the opponents playmakers are. That's more than enough for a 15-18 year old. Once you make the kids think they start to suck. I don't completely agree with that. I think formation tendencies help the kids a lot. If we find a strong tendency that could help them we need to tell them. Examples: "2nd down, they love screens and draws". "They like to run play-action and take a deep shot after a turnover". I agree that the kids don't need every tendency but some can help the players read their keys better. It's our job to understand the difference. |
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Post by lochness on Apr 4, 2012 17:11:35 GMT -6
1. Building strong relationships is more important that building strong schemes and practice plans. Relationships with the kids, parents, administration, coaching staff, youth program leaders and other coaches in your league.
2. You never know as much as you think you do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 17:19:46 GMT -6
" I dont know what the key to success is.. I dont, but the key to failure is to try to please everybody"..... Bill Cosby
Best lesson Ive ever learned
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 18:53:30 GMT -6
I heard a coaching legend say that "coaching is really about eliminating mistakes."
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Post by CoachCP on Apr 5, 2012 8:15:22 GMT -6
I don't completely agree with that. I think formation tendencies help the kids a lot. If we find a strong tendency that could help them we need to tell them. Examples: "2nd down, they love screens and draws". "They like to run play-action and take a deep shot after a turnover". I agree that the kids don't need every tendency but some can help the players read their keys better. It's our job to understand the difference. I used to completely agree with you. But something I learned from an assistant on the Bears staff has stuck with me recently and it proved effective last year. If you teach a kid to read a key... be it on defense, offense, etc... they'll execute that action that goes with that key. If they're told "hey, they throw screens on 3rd down" and then the pass rush lays off expecting that rather than looking at the OL's key's for screens, they're going to put the secondary in a bad situation b/c they won't rush as hard. When Warren Sapp went to the Raiders, he told their DL coach this... "If I follow their tendencies, I'll be right maybe 40% of the time, if I follow my keys I'll be right 100% of the time". I think the other thing that goes into this is the idea that data is so weak for most opponents. If you have even 4 games worth of data, and you look at 3rd and Short data, you have what... maybe 10-15 scenarios? Maybe for 1st and 10 you'll be better off, but what about all the variables that affect that play call? Field Position, Score, injuries, matchups, defensive coverage/adjustment, offensive formation, heck play off implications based on points scored if your league does that... there are just so many variables that affect the limited data we have that I just don't buy it as much as I used too. A lot of times, if you change one or two scenarios on let's say 2nd and Long from run to a pass their tendencies will change significantly (5-10%). I'd rather spend that time teaching kids how to react or understand their keys. That way they don't think, they just play. |
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Post by kboyd on Apr 5, 2012 10:11:38 GMT -6
Two things:
1. Praise in groups and criticize alone
2. an old cheesy saying that I wholeheartedly agree with: "The kids don't care how much you know until they know how much you care."
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Post by John Knight on Apr 5, 2012 11:12:32 GMT -6
First thing I learned when I started coaching was that,many kids can't bend their knees. You find the kids that can bend their knees, get in a football position or drop their @ss, whatever you want to call it and make players out of them. It is darned hard to make a good football player out of a kid that can't bend their knees.
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Post by blb on Apr 5, 2012 11:18:35 GMT -6
It is darned hard to make a good football player out of a kid that can't bend their knees. Not if he has "heart"! |
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Post by fantom on Apr 5, 2012 11:25:28 GMT -6
It is darned hard to make a good football player out of a kid that can't bend their knees. Not if he has "heart"! A kid with heart would take a ball-peen hammer to the back of his knees and MAKE them bend if he really wanted it. |
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Post by fantom on Apr 5, 2012 12:41:45 GMT -6
I think a lot of what's been said can be summarized this way:
Be ready to do the tedious.
I just got a reminder of this. We're finalizing our playbook, which we do on Playmaker. This mostly entails editing last year's playbook and making any needed changes. This year I've gone to a new team. We have names for each defensive position player and some are named after our mascot which, naturally, has changed. It's been LOADS of fun going over every page and changing P's to W's. Had to be done, though.
I think that much of what's been suggested-attention to detail, planning, off field duties- can be encapsulated into that: BE READY TO DO THE TEDIOUS (or maybe I'm just hallucinating after hours of editing).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 14:42:45 GMT -6
I think a lot of what's been said can be summarized this way: Be ready to do the tedious. I just got a reminder of this. We're finalizing our playbook, which we do on Playmaker. This mostly entails editing last year's playbook and making any needed changes. This year I've gone to a new team. We have names for each defensive position player and some are named after our mascot which, naturally, has changed. It's been LOADS of fun going over every page and changing P's to W's. Had to be done, though. I think that much of what's been suggested-attention to detail, planning, off field duties- can be encapsulated into that: BE READY TO DO THE TEDIOUS (or maybe I'm just hallucinating after hours of editing). Not to criticize, but w/the chageover in this business, my players are called "ends" and "tackles" or "inside linebacker", not "wolves", "panthers" or "bears"...might free up some of your time in the future... Duece |
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Post by fantom on Apr 5, 2012 14:52:12 GMT -6
I think a lot of what's been said can be summarized this way: Be ready to do the tedious. I just got a reminder of this. We're finalizing our playbook, which we do on Playmaker. This mostly entails editing last year's playbook and making any needed changes. This year I've gone to a new team. We have names for each defensive position player and some are named after our mascot which, naturally, has changed. It's been LOADS of fun going over every page and changing P's to W's. Had to be done, though. I think that much of what's been suggested-attention to detail, planning, off field duties- can be encapsulated into that: BE READY TO DO THE TEDIOUS (or maybe I'm just hallucinating after hours of editing). Not to criticize, but w/the chageover in this business, my players are called "ends" and "tackles" or "inside linebacker", not "wolves", "panthers" or "bears"...might free up some of your time in the future... Duece We flip-flop so naming positions makes sense for us. If I'm going to have to do this EVERY 24 years, though..... |
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Post by hchscoachtom on Apr 5, 2012 19:01:21 GMT -6
Some administrators will hold your "rookie" errors against you, as you try to move up to the next level of coaching. Positive relationship with all administrators is crucial.
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Post by jlenwood on Apr 5, 2012 20:10:15 GMT -6
"Positive relationship with all administrators is crucial. "
Administrators are weasels. Deuce is right, the politics involved with coaching HS ball are incredible.
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Post by blb on Apr 6, 2012 7:18:24 GMT -6
We flip-flop so naming positions makes sense for us. If I'm going to have to do this EVERY 24 years, though..... LOL. I last redid my playbook in 1999 when I took what I thought would be my last job. Two jobs later I'm just too lazy to do it again. So I tell coaches and kids, "Where you see Hawk (or even Trojan), just think Huskie." |
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Post by calkayne on Apr 6, 2012 7:55:49 GMT -6
Dont do something, do your job.
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