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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 18, 2012 17:36:37 GMT -6
Watching the NCAA basketball tournament, and I keep seeing games with 15 point differentials and starters still in the game, or subs coming in to dribble out the clock. I was wondering how many of our football brethren here look for opportunities to get MEANINGFUL reps in games that have been decided.
It is kind of surprising, since there isn't really a "physical element" like there is in football (ie, sending in a kid to get POUNDED). Not sure why I don't see more bench guys getting meaningful reps.
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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 18, 2012 17:45:21 GMT -6
in 2010, we were a first year football team playing a varsity schedule w/o seniors and only 1/2 a junior class...needless to say we took our lumps in a few games especially near the end of the year when were were really banged up. I actually kept my starters in the game as much as I could so when the other team started subbing ...the kids were able to experience some success against competition that was more equal..I was criticitized in some sectors but I believe that small victories lead to bigger victories..the next year we were able to blow out some people and we tried to sub as soon as wee could
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 18, 2012 17:55:39 GMT -6
Jerry--obviously a little different situation when your starters are "bench guys" for your opponents. But I just saw UNC make a substitution with about 40 seconds left..up by around 15... why? Thats what I don't get.
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Post by fantom on Mar 18, 2012 18:51:58 GMT -6
Jerry--obviously a little different situation when your starters are "bench guys" for your opponents. But I just saw UNC make a substitution with about 40 seconds left..up by around 15... why? Thats what I don't get. C'mon, man. You're not going to make us try to figure what basketball coaches are thinking, are you? To answer your actual question, in a blowout we'll usually spot in some young players with the first group before we start making wholesale changes. |
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Post by JVD on Mar 18, 2012 19:55:54 GMT -6
Great HS b-ball coach here in the U.P. Rae Drake. He is now an assistant at Michigan Tech.
He always had about 8 starters.
His philosophy (From me watching....not straight from his mouth) was that a "medioker" kid will play up at a higher level when playing with better players.
So....start 5
Quickly sub in 1 (4 starters 1 sub)
Sub in another (3 starters 2 subs)
Starter back in (4:1)
New sub in (3:2)
I watched medioker kids playing GOOD basketball in the 4th quarter.
I always remember that because ususaly when you see the scrubs in the game...there are a TON of mistakes.
Just my observation....
JVD
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Post by newt21 on Mar 18, 2012 19:59:20 GMT -6
I try to steal as many meaningful reps for my 2nd stringers as I can to help build for next year and in case if (God forbid) a starter goes down. Another reason to get the 2nd stringers in is it will boost their confidence by getting them game time. I don't have a specific time or point spread that I go by, I just go by how the game seems to be flowing. The more reps the backups get, the better they'll be in the future and the more motivated they'll be!
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 18, 2012 20:15:44 GMT -6
Great HS b-ball coach here in the U.P. Rae Drake. He is now an assistant at Michigan Tech. He always had about 8 starters. His philosophy (From me watching....not straight from his mouth) was that a "medioker" kid will play up at a higher level when playing with better players. So....start 5 Quickly sub in 1 (4 starters 1 sub) Sub in another (3 starters 2 subs) Starter back in (4:1) New sub in (3:2) I watched medioker kids playing GOOD basketball in the 4th quarter. I always remember that because ususaly when you see the scrubs in the game...there are a TON of mistakes. Just my observation.... JVD That makes some sense. When we subbed wholesale, we got nothing accomplished. Our line couldn't block, so the RB would get killed, we didn't complete any passes because we couldn't throw or catch. It would make more sense to do it a few guys at a time. But, since we play fewer games, there would be far less opportunities to do this, so you won't get a lot of kids in. |
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 18, 2012 20:42:45 GMT -6
We won our first round play off game by a large (obscene) margin. We were up 44-0 at the end of the first quarter. At that point I did the following:
First I brought in three back up backs to run with the QB and first OL.
Then next series I went backup QB with some of the first backs for reps.
Then we went wholesale JV offense for the entire second half. It was 66-0 and wound up 75-7.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 9:10:23 GMT -6
I learned years ago that when it comes to subbing on the offensive line, unless you're playing somebody truly hapless, you probably dont want to sub in more than one or two of your chicken boxes at a time. Anymore than that and you really lose the ability to execute any play and it just really isn't much fun for anybody.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 19, 2012 9:15:08 GMT -6
I went and watched our video of that game now too. When we subbed in those backs we had at least 3/5 of the starting OL in at any one time. I agree that unless you're playing a really hapless team you need to leave at least some of your OL in there.
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Post by fantom on Mar 19, 2012 11:02:57 GMT -6
I went and watched our video of that game now too. When we subbed in those backs we had at least 3/5 of the starting OL in at any one time. I agree that unless you're playing a really hapless team you need to leave at least some of your OL in there. We had a game like that a few years ago. After we emptied the bench, which included some JVs, I went to the OC and told him, "I don't want to tell you how to call plays but you might want to keep in mind the fact that I don't know the Left Tackle's name." |
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Post by newt21 on Mar 21, 2012 6:34:26 GMT -6
The first players I get out are my QB and my RBs. I keep my starting OL in there to run a few series with the second string skill players. Once we've gotten a first down or two, the most I will sub in on the OL (depending on our depth) is 3 players. It is rare that I do a whole sale sub in on offense. On defense, we sub in our ILBs (not Mike), our corners, and our DL while keeping our starting Mike, OLBs, and Safety in the game. If I bring Mike out, I'll keep in at least one of the other ILBs, typically both of them and our safety is the last person we sub in for on defense.
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