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Post by coachtds on Dec 20, 2011 0:42:43 GMT -6
What a great question!
When I first started coaching (OCing a HS team) I would watch so much game film that it started ruining my ability to "just" watch a college or pro game. At that time (15 years ago) I could have easily watched 3 college games on Sat, and 2 or 3 more pro games on Sun. Now, it usually surprises people when they hear me say, that I haven't had my TV hooked up for 2 years. I'll catch an occasional game, and being a huge Eagles fan, I'll listen to Merle Reese call games live on the internet but other than that, I'll see only a handful.
I usually start with OL and I'll watch LBs too.
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 20, 2011 7:07:14 GMT -6
All depends who I'm watching. NFL not really anything, just watch but I rarely watch a full pro game. Luckily for me the Browns aren't on down south so I listen to them on the radio for about a quarter to a half before I start my typical "the Browns suck" rant and toss my Kosar jersey.
College I go ahead and DVR the games that I want to look at their offense and I kind of break it down like I would our film. If they run something similar to what we run or that we have been looking at/considering/wrinkle we could run I wind up rewinding and breaking it down. Obviously that has to be tempered if there are a few people over watching the game with us but my wife has learned to deal with me rewinding to show her something in the blocking scheme or how they read/played the option perfect.
So it's a fine line between fan and coach mode but DVR makes it so much easier to balance both.
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Post by dvo45 on Dec 20, 2011 9:59:58 GMT -6
Big plays...
...and how did the defense miss an assignment that led to it...
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 20, 2011 10:58:34 GMT -6
Anyone ever log-on to NBC.com during Sunday Night Football and watch from the end zone camera? That's a feature they have. Never done it, but I'd imagine watching the game from that angle would be very interesting. Never knew that..will try it this weekend..is it live?
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Post by julien on Dec 21, 2011 5:35:15 GMT -6
Nothing really during NFL games. I'm just trying to be a good Packers fan. During college games I watch OL and Routes/Concepts when it's a pass play. Oh! I LOVE your commercials!!!
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Post by sdfbcoach on Dec 21, 2011 11:44:54 GMT -6
NFL games I watch just to watch although I dont really get into the NFl all the much except for fantasy fb reasons. I love watching college games and will generally record games onto dvds and breakdown the offenses of teams I like or run similar stuff to what we do. Otherwise I watch for the fun of it and will at times watch the tecnique of the players, how wr's get off press, pass rush moves and how ol handles them, etc. The DVR and DVD recorder are 2 of the greatest inventions ever!
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Post by coachks on Dec 21, 2011 11:53:34 GMT -6
DVR is such a great feature to have. Instead of spending last night watching 30,000 beef-o-brady's commercials (I don't even know what it is, but it's not around here), I would just rewind some plays I found interesting (especially the FIU stuff where they were using the blocking back). Rewind just enough to miss the replay's, skip over the challenges, injury timeouts and half-time show.
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Post by dc207 on Dec 21, 2011 16:08:30 GMT -6
Same here. The first thing I'm looking at is "what's the defense giving em Strong/Weak along the DLine? (9,5,Shade or 3, 9, etc)" and "what is in the box? (4-2, 4-1, 5-1, etc)" I look to see that then usually end up watching the ILB's reactions/first steps/pass drops or the stunt/blitz called. Later on you can see patterns for an offense coming back to a certain formation, or a defense adjusting. I try to look at blocking schemes, too, but it's hard. Power is easy to see (who can't see the big guard pulling?), along with IZ/OZ. I try to train my own eye's while watching games. I'm still way behind where I want to be.
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Post by coachb42 on Dec 21, 2011 18:50:16 GMT -6
I try to watch college teams that run stuff similar to what we do. My wife started getting mad when I said I have to watch this team or don't delete that dvr because they run stuff similar to us. In the end she decided to start learning more about football so she could tell me that we don't run what a specific team is running.
On the other hand a lot of you have said that people can't stand watching games with you because you rewind things a lot ( I love to do that as well) however I have the opposite problem. At a lot of family gatherings all I hear people do is complain about the OC or the quarterback and don't have a clue what the team is trying to do. It is annoying to the point where I go and play cards so that I don't have to hear several uncles whining about why the Lions don't run the draw when I have just watched them run it twice in the last two series.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 13:06:46 GMT -6
Okay, there's the front, there's the shades, can't see the Safeties, line is balanced/unbalanced.... dang it, they snapped the ball and now the camera's following the ball and I can't see a darn thing. I really agree. If it is my favorite team I watch as a fan. If it is a team that intrigues me based on their offense, I DVR it and try to look at it closer.
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Post by CoachCP on Dec 22, 2011 14:31:51 GMT -6
I'm a complete, idiotic, blood thirsty fan when I watch Da Bears. I'm the epitome of what I hate as a coach when it comes to them.
Now, I'm a fan of Notre Dame too, but no where near to that level. I'm a casual fan of Wisconsin and Florida too (family ties), but nothing like ND, which, like I mentioned, isn't on the level of Da Bears.
Besides the Bears, I watch games from a coaches perspective. I watch ND from a mixed perspective I guess. For those "coach view" type games, I watch line play, and try to look for interesting things, try to watch technique and then some scheme when the angles let me. But for the Bears I'm a fan.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 22, 2011 18:35:50 GMT -6
-on tv, i watch the formation/defensive alignment -in person, i watch the safeties
most of the time on the couch it is the backside of my eyelids.
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Post by brackhanma on Jan 7, 2012 0:20:51 GMT -6
I try to watch and pick out small things on the defensive and offensive lines. As stated before once the ball is snapped it gets tough to see much but those first two steps of the O and D line are important. I've noticed since getting into coaching I am much better off watching games by myself or with someone who gives a hoot.
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Post by wybulldogs on Jan 20, 2012 0:30:44 GMT -6
I always look for new offensive concepts that I can incorporate into my playbook. Whether it's a formation that I could take advantage with, or a play that would work out of my preexisting offense. Just a few weeks ago I saw a great formation being run by Sam Houston State. Decided to draw it up and found that I was able to run a good percentage of my base plays from it. It will give us a different look, but still would play into what I already run.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Jan 20, 2012 17:56:42 GMT -6
My wife roll her eyes...especially when she catches on seeing a player like Tebow in a Gator's jersey as I'm watching whatever college football I can in the off months.
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Post by scuba16 on Jan 20, 2012 18:09:04 GMT -6
My wife thinks i'm nuts but I call pass or run out loud almost every play I watch. I'm constantly looking at the OL first 2 steps.... NFL is kinda boring but I love watching the variation in the blocking schemes used in College. I also love when they give you the endzone look.... so much easier to see route concepts and defensive coverages. I wish Direct TV would come up with a way to switch views from sideline to behind the O to behind the D. That would be awesome.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 20, 2012 22:45:20 GMT -6
For many years I have wished for the same thing, only to be called "crazy" and "sports-obsessed." it seems I now have allies.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 21, 2012 6:28:46 GMT -6
like many of you guys, i often find myself watching games alone...... i drive my friends/family bananas with the remote using it as a cowboy. i will rewind constantly, and often will draw up schemes on index cards. i find it almost impossible for me to watch games "as a fan". and i am talking strictly college/h.s games. i cant stand to watch NFL games at all. Yeah, but just tell them all the time you have saved them by not watching commercials. I just watch the game, but if something strikes me as interesting or out of the ordinary I will rewind it and draw it up, I find myself doing this a lot more watching college football than I do the NFL. Before DVR, I used to get so ticked because there are many plays that I wanted to see the replay and they would never show it, because wasn't replay worthy. Just show a close up of a coach or a player or tell me what chytty Sitcom is coming up this week on ABC, when I wanted to see if they really did pull the center on the last play. Now I have DVR and I am not as angry.
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Post by coachmitts on Jan 21, 2012 14:29:00 GMT -6
I like to watch the lines play. Both OL and DL. Watching the stunts, get offs, the pulling guards/tackles. I am a defensive guy, so when a D-lineman makes quick work the oline, I tend to smile.
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Post by dblwngr on Jan 28, 2012 14:38:26 GMT -6
NFL= I watch Zone left, Zone right, Zone fake boot....yaaawwn
College= Always looking to see if the defense is running any of the blitz packages or stunts/slants we run if they are a similar defense.
Also watching the coverage scheme- Can I pre snap read the coverage, do they disguise the coverage then roll into something else?
I also love to watch defenses defend option teams- Does the man responsible for pitch bite on the QB? Does the man responsible for QB ever bite on dive, and so on....
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Post by coachsmi0901 on Aug 25, 2013 20:09:31 GMT -6
I try to watch as a fan, but then I listen to the commentators then get mad. Plus, you can't see anything outside to really understand what's going on. I end up getting more mad at the stupidity from the commentators and lack of secondary coverage on film, than I do from my favorite team losing.
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 26, 2013 10:18:50 GMT -6
After coaching, I don't watch pro ball anymore. It usually turns into "Will somebody please wrap up and make a decent tackle?! This is why my kids hit everybody and tackle nobody!" College is awesome. Teams that run different offenses and defenses. Watching pro ball is like watching a guy play Madden against himself using the same teams.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 26, 2013 10:30:34 GMT -6
I'm talking just watching a game on the couch at your house, not for scouting purposes. I was having a conversation with a buddy that's not a football coach about this last night. He asked what I watched, I told him I watch mostly the offense and alternate between watching the OL and the route concepts on pass plays. Just curious what your focus is? i watch the offensive line
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Post by goldenbull70 on Aug 26, 2013 18:19:57 GMT -6
Mostly ol play with the remote handy to check out other stuff.
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 26, 2013 19:58:47 GMT -6
TV games.... Just the ball because that is all you get from the camera. My coach watching is the ancillary things; personnel substitutions, tempo, D&D calls, in game adjustments, when they get off script/take a shot, how the coach performs for the camera, etc....
In the stadium, usually the secondary and the OL.
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Post by brophy on Sept 1, 2013 14:01:25 GMT -6
no matter who is playing (hs, ncaa, nfl), I just make it a point to see identify the presnap as quickly as possible and break it down by formation vs front / split vs coverage... check to see where the safeties are...is it 2-high, 1-high, are the safeties respecting the split of #2? who's left in the box / how many backs? then the split to the field/boundary and what the defensive numbers are to the receivers and what is the depth of the corners? at the snap check the safeties to see if any drop to support the front and tip off roll or pressure then glance back to the under coverage to see what has developed (routes/runs) if run, does the force player come up and squeeze, how do the ILBs scrape to back flow? if pass, which routes have cleared the linebackers and are open?
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Post by spreadattack on Sept 3, 2013 6:23:47 GMT -6
As other say I tend to watch as a fan but keep my eyes open for interesting stuff. If it's a team I'm unfamiliar with I usually spend a little time to figure out the basic plan -- formations, fronts, etc. Replays I like to look for little things, usually OL or DL play, that maybe I missed live.
I also record games and will go through them. You can get through a game in 20-25 minutes and pick up some interesting stuff (to the extent you care). I think that's only really worth it if they already do something similar to you -- Air Raid or flexbone or whatever -- but even still it's not apples to apples, or if you're just a big fan of that team or know their coaches.
The NFL can be really boring to watch but the NFL Game Rewind package is pretty nifty. $60 for coaches film (overhead and end zone) of every game, organized by play and completely searchable by run, pass, player, etc. I don't recommend trying to scour that for stuff to implement, but I do think it can be useful in the offseason, especially if you're trying to put together maybe an example tape for your kids -- a particular blitz you like, or spill technique, or how to run a pass route. Overall play design not as useful.
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