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Post by dubber on Oct 19, 2007 10:39:02 GMT -6
Another plus, you could recruit "good" kids
kids that work hard and want it
won't embarass the school
will stay 4 years
Mike Leach has Texas Tech competing without blue chippers (save maybe Crabtree)
I think flexbone is the same type of offense in terms of leveling the field with lesser athletes
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Post by phantom on Oct 19, 2007 10:51:03 GMT -6
Another plus, you could recruit "good" kids kids that work hard and want it won't embarass the school will stay 4 years Guys like Lawrence Phillips? (I actually love the option and have nothing against Nebraska but it was just too easy). |
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Post by Yash on Oct 19, 2007 13:03:34 GMT -6
Lawrence Phillips was a genuinely good guy who just made a mistake or 50, he had good intentions though right? I actually think the bengals might have him on their practice squad, you know as a role model on what a true NFL player should be.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 21, 2007 14:27:58 GMT -6
Now, I know we're not talking about IAA here; but I've got a story for you.
When Bobby Hauk took over at the University of Montana, he ended up running a flexbone for a few games because his starting QB go hurt. His backup was a great little option QB and they were really effective with the option for several games. They won games and averaged over 300 yards/game on the ground. They won the Big Sky and went deep into the playoffs that year; I can't remember how far.
THE BOOSTERS AT UM WENT NUTS!!!! There was actually talk about firing the poor guy if he didn't kick over to a "modern attack". They lost to Montana State that year and the boosters tried to blame it on the fact that they were running option and not throwing the football. The game was a high scoring affair and UM offense produced like you wouldn't believe. The defense and special teams just couldn't get it done.
Now, don't get me wrong; I would love to see the resurgence of veer football at the college level. We all know it would work and work well. However, there are going to be people (boosters, the media, etc...) that are going to make it a difficult transition.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 21, 2007 15:41:20 GMT -6
There is a lot more to being a great coach that sticking with what you believe in. I have seen some coaches that run programs into the dirt because of "sticking with what they believe in".
The bottom line is cut and dry; as football coaches we are ultimately answerable to the communities we work in.
If you don't think the boosters and administration play a huge role in D1 college football, then look what happened to Tyrone Willingham. Notre Dame didn't even let the poor guy get his first recruiting class through before they canned him. His first recruiting class included 2 All-Americans that made Charlie Weiss look like a genius.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2007 17:20:00 GMT -6
silky--I have to ask though...WHY? If the option had such a superior schematic design that the talent running was irrelevant, why did it dissapear? If it requires top notch kids to compete at the top notch level, then why would you implement it if you were worried that those kids wouldn't come to your school Sorry I haven't answered sooner. Been busy. I never said that the option has a superior schematic design. I want the best players, but doesn't Nebraska have better recruiting classes right now than they did under Osborne? I do know that it has worked in the past (and recent past), it works at Navy, and it is a great scheme. I think any big time program that had a coach that was dedicated to it and knew it would be sucessfull with it. It is not what I would choose, but that is because I don't know it. This might be the best question of all: You are Bob Stoops of Oklahoma. Do you want to see Nebraska run the west coast or their offense from the 90's? If you answer that question anywhere in the realm of logic or common sense, it will put an end to this silly discussion of whether or not option football can still work. Of course it can! |
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Post by Yash on Oct 21, 2007 17:34:18 GMT -6
If Willingham is all the stuff so many think he is? He will turn UW back to greatness. If you haven't noticed, Willingham has made UW pretty respectable again. Hes got his guys playing pretty well for the short time hes been there and what he took over. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 21, 2007 18:25:40 GMT -6
This might be the best question of all: You are Bob Stoops of Oklahoma. Do you want to see Nebraska run the west coast or their offense from the 90's? I would want to defend against the two TE I offense. Much simpler to defend (not easier, simpler). NOW, I would rather defend against the current PLAYERS that NU is running than the teams they had previously. A better question is would you rather want to defend Mizzou or Florida or whatever in what they do now...OR have to defend the same teams but they line up two TE and say here we come. |
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Post by burtledog on Oct 21, 2007 18:51:36 GMT -6
Lining up with two tights is not always predictable or dependent on brute strength. Most schemes (Michigan T and WingT and/or Option) are not based on having 300lbs lineman. I am an amature and know that. It is base on technique and working traps or double teams. Option is great, because you do not have to block two of the harriest players on the defense. I would much better have my 280 lbs guard doubling the NT with the Center or blocking a 230 lbs LB than another 270 lbs DT man on man, ditto with my OT. NU had option and power. And they built much of that power with their conditioning program.
Greg the Amature
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2007 19:10:37 GMT -6
This might be the best question of all: You are Bob Stoops of Oklahoma. Do you want to see Nebraska run the west coast or their offense from the 90's? I would want to defend against the two TE I offense. Much simpler to defend (not easier, simpler). NOW, I would rather defend against the current PLAYERS that NU is running than the teams they had previously. A better question is would you rather want to defend Mizzou or Florida or whatever in what they do now...OR have to defend the same teams but they line up two TE and say here we come. coachd5085, I would agree that defending the I is simpler than defending the spread. But like you said, not necessarily easier. I would also agree that the Nebraska teams of the 90's were more talented than the teams now, but one of your main points was you won't recruit as well running the option, well?  It is not like in the 90's, the pros were running option. As a matter of fact, what Nebraska is running right now is way more like what the pros run right now than what Florida runs. I don't disagree that you should consider what will get good recruits, but I have to believe that winning (no matter what you run) gets recruits better than anything else (besides cars, condos, and cash lol). I also agree that your question is a good one. My answer is what Florida runs is better (I think), but probably not for Nebraska. The only thing I will disagree with you is this, that your question is better than mine. The thread isn't about whether or not spread is better than option or I or air raid or whatever. The thread is "Can the option work in D 1?", and my question answers that. (If a question can answer a question.) |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 21, 2007 19:57:05 GMT -6
silky--actually I think the question was could someone run the undercenter option and ride it to become a national power like Bama , OU, NU, etc did 10,20, and 30 years ago. And I don't see how your question as to what bob stoops would rather play against answers anything. (1, because we don't know bob stoops answer, and 2, because we DO know that bob stoops hasn't hired an option coach as his coordinator)
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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2007 21:04:49 GMT -6
silky--actually I think the question was could someone run the undercenter option and ride it to become a national power like Bama , OU, NU, etc did 10,20, and 30 years ago. And I don't see how your question as to what bob stoops would rather play against answers anything. (1, because we don't know bob stoops answer, and 2, because we DO know that bob stoops hasn't hired an option coach as his coordinator) I got disagree here. The original question is the title of the thread. Can the option work at Division 1? My question was not what Bob Stoops answer is, but what would you rather see at Nebraska if you were the head coach at Oklahoma. Nebraska now in the west coast or now in the I and option. I have never stated that option is the best. It might be, but I am not saying that nor do I think that. So, I don't think Oklahoma not running the option means that the option won't work. If that is the case, by that logic, then anything that Oklahoma doesn't run should not work anywhere else. Here is where we are going to have agree to disagree. I have no doubt that the option can work. I am assuming that you think it would not. No problem. I actually think just about any reasonable, well planned offense with enough tools in the toolbox will work, given that you have good coaches, good athletes, good defense, and good special teams. |
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Post by coachmoore42 on Oct 22, 2007 1:22:52 GMT -6
yes it would work they would get shorter kids that ran 4.4 kids too "short" to play in the nfl, at other d1's but kids that can still fly they would get smaller quicker ol that know they really don't have much future in the nfl defensively? they could get anyone they wanted want to come to nebraksa and play on defense where when you go 3 and out, you get to chill for the rest of the quarter? and thus have the highest ranked defense in the country? that's at least how I would spin it That sounds like a plan. Recruit the clear D1 defensive players to create a stud defense (they don't care what offense you run). Then recruit the fringe guys (the athletes who are fast but too short, and the OLmen who work hard but aren't D1 size) to run the option to perfection. |
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Post by gunandrun on Oct 22, 2007 6:07:15 GMT -6
The option will work at the D1 level. Assignment FB in the "me generation". The question is whether the boosters will support it. All the Gun Spread Option of today is based on the same principles as option under the center. Make those swarming defenses play football by assignment football. Option under center makes the defense think "If I leave their assignment it could be a touchdown- thinking slows down defenders and creates the seems needed. Recently Colorado State ran some great option under center and got themselves ranked.
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Post by tye2021 on Oct 22, 2007 13:43:47 GMT -6
There are kids that still run the option in high school well. Some of these kids aren't getting look at because of the system that they run and most colleges are now running spread or NFL type offenses. I think if a coach believes in the option and lands a Div I job wants to run the option he has an oportunity to tap into some talent thats not being recruted. And yes he could be successful.
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Post by deeball12 on Oct 25, 2007 9:48:56 GMT -6
I believe it can work. I look at it like this: There are a lot of kids that play AA ball that are athletic enough to play in division 1 but just lack size. Also, there are a lot of kids that play DB @ div 1 that would like to be running backs or QB's. These kids would fit perfect in Paul Johnson's offense. That Campbell kid that navy has right now is a perfect example of this. Could he play at other Div. 1 schools at his size probably not but yet he has success playing against those same schools in P.J. 's offense. Now, I am not saying that he could be someone's tailback and carry the ball 25 times a game but he is explosive in that offense. I also put a lot of stalk in coaching. You have to know your offense and you need answers to different things defenses will do to you. Now I cant speak for other coaches but I can say that I think Paul Johnson knows his offense as good as anybody and that goes a long way. It seems that everyone is jumping on this shotgun spread stuff which I think is a very dynamic and successful offense but do all these coaches that run it have the expertise in that offense that Johnson has in his. So go Navy, I hope they finally get off the schnied this year vs. the Irish!!!!!
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It is not like in the 90's, the pros were running option. As a matter of fact, what Nebraska is running right now is way more like what the pros run right now than what Florida runs. I don't disagree that you should consider what will get good recruits, but I have to believe that winning (no matter what you run) gets recruits better than anything else (besides cars, condos, and cash lol).
