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Post by coachcb on Jul 4, 2006 20:48:54 GMT -6
We're already seeing a small resurgence of the under-center option in college football- I saw Ohio State, Penn State, Texas and West Virginia all run the speed option and loaded option from under center. This isn't on the same level as a Navy/Air Force triple option attack but its more option than I have seen out of D1 ball in awhile. With the success of Paul Johnson at Navy, I think we may see more team incorporating option in their schemes- particularly those schools that are already running a lot of SG option.
I agree with what you guys are saying about the option not being the most fan or recruit friendly attack in college football, but its a whole lot harder to defend than people are giving it credit for. I have seen a lot of very good, very aggressive defenses have a heck of a time playing assignment football when defending the option. Yes, there are a lot of defenses that can fly around and hit people, but thats the beauty of the option. When executed well, those defenses either slow down a step or run right past the play.
I know several of us watched CSTVs replay of last year's Maryland-Navy game this weekend (I watched it twice) Maryland played a Cover 2 and a Cover 4 the entire game- committing 9 guys to the option, including those speedy DBs. Maryland's defense was out of place the entire game- as I said above they were either a step too slow or they played too fast and got sucked in to the fakes.
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Post by wildcat on Jul 4, 2006 20:51:50 GMT -6
Option football won't come back in D-IA football unless NFL offenses become more run-oriented.
Blue chippers are going to want to play in an offense that prepares them for the NFL game and showcases their talent to NFL teams.
That's the problem with a Nebraska-style option game...you're probably NOT going to get the best high school players because so many different guys are going to have to share the limelight and NFL coaches might fear that a player who was successful in an option system will not be successful in an NFL system.
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Post by tog on Jul 4, 2006 22:14:47 GMT -6
texas a+m will be running inside veer out of the gun
there are a lot of triple option teams out there that are just doing it from the gun
being in the gun tricks those ignorant fans into thinking it is some sort of high tech offense, when really, it is ISV triple option
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Post by PSS on Jul 4, 2006 22:40:02 GMT -6
Very true TOG. What I am amazed about it is all these D1 DC's that all of a sudden have to defend the option and have trouble stopping it. Some seem to have no clue.
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Post by wildcat on Jul 4, 2006 23:37:48 GMT -6
texas a+m will be running inside veer out of the gun there are a lot of triple option teams out there that are just doing it from the gun being in the gun tricks those ignorant fans into thinking it is some sort of high tech offense, when really, it is ISV triple option It's really amazing when you think about...ask a DC which offense they would like to see THE LEAST and my guess is that many of them would say some kind of option game. With that being said, traditional under-center, split-back or I formation Nebraska-style option football is often seen as obsolete. That's why it is so awesome what coaches like DeMeo and Urban Meyer have done...they have taken the most explosive offensive system ever developed and basically bought it a new suit and gave it a haircut! It's amazing what something as simple as putting the QB in a shotgun will do...Hmmmmm...maybe I'll bust out some of my Single Wing playbooks!  |
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Post by kkennedy on Jul 5, 2006 0:12:46 GMT -6
Jerry Campbell's option materials are very good as well; and I heard Tony Annese(sp) from MI speak on the option this past winter. He does a very good job. Coach Annese is the head coach at my alma mater right now and he is a trmendous source of option knowledge. |
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Post by blb on Jul 5, 2006 9:21:19 GMT -6
Some DI guys are recognizing that the modern defenses employed to combat high-octane passing offenses are vulnerable to the option and are exploiting it.
But I don't think we'll see any BCS teams becoming Option teams - they'll be teams that run an option.
It'll be interesting too to see what happens if Florida continues to struggle offensively running option football with Leak at QB.
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Post by wildcat on Jul 5, 2006 9:37:25 GMT -6
Some DI guys are recognizing that the modern defenses employed to combat high-octane passing offenses are vulnerable to the option and are exploiting it. But I don't think we'll see any BCS teams becoming Option teams - they'll be teams that run an option. It'll be interesting too to see what happens if Florida continues to struggle offensively running option football with Leak at QB. Don't they have the Tebow kid waiting in the wings? According to Meyer, he is the prototypical spread option QB. |
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Post by veerman on Jul 5, 2006 11:54:59 GMT -6
Does Johnson at Navy "ride and decide" or does he prefere the "better wrong then long". We have tried both at the high school level. Just woundering what ya'll thought was better?
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Post by kkennedy on Jul 5, 2006 16:49:56 GMT -6
Ride and decide
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Post by blb on Jul 6, 2006 6:17:41 GMT -6
wildcat, I don't know enough about Florida to answer - you're probably right.
Hypothetically: Meyer benches Leak mid-season because Gators are struggling offensively, goes with Tebow to run option. Does that affect their recruiting of the HS all-american QBs who want to throw the ball for four years on their way to The League? Of course, there wouldn't be any negative recruiting from their SEC brethren...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2006 8:04:44 GMT -6
blb--To play devils advocate... does that matter? I guess that is another way to view it. If I want to run option, I don't care about getting 12,000 yard H.S. pocket passers. I think it will cause more damage to recruting the lineman, who all want to show their goods in a pro-style attack.
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Post by blb on Jul 7, 2006 8:09:32 GMT -6
And receivers who want to run routes and catch the ball not stalk block, and RBs who want 20-25 touches a game. And if you start losing a little bit, the other guys'll use that on defensive recruits, too.
I love option football as much or more than anybody, but tough to win when the other guys are getting all the stallions.
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Post by coachcb on Jul 7, 2006 8:37:19 GMT -6
We won't see a total resurgence of the option, with the majority of top 25 teams running the under center triple option as a base. I think we will see more teams incoporate an option package into their scheme along with their "pro style" passing attack, especially when operating from the SG.
If coaches like Meyers are going to hold the attention of the premier HS QBs, then they are going to have to maintain a balance between their option game and the pass. It sucks that game planning is going to have to cater to recruits, but thats the reality of the situation.Even If Meyers goes with Tebow, lives off of the option, and wins 10 games he's still going to be hurting in the recruiting department next spring...However, if Meyers can produce a few more QBs with Utah-esk numbers, rushing and passing, Florida could take off.
I'm a huge proponenet of the option and like nothing more than to see it make a serious comeback into college football. But, I haven't seen an option QB around here yet that has gone on to play QB in college... There's a kid around here that broke a ton of passing records playing in a SG option offense and he's going to play WR or SS in college..
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Post by kakavian on Jul 7, 2006 9:52:31 GMT -6
Bring an Option fan myself, I agree with alot of the statements being made here today. I do NOT think however that we will see resugence of an Option 75% of the time type of team at the D1 "premier" BCS conferences, but I do think more and more we are seeing the Option become a vital part of almost every teams run game. For no other reason sometimes than to give a the Defense something else to think about.
And am surprised that no one has mentioned that Texas went to the Big Bowl running an SG option attack!
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Post by gamedog on Jul 7, 2006 13:58:53 GMT -6
Just a quick note....John Curtis is dead. His son is now running the school just as successfully as his dad did.
The option in a BCS school was pretty good: Nebraska. The ONLY reason that it was sent packing is because it's not as "fun" to watch as the spread.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2006 14:33:16 GMT -6
gamedog... Actually Old man curtis never had much to do with the football program at all. JT (his son) has been the head coach for all of their storied history.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 7, 2006 14:42:31 GMT -6
That is why I said school. Thanks anyways.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 7, 2006 14:55:22 GMT -6
I hope that didn't read rude. Sorry.
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Post by blb on Jul 7, 2006 15:06:23 GMT -6
kakavian,
If you look closely, Texas won the National Championship with a Single Wing-style offense from the Shotgun with a great athlete perfectly suited to it.
It was much more similar to the Bill Snyder, Kansas State offenses than a Flexbone or Veer offense. I know it sounds like a small distinction, but not if you're trying to defend it.
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Post by tvt50 on Jul 7, 2006 15:10:51 GMT -6
Good point BLB.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2006 16:37:30 GMT -6
Gamedog...no rudeness at all. Since this is a football board, I just wanted to clarify for those who might not know the football heirarchy of football at JC. JT has actually been the principal and administrator over there for quite some time too. It is truly a family run organization.
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Post by blb on Jul 7, 2006 16:51:54 GMT -6
coachd5085,
So you think Coach Curtis may still have the unqualified support of the principal and/or superintendent in the (unlikely) event of a disastrous season?
Sarcasm aside, I'm sure Coach Curtis, his staff and players have earned all the success they have had over the years.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2006 17:45:23 GMT -6
blb...yes...they certainly have provided the results. Now, unfortunately, many in the community point to certain "irregularities" in their roster that take away from some of that "earned" success.
Having seen them play numerous times (including from across the field) they certainly are one of if not the most organized staff in the area. They work hard, they are fundamentally EXCELLENT in all aspects of the game (teams DREAD the curtis return teams, good for a TD every 1.5 games) . However, they tend to have a few blue chip prospects every year, mixed in with several lower tiered D1/1AA kids each year. Maxes it MUCY easier to coach those guys.
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Post by enzpville on Jul 11, 2006 11:06:35 GMT -6
Traditional - under center --- Paul Johnson Navy (no doubt about it) Spread - Gun option --- Mark Hudspeth at North Alabama (was OC at Navy for a year with Weatherbie and the year before ran the offense at Delta State that set numerous DII records and won the national title. Mark is fantastic and will talk with you not above you. High School - for me it is John Hoch Lancaster, WI. He has won 5 titles and 1 runner up in the past 10 years (  ) and was awarded as as the national high scool coach of the year (can't remember by what organization though.) |
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Post by utchuckd on Jul 11, 2006 18:05:40 GMT -6
Air Force comes to Knoxville to play Tennesse this fall. Granted Air Force doesn't have the athletes, but it should be a good showcase of option football vs. speed on defense.
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) and was awarded as as the national high scool coach of the year (can't remember by what organization though.)