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Post by rocketcoach on Dec 6, 2010 13:38:34 GMT -6
Who has seen this...two small towns only miles apart. Both with the same socio-economic base. Similar facilities. And one team always is in the hunt and the other is always waffling. X's and O's or Jimmies and Joe's?
I'm sure someone on here has that example, how does it play out and why in your mind?
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Post by calkayne on Dec 6, 2010 15:07:31 GMT -6
I disagree with Calkayne completely. We have average athletes that we build in the weight room to compete with the team mentioned previously. We give our players a chance. And in the last 25 years we've won 80% of our games...with average players. That was my point. You have average Athletes, and you turn them into something as opposed to seeing average Athletes and saying: "I cant compete against a team with good Athletes." You have a good programm, you turn average Athletes into good Players. Thus the reason for inverted commas
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Post by tothehouse on Dec 6, 2010 15:27:21 GMT -6
Ahh...okay....sorry for misreading.
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Post by blb on Dec 6, 2010 15:30:12 GMT -6
You must have a Player Development program. These days to say "We were out-personneled" is at least sometimes not a justifiable excuse.
You need to have Vertical Continuity throughout the program.
You must have a stable staff of coaches who are good teachers of football.
Your practices must be well-organized.
Your systems must be sound and comprehensive enough to meet your competition.
You must be good game night coaches.
In short - it all matters. You cannot overcome lack of talent simply by out-scheming other coaches. But good coaches can give their teams a chance to compete even if out-personneled and be as successful as their abilities allow them to be.
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Post by calkayne on Dec 7, 2010 0:33:13 GMT -6
Ahh...okay....sorry for misreading. No worries blb: Sorry I dont understand what you mean by Vertical Continuity. Do you mean that the Program should build upon itself rather than starting from scratch every year?
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Post by pvogel on Dec 7, 2010 13:25:56 GMT -6
dang. im late on this. But Lochness has proved himself mvp on this thread. If we have a Hueys award ceremony, his first post is my vote for post of the year.
anyways, i found this interesting because the first time i heard a coach say "its the jimmies and the joes" i interpreted it as thats where i need to spend more time working- on players, not scheme. so ive been coaching by that motto, but it looks as though some people have different definitions of what that motto is trying to say. ha
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Post by CoachCP on Dec 7, 2010 14:43:51 GMT -6
X's and O's are always relative, and if you're X's can't match up physically with their O's, you're in deep dog piss.
Someone once told me (a very old school/stubborn coach) you can't run the 4-3 over at the HS level because you don't have the studs like Miami. I responded that yes you can, because football is relative. You're not playing Florida State.
The flipside of that is also true. You can't use any "scheme" successfully if your essentially an all freshmen team playing all seniors. This will be the case if you don't have a strong off-season program established. I've seen it first hand. It's not pretty.
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Post by flexoption91 on Dec 7, 2010 14:44:09 GMT -6
I have a couple question....
If a coach comes looking for scheme ideas or scheme explanations does that mean that he is not developing his players?
Are scheme development and player development mutually exclusive ideas, or can they go hand in hand?
If you find by research that a scheme would fit your team personality/personnel, can you develop a player to fit that or should the scheme always fit the players as they comes to you?
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Post by jw8 on Dec 7, 2010 15:19:40 GMT -6
Flex- I think that Development and Scheme go hand in hand. We develop not just "football players" but players that will produce in our system/schemes. When I took over the job I am at they were a Double Wing Team. I was coming in as a Spread Gun coach. We had to develop WR's, QB's and OL to do very different skill sets. It is interesting to see now 5 years later that our school went from not having those types of kids to having WR types. Why....because we spend time developing the skills of what our program runs. Our weights program has gone from the ground floor too. The development of the Strength and the Skills has allowed us to run the Schemes. I see them hand in hand.
I come to this site because I enjoy learning new ways to do things from all area's of football coaching (Weight room, practice field, chalk board, game field, equipment, ect). Learning what others are doing in Scheme is one of those areas. I have used many things from this site in my program. The exchange of all ideas is useful.
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Post by joelee on Dec 8, 2010 10:44:51 GMT -6
Just remember that when you have been developing players for 3-4 years and winning more than you were before someone will accuse you of cheating and or recruiting.
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