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Post by manster on Feb 21, 2008 0:34:34 GMT -6
I'm giving some thought in using helmet decals to award players for outstanding performances. Does anyone have a criteria that you use for these awards. I have the usual stuff i.e. pancakes, special teams play, tackles etc... This is for the Youth level.
Thanks for your input.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 21, 2008 6:44:02 GMT -6
My thought is only to give awards for academic achievements. Those are the only things that anyone accomplishes individually in football. I would not give any stickers for anything else, ESPECIALLY at the youth level. It becomes a sticker fest...and not a football team.
You can search the board for numerous discussions on this. One thread was all of 8 days ago (see page 2)
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Post by htownoc on Feb 21, 2008 8:06:30 GMT -6
I googled it and found Ohio State's criteria. We will use this next year and I am also adding a component that rewards them for participation in the offseason program- 15days attendance = 1 sticker.
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Post by htownoc on Feb 21, 2008 8:15:44 GMT -6
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Post by coachplaa on Feb 21, 2008 8:21:42 GMT -6
I agree with giving helmet decals for academics. We have navy helmets, and we give out silver decals each Friday, if a kid turns in his grade check with all good marks. We will also give them a silver decal if a teacher calls or e-mails a football coach about improvement, effort, or good behavior in class. We give out white decals for two things...everyone gets a white decal if we win. And each coach gives out a "practice player of the day" at the end of our hard practices. The coach says a few words about how much effort that kid gave in practice that day, and everyone gives him applause. It is the only "individual" award we give in terms of helmet decals.
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Post by wingt74 on Feb 21, 2008 9:24:31 GMT -6
Leave it vague, don't get bogged down with # crunching. Break it down by groups and award that way.
Example - 24-0 Win, great running game, dominant defense, kickoff return for TD.
OLine - 2 stars Backs - 2 stars Defense - 1 star DLine - 1 star Kickoff return unit - 3 stars
For individual - We will put kids on individual star probabtion week to week...where if they were meant to be award a star, they are passed up.
This is a GREAT way to get in a superstars head. Your Superstar, who scored 4 TDs in the game, but had an unsportsmanlike penalty, and a bad attitute the week before, doesn't get any decals...but the rest of his offense does...etc.
Kids love em, but don't single out the individuals, single out the teams within the team.
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Post by coachcastleman on Feb 21, 2008 9:40:07 GMT -6
We only use team goals for awards. I sit down with the captains at the beginning of the season and we set offensive, defensive, and special team goals. Everyone gets one for the win.
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Post by pegleg on Feb 21, 2008 19:00:55 GMT -6
we base it on individual grades and unit goals. team must win or all bets are off.
if you score a certain grade, we use 80%, and the team wins, and the unit get a certain number of its goals, everyone on the unit gets stickers.
for example....if you score 83%...we win...the offense get 8 of the 13 goals, you get 8 stickers.
use it for all 3 phases...and use no individual criteria, ie pancakes or big runs or big hits.
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Post by MaineManiac on Feb 22, 2008 14:51:11 GMT -6
I was impressed with Coach Vasey at Dean College who had a real logical combination of academic, civic, and team accomplishments. Having used a system before, I echo the idea of keeping it simple. Which of us has extra time in the week to crunch #'s and have a kid angry that you missed 1 tackle.
Here is what I would do: 1. Grade incentives - Passing all classes, A on a major test 2. Civic Accomplishments: We have a 60 hour service requirement for graduation. If a student does a project in the community of 4 or more hours in a week, give a sticker. 3. Team Performance: Use the goals you set for the team at the beginning of the season as a weekly criteria. For instance, If a player was a part of limiting an opponent to 7 points or less, give them a sticker.
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Post by pegleg on Feb 23, 2008 11:51:01 GMT -6
i like the grade thing.....might have to incorporate that in to our criteria.
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Post by revtaz on Feb 23, 2008 13:01:43 GMT -6
I am the DC at a high school and I just came up with how we are going to do it.
I thought to myself that giving out decals for tackles and everything under the sun is fun and the kids like it but it doesn't do much in terms of motivation. Kids were more worried about stickers than anything else...
So I did this.
Effort - No loafs in a game = 1 sticker Tackles - No missed Tackles = 1 Sticker Takeaway = 1 Sticker Def./SpT TD = 1 Group Sticker 3rd Down Win = 1 Group Sticker Sack/TFL = 1 Sticker
My philosophy is this... you need those things to win. Little Johnny makes 6 tackles in a game, but misses 5. The 5 that he missed more than likely made the difference of that game than anything. Effort is just a give in. I am big on Takeaways and 3rd downs. You win those and you are in a pretty good situation to win the game.
It's about production and results. It's a focus on being mistake free and excelling in the aspects of the game that you believe you need to win.
I coach at a high school so it might be a little different than for youth coaches.
Taz
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Post by phantom on Feb 23, 2008 13:58:34 GMT -6
I am the DC at a high school and I just came up with how we are going to do it. I thought to myself that giving out decals for tackles and everything under the sun is fun and the kids like it but it doesn't do much in terms of motivation. Kids were more worried about stickers than anything else... So I did this. Effort - No loafs in a game = 1 sticker Tackles - No missed Tackles = 1 Sticker Takeaway = 1 Sticker Def./SpT TD = 1 Group Sticker 3rd Down Win = 1 Group Sticker Sack/TFL = 1 Sticker My philosophy is this... you need those things to win. Little Johnny makes 6 tackles in a game, but misses 5. The 5 that he missed more than likely made the difference of that game than anything. Effort is just a give in. I am big on Takeaways and 3rd downs. You win those and you are in a pretty good situation to win the game. It's about production and results. It's a focus on being mistake free and excelling in the aspects of the game that you believe you need to win. I coach at a high school so it might be a little different than for youth coaches. Taz I'm not a big sticker guy but if these are your criteria I think you should also give a sticker to the guy who caused a turnover. Also it seems like giving a sticker for every 3rd down stop may make for crowded helmets.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 23, 2008 17:39:48 GMT -6
So I did this. Effort - No loafs in a game = 1 sticker Tackles - No missed Tackles = 1 Sticker Takeaway = 1 Sticker Def./SpT TD = 1 Group Sticker 3rd Down Win = 1 Group Sticker Sack/TFL = 1 Sticker My philosophy is this... you need those things to win. Little Johnny makes 6 tackles in a game, but misses 5. The 5 that he missed more than likely made the difference of that game than anything. Effort is just a give in. I am big on Takeaways and 3rd downs. You win those and you are in a pretty good situation to win the game. It's about production and results. It's a focus on being mistake free and excelling in the aspects of the game that you believe you need to win. Taz coach--since you recognize the truth about stickers (kids worry about them more than other things) I just wanted to help you trouble shoot your idea in advance-- Effort-- You need to clearly define a loaf and realize potential "trouble areas", namely increasing the attempts also increases the opportunity to fail. example. Johnny hustle played in 48 snaps of your game on defense, and 35 snaps on offense. He plays on every special team. On the 54th snap of the game, in the midst of a 12 play drive for the bad guys, Johnny Hustle.., a corner doesn't fly to the ball on a zone play away from him. Conversely, Scotty sophomore plays on all the special teams, but only saw 5 snaps on defense. Scotty hustled on all 5 of those plays. Does Scotty get a sticker but not Johnny Hustle? Tackles--Same premise as before. Scotty did a good job coming up on secondary support in one of his 5 plays, and made a tackle against a quality high school running back. he had no other attempts, therefore he is 100%. Johnny gave a great effort but had a tackle broken by the WR who just early commited to Florida. He did make six tackles and did a good job taking the stud out of the offense. Takeaways/Special TeamTD/D Unit TD- What is the "group" Is it every single member of the defense? If so, then aren't you just decorating the helmet, since Freddie F'up is getting the same reward as George Gung Ho? If not..if the group is simply the "starting d" or "kids on the field...consider the following scenario : You play 16 kids in the course of a drive that ends with a turnover/Defensive Score. On play 3 of the drive, a nickel corner makes a touchdown saving tackle, and on play 8, an extra D lineman does a great job splitting a dbl team to force them into the passing situation in which you pick off, and take to the house. Neither player was on the field when the pick 6 happened...Do they get stickers? The above scenario actually applies to almost ANY of the situations you pose. So...how will you handle them, because..as you said..the kids just start to care about stickers.
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Post by k on Feb 23, 2008 22:50:12 GMT -6
Sticker One: Named team captain Highest Max Bench press Highest Max Bench press minus body weight Biggest improvement Bench press (End summer weight - start spring weight) Highest Max Squat Highest Max Squat minus body weight Biggest improvement Squat (End summer weight - start spring weight) Highest Max Clean Highest Max Clean minus body weight Biggest improvement Clean (End summer weight - start spring weight) A on Report Card (Quarter 4/End of Year/Quarter 1). 90% Attendance during offseason period one lifting 90% Attendance during period two off season weightlifting 90% attendance during period three off season weight lifting 100% attendance during the previous season (actually allow one miss) 100% attendance during spring practice 90% attendance during period one summer workouts 90% attendance during period two summer workouts 90% attendance during period three summer workouts 100% attendance from day one practice till first game
Sticker two: Win (Everyone who walked onto the field) 100 Yards Rushing (One Back) 150 Yards Rushing (Offensive Line) 100 Yards Receiving (One Receiver) 10 Catches - no drops(One Receiver) 200 Yards Passing (QB) 300 Yards Offense (Offensive "Starters") Touchdown (Passing/Rushing/Receiving/Defender) Touchdown on Punt/Kick Return (Entire Special Team) FG Pancake/Turtle Block Sack Forced Fumble Tipped Pass Fumble Recovery Interception Blocked Punt/FG/Extra Point Less than 150 yards total offense (Entire Starting Defense) Shutout (Entire "Starting" Defense) 3 and out (Entire "Starting" Defense) Touch back (Kicker) Inside 20 on Punt/Kick (Kicker) Big Play or Dominant Performance as designated by a coach (Player/Unit)
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Post by revtaz on Feb 26, 2008 9:02:25 GMT -6
coach--since you recognize the truth about stickers (kids worry about them more than other things) I just wanted to help you trouble shoot your idea in advance-- Effort-- You need to clearly define a loaf and realize potential "trouble areas", namely increasing the attempts also increases the opportunity to fail. example. Johnny hustle played in 48 snaps of your game on defense, and 35 snaps on offense. He plays on every special team. On the 54th snap of the game, in the midst of a 12 play drive for the bad guys, Johnny Hustle.., a corner doesn't fly to the ball on a zone play away from him. Conversely, Scotty sophomore plays on all the special teams, but only saw 5 snaps on defense. Scotty hustled on all 5 of those plays. Does Scotty get a sticker but not Johnny Hustle? Tackles--Same premise as before. Scotty did a good job coming up on secondary support in one of his 5 plays, and made a tackle against a quality high school running back. he had no other attempts, therefore he is 100%. Johnny gave a great effort but had a tackle broken by the WR who just early commited to Florida. He did make six tackles and did a good job taking the stud out of the offense. Takeaways/Special TeamTD/D Unit TD- What is the "group" Is it every single member of the defense? If so, then aren't you just decorating the helmet, since Freddie F'up is getting the same reward as George Gung Ho? If not..if the group is simply the "starting d" or "kids on the field...consider the following scenario : You play 16 kids in the course of a drive that ends with a turnover/Defensive Score. On play 3 of the drive, a nickel corner makes a touchdown saving tackle, and on play 8, an extra D lineman does a great job splitting a dbl team to force them into the passing situation in which you pick off, and take to the house. Neither player was on the field when the pick 6 happened...Do they get stickers? The above scenario actually applies to almost ANY of the situations you pose. So...how will you handle them, because..as you said..the kids just start to care about stickers. Hey Coach, Thanks for your input. Effort, We have clearly defined the term Loaf. In essence every kid that is a starter has the same attempts. Consistency over a game is more important than a flash in the pan performance on a play. Example, Sophomore DE who gets put in on the first team. Wraps up a kid and basically loses his legs because he figured he was done. Missed tackle and then lays there... Loaf. No stickers for effort and tackles. Johnny Hustle on the 54th snap doesn't get to the ball before the whistle, that's not a big deal. Johnny Hustle standing there watching the play go away from him and saying in his head "I am good for right now" is what drives me nuts. You watch the film of my team and you get 4 to 6 kids standing around on most plays. That was one of the things that drove me nuts, so I wanted to fix it. Tackles- you have people early committed to Florida? It is my belief you have to make a play when the opportunity is presented. If you get a guy wrapped up whether he is Barry Sanders or Joe Schmoe, you need to get him down. Takeaways - Kid who gets the takeaway gets the sticker. It is my belief that a Def TD is a result of everyone on the field. In some instances, right a guy gets the pick and runs three inches to the endzone. But it's the same thing on offense, the RB doesn't get the TD if no one blocks for him. Causing a Turnover can be added, that's a really great idea. Group sticker is for the people on the field. I have also added that there are special circumstances that will deserve a sticker. TD saving tackle, big hit, and other criteria. So nickel corner makes TD saving tackle gets a sticker for that play because that was special to our effort. Hope that helps. Thanks for helping me clarify my position. Taz
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 9:41:56 GMT -6
I have our defensive goals and how to earn stickers broken down into 3 categories:
MEET ONE GET ONE--these are the goals that if the team meets a goal, they get a sticker. These are our big goals.
7 OF 10--these are team goals as well. If the team meets 7 of 10 of these, the defensive players all get stickers.
INDIVIDUAL--these are stickers for tackles, big plays, defensive points, etc.
HOW TO LOSE STICKERS--I also have a criteria each week for how you lose them in a given game. If you don't grade out at an 80%, you lose 1. If you jump offsides or have a late hit, personal foul or unsportsmanlike, lose one. If our entire #2 defense can't get into the game, you lose one (starters only). If you have 2+ missed tackles, you lose one. Loaf, you lose one.
And stickers are only given after a win. We don't give them after a loss. So the stickers you win or lose only carry for that week.
I really respect the guys who give stickers for grade incentives. I think it's really classy, but I was at a school that did that once and I took issue. Some teachers made it pretty hard on kids in sports to do makeup work. They weren't flexible with a kid, and held them up a bit, but if they had a problem in class, always wanted to talk about "your football player" did this. We still gave the stickers for that stuff, but it was a bit tainted when you consider that we valued the kid's overall character and well-being more than the teacher did.
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 26, 2008 22:28:10 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 26, 2008 22:45:59 GMT -6
tothehouse--I like the concepts, but it seems like a good deal of work for something that really amounts to decorating helmets. The TEAM sticker concept always sounds good...until you realize that if everyone is getting one...then really...all you are doing is decorating a helmet.
Just my opinion, but many of the stickers seem to be given for simply doing their job (if the kids need STICKERS to get up for a game...oh lord)...and the individual ones aren't really individual (ie, momentum swinging plays do NOT happen by 1 player. In your example, had the other defenders blocked, it would have become a big return, and thus... a momentum changing sticker would have been awarded. ...)
I have never been a fan of the shutout sticker/goal....because now the substitution dilemma takes hold, and you begin playing games within games...do i sub in guys that might give up the goose egg....etc.
Again, I believe in ONE GOAL.. Do Your JOB on the Next Play. That is it. Everything else takes care of itself.
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 26, 2008 22:52:24 GMT -6
5085 - our goal is to try and avoid the "doing your job" sticker. If a team keeps the QB under 40% passing the pass rush got there and the DBs did their job, etc. A momentum swinger is a colossal hit, etc. Tough to get, but you'll know when it happens.
Shut out sticker...is BIG. Why? Because when we do sub....the subs need to play. They don't get to go out there and give up TDs. They need to go out there and stop people. If the offense does score....in a way...oh well, but I'd be pissed. Not about the losing the sticker, but the fact that we gave up points.
I believe the concept we are trying to create is that if the team does it's job over the course of the game the stickers pile up. It's not the carrot of the sticker that will motivate them.
In 2005 we had a similar system for a team that went 12-1. Helmets were covered with stickers because the defense was crazy good....but, for sure, they weren't motivated to play because the stickers....the stickers became the product of the ass whoopins they put on people.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 26, 2008 23:02:46 GMT -6
5085 - our goal is to try and avoid the "doing your job" sticker. If a team keeps the QB under 40% passing the pass rush got there and the DBs did their job, etc. A momentum swinger is a colossal hit, etc. Tough to get, but you'll know when it happens. Maybe, but remember, they will NOT happen alone. NOTHING happens "by itself" in football. But who cares about a sticker? I am just telling you what I have seen over my experience...JV gives up a score..and now we have dissension because the starters didn't get a {censored} sticker (a meaningless sticker that we, by our very actions as a staff, gave importance to ) Sooo, the unit pride, personal pride and wins/success was not enough? They needed extra helmet decals ? I am just not a sticker guy....and I have seen too many kids lose focus of what is important...
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 26, 2008 23:23:04 GMT -6
Agreeing to disagree, but yet agree. We don't have those arguements amongst our players. Again...in the years I have been here...our players aren't playing for the sticker. PERIOD. It is just a goal for the team to achieve. The team completes the goal...they have accomplished something together. The Sticker and hopefully the W. The HC and I are the determining factor if a sticker should be awarded. Brings up good discussion at meetings. Now, I will say that everything is scrutinized by me and the HC. If it's close on something...they don't get. Close isn't getting it.
To explain the agreeing part....it would be a lot more simple to go without them and focus on just getting it done. Definately agree, but not what we are doing.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 27, 2008 6:14:48 GMT -6
We don't have those arguements amongst our players. . I would disagree here. You don't SEE the "arguments"...but unless you have a team of kids who defy human nature each season...the seeds have been planted....and lets not forget about the parents!!!! So they can get stickers without a win??? LAND MINE. So you say that you guys spend (waste is a better word in my opinion) time actually having to scrutinize sticker decisions... spend (waste) staff/your time discussing stickers...but you agree it would be simpler without them?? You have to ask yourself..."is this good for the program" (Cue the office space "Bobs") You have recognized an inefficiency in the program...you have stated that the stickers are not the goal, and thus have no influence on the actions of the players.....next step seems obvious to me.
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Post by gschwender on Feb 27, 2008 7:05:33 GMT -6
I think he is saying that the sticker is not the goal but what the sticker represents. If a dumb sticker is what it takes to get a kid to bust is a$$ that much more I will spend the extra time grading the film myself on my own time. We live in a what do I get for doing my job society. Kids now do not see the whole pride thing for the most part. I see both sides of the argument and neither are wrong by any means. I am just saying that if it takes a sticker to get my kids to reach that goal then I'm for it--I just make sure to relate to them that the sticker represents the goal and I think the pride for doing one's job will evemtually take over. People get paid to do their job in the real world. I know that I teach/coach b/c I love to do it, but if I did not get paid to do it I would not be doing it. Kids cannot get paid for doing their job on the fb field so what is wrong with giving little incentives. It is about teaching them to reach a goal and a sticker is a physical representation of meeting that goal.
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 27, 2008 10:05:22 GMT -6
85 - Obviously you are hung up on this. I am not. I'm not saying our system is the best. I'm just adding to the thread. If you don't like it....great. Not a big deal to me.
You have no idea of how our program operates and what might be good or bad for us. All I know is that we have won 80% of our games since 1990. Could a sticker criteria boost that percentage? Maybe. It is just what has been in place.
De La Salle HS....no stickers and no single digit #s (nobody is an individual). Won a lot of games their way. To each his own.
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Post by coachboss on Feb 27, 2008 13:24:58 GMT -6
I love the idea of giving stickers for weight room attendance and grades!!!
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Post by ramsoc on Feb 28, 2008 2:23:15 GMT -6
De La Salle HS....no stickers and no single digit #s (nobody is an individual). Won a lot of games their way. To each his own. I know this ain't your thing house, but single digit #'s is individual? What kind of crap is that?
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