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Post by mariner42 on Aug 18, 2010 22:44:44 GMT -6
So I'm having a little crisis of faith right now and I'd really, really like to hear about some examples of (preferably famous/known) positive coaches who have been successful. If you can, talk a bit about their approaches and styles of coaching, etc.
Kinda random, but long story short, I'm really having a hard time believing that it's possible to be a positive coach and a winner, too.
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Post by superpower on Aug 19, 2010 1:56:32 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Aug 19, 2010 7:08:05 GMT -6
I'm really having a hard time believing that it's possible to be a positive coach and a winner, too. where is the conflict? being positive and encouraging isn't the same thing as being a buddy. and being a total prick isn't a sign of contributing anything to player development. The real crux of the issue comes down to the GAME. The GAME isn't a peaceful or nuturing environment. The very nature of the GAME demands your best and if it isn't good enough, you will be run over or replaced. It is a harsh reality and there isn't a lot that can be done to side step that (it sucks, it would be nice if all the kids could play or experience the joys of performing). Its like birth.....its a wonderful, magical experience, but not every baby is going to make it out alive.  |
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Post by coachknight on Aug 19, 2010 7:18:53 GMT -6
John Gagliardi - St. Johns Minnesota
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Post by tchsoc on Aug 19, 2010 7:24:52 GMT -6
In my opinion, we all have to let our own personalities take over. If we are positive and confident, then those around us will be as well. Just as the students we have in the classroom, are players will take on our personalities. Being a winner is about much more than wins and losses and that lesson has to be taught and learned. If we come across as only being concerned about winning on Friday/Saturday/etc, then that's all the kids are going to see.
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Post by phantom on Aug 19, 2010 9:16:48 GMT -6
So I'm having a little crisis of faith right now and I'd really, really like to hear about some examples of (preferably famous/known) positive coaches who have been successful. If you can, talk a bit about their approaches and styles of coaching, etc. Kinda random, but long story short, I'm really having a hard time believing that it's possible to be a positive coach and a winner, too. What do you mean by "positive coaching"? Does anybody really believe that they're a "negative" coach? |
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Post by coach81 on Aug 19, 2010 12:09:53 GMT -6
See Tony Dungy..
A strong, positive, Christian man..
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Post by Coach Vint on Aug 19, 2010 12:48:43 GMT -6
Coach to your values, and nothing less. Be true to yourself and do everything you can to have a profound impact on the development of your kids on and off the field.
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Post by dubber on Aug 19, 2010 20:18:50 GMT -6
I imagine right now you are around/know of some successful coaches who are complete D!CKS.
Winning is a superficial representation of the job you are doing.
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Post by mariner42 on Aug 19, 2010 22:21:22 GMT -6
I imagine right now you are around/know of some successful coaches who are complete D!CKS. Winning is a superficial representation of the job you are doing. This is a pretty accurate representation of what I'm going through. Our new HC is widely known in CA as a 'hall of fame' type coach and has won pretty much everywhere he's been, but I've never been around someone who treats the kids and fellow coaches this way. I really don't want to get into details because that's really not the point of what I was hoping to get with this thread, but it's really made me question how 'successful' I want to be if that's what I have to be like. I mean, I feel weird saying this, but I broke down and cried yesterday while talking with one of the assistants because I've been so frustrated with the situation and my own inability to deal with it. I'm not a high maintenance guy at all, but last night left me really yearning to hear about some people who do it a different way. Hope that makes sense. You guys are primo free therapy, so I want to thank you all regardless. Tothehouse, if you read this one and have some advice/insight/tips, PM me. |
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Post by coachks on Aug 21, 2010 13:50:08 GMT -6
mariner - I know exactly what you are talking about and the plain simple fact is: there are alot more "Bobby Knight" style (maybe not to that extreme) coaches who are successful than "John Wooden" style. The truth is most coaches are somewhere inbetween as I believe these are the polar extremes. But I'm probably not the best one to reply to this post. Every year my HC says something to me about being to hard on the kids. I will also say, personally I discount Dungy because he coached Pro athletes, that is a far different world than coaching HS or college players. Not saying Dungy was not a great coach, just saying there is a monumental difference between players who make more money than the coach and players in NCAA or HS. It's a different type of motivation. Definately agreed on Dungy. The ability to take away someones job is a much more powerful motivator than any ass-chewing can ever be. To an extent, that same idea can also be applied to a guy like John Wooden. You can pick any player in america and you can cut. Not exactly the same thing as coaching high school ball. |
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Post by tothehouse on Aug 21, 2010 14:50:47 GMT -6
Mariner wow...we should talk.
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Post by airtrafficcontrol on Aug 21, 2010 18:32:29 GMT -6
you need to get hold of some Dick Vermeil or Jeff Reinebold...both will inspire you.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Aug 21, 2010 23:35:59 GMT -6
You know what I would do, and what I have done in situations I was not happy with the head coach. Talk to him 1 on 1.
A few years ago, the Head Coach yelled at me on the sidelines (can't remember why hah) ..he never did that before..but it hurt because it was in front of the kids. I didn't say anything to him. I was {censored}...like..I have never been that angry at a person ever. Anyway, 2 days later I went to his house. We were going to watch video on the next weeks opponent. I talked to him..told him how I felt, he honestly didn't remember the incident..but I did lol. He apologized, said he didn't mean to do it..etc etc. Long story short...it effected me more than it did him..but we talked and cleared the air. He could of said "F U" to me and told me to take a walk. I was on the verge of calling it quits after that to be honest. In the end..we became even better friends after all was said and done.
What I'm saying is...if what the coach does makes you upset...TELL HIM. Whats the worst thing that can happen? He tells you your fired...?? well you aren't happy now..if you do nothing..nothing will change. Maybe you become closer friends..and he becomes a better coach for it, as well as you do too.
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Post by coachweav88 on Aug 22, 2010 8:45:22 GMT -6
I don't think there is one personality type that all successful coaches have to have. There are many different styles/personalities that have been successful. I feel the key is not to try and be someone else, but to accentuate your strengths and look for help with your weaknesses. Tony Dungy is known for his calm demeanor, but when he was at Tampa, he had Herm Edwards as his Assistant Head Coach. In his book, he describes it as a "good cop/bad cop" situation. Dungy may not have been really animated, but his staff needed someone who was, so he hired Herm Edwards to fill that role on staff.
If your present HC feels you should coach exactly like him, then I would move on after the season. Be yourself, and if that isn't good enough, then I'd find somewhere else to coach next season. You will be far more effective than trying to pretend to be someone else.
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 23, 2010 12:19:27 GMT -6
Regardless of whether you define a coach as a B Knight or a J Wooden, there will be players that think he is greatest thing since sliced bread, and some players who with think he isn't worth a broke dick dog.
You gotta be yourself. We have won more games that any program here during a 10 year period, and we still have those that think we do it wrong for 1 reason or anther.
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Post by wingt74 on Aug 23, 2010 19:51:18 GMT -6
Not sure the exact story, but don't confuse being a d!ick with an assertive coach.
If a player has a bad attitude, or an assistant coach is doing his own thing, sometimes an HC can come off as being an a-hole...
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