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Post by Coach Bennett on Dec 4, 2009 9:09:36 GMT -6
Question came to mind watching Oregon take the ball after winning the toss last night (I think).
That said, it's tough to argue with deferring, holding your opponent to a minimal gain, having them punt and getting nice field position.
Most coaches in our area seem to defer after having one the toss.
If you choose to take the ball, do you do so as a matter of practice or only when you have it rolling offensively in a season?
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Post by ucbears90 on Dec 4, 2009 9:19:27 GMT -6
If our offense is better than our d, I take the rock. If all things are equal or d is better defer. This year we had a great offense and a not as good d, so every time we won toss we took the ball. I figured up 7 is better than down 7. Our O was a threat everytime we had the ball so we felt it put more pressure on the other team.
As far as deferring I love getting the ball first in the second half, but it is what it is.
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Post by superpower on Dec 4, 2009 10:08:13 GMT -6
Part of our ball control approach is to take the ball every time when we win the toss.
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Post by knighter on Dec 4, 2009 10:27:21 GMT -6
I have chosen to defer 1 time in my career. I have always wanted the ball first. The one time I deferred was perhaps the windiest Friday night I have ever coached on. I chose to defer so that my opponent (a pass happy, and very well coached and athletic pass happy team) would not be able to have the ball and the wind in the 4th quarter. End result was we won the game (nail biter) due to them not being able to throw deep against us in the 4th quarter. (We actually limited their passing game with good defense most of the game even with 3 of my 4 starting db's out with injury/illness). I like to take the ball and keep it the whole first quarter with a nice long sustained drive.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Dec 4, 2009 11:51:56 GMT -6
As an offensive coordinator, I always prefer to defer to start a game. I hate to go 3 and out and punt to start a game.
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Post by fshamrock on Dec 4, 2009 13:07:00 GMT -6
It has always seemed to me that deferring gives you more options....it is the only situation in which you can know exactly when you will be getting the ball through the course of a game...if you defer and the other offense scores..so what?..most games aren't shutouts anyway..and they had to get the ball sometime...but if we defer, at least we can make some descisions at the end of the second half......if we're behind, it gives us a chance to score, and then get the ball back without the bad guys getting a possession....makes sense to me..but then again, most of that analysis comes from playing NCAA football 2005 on the original Xbox..so maybe it doesn't hold up
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Post by bluedevil4 on Dec 4, 2009 13:10:30 GMT -6
I've always been very superstitious. It's always 50/50 no matter what you do. It's either gonna pay off or it's not. I always preferred deferring, but we took the ball in our first game this year and we won. When players asked me if I wanted the ball or not, I just said "what's workin for us?" So they always took the ball, needless to say we won every game. If we're on a role, I'm not gonna do anything different, even if I'm not a fan of it.
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Post by superpower on Dec 4, 2009 13:11:50 GMT -6
...but if we defer, at least we can make some descisions at the end of the second half......if we're behind, it gives us a chance to score, and then get the ball back without the bad guys getting a possession.... Coach, did you mean at the end of the FIRST half? If not, could you please explain your point further? I am confused. |
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Post by fbcoach74 on Dec 4, 2009 13:38:52 GMT -6
if we win the toss we always take the ball. my college coach always told us that if the offense makes a mistake is is second down, if the defense makes a mistake it is 6 points. So we put our offense out first.
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Post by airraider on Dec 4, 2009 13:56:37 GMT -6
I always want to score last and score first and last.. if you can score last in the 1st half.. and score first and last in the 2nd.. your chances should go up for winning.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Dec 4, 2009 13:57:14 GMT -6
Interesting that most replies lean towards taking the ball.
Do most of your opponents do the same?
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Post by superpower on Dec 4, 2009 14:08:45 GMT -6
I would say that 1-2 times each season our opponents win the toss and take the ball, but they are usually ball control type teams as well. We receive the opening kick-off in most games because either we win the toss and choose to receive or the opponent wins the toss and chooses to defer.
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Post by spartancoach on Dec 4, 2009 14:15:54 GMT -6
As an offensive coordinator, I always prefer to defer to start a game. I hate to go 3 and out and punt to start a game. Interesting. I am the opposite. As OC, I want the ball first to set the tone for the game. I want our D taking the field protecting a lead all the time. |
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 4, 2009 16:17:19 GMT -6
Defensive guy, I'd rather defer, but we always took the ball this year. I just like to think of it as always starting with the ball in the 2nd half and hopefully, if we can score late before the first half, it's like getting 2 straight possessions.
I can appreciate taking the field with a 7-0 lead, but for us that was a pretty uncommon event.
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 4, 2009 16:29:51 GMT -6
Defer... Defense is all about emotion and playing aggressive. Offense is more of a "need to be calmed down to execute" kinda deal. Let the defensive kids go out there and crush the other team to start and let your QB relax and calm down from the buildup before the game. I hated going on offense first when I played.
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Post by juancsusb on Dec 5, 2009 13:46:35 GMT -6
I agree with cqmiller, let your defense run loose & set you up for good field position on offense.
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Dec 5, 2009 17:06:25 GMT -6
We have always deferred the ball. We feel that a good kick, good coverage and then settling into playing defense always gives our kids a better chance. It gives us a chance to dictate field position, etc.
I think it is worse to get the ball, go three and out and then have the opposing team go down and score. It doesn't seem to be as bad, it they work down the field, score and then you go three and out. Just a personal thought.
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Post by windigo on Dec 6, 2009 2:37:26 GMT -6
I coach high school. There is always a chance that the 16 year old captain on the other team will absolutely insist that they want to kick. Had it happen more than once.
Never deny a teenager on the other team the opportunity to do something stupid.
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Post by tedseay on Dec 6, 2009 5:56:48 GMT -6
Never deny a teenager on the other team the opportunity to do something stupid. Quote of the week.  Defer. |
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Post by touchdownmaker on Dec 6, 2009 6:34:41 GMT -6
We always want the ball. Always.
That said, the best reason to defer is that there just might be a situation where the other team captain says "we want to kickoff"
I do agree about the nerves part of things tough, good chance that your kids, if nervous, can and will do something silly in the first series.
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Post by scoresomemore on Dec 6, 2009 10:02:50 GMT -6
not sure it's good for the debate, but we once had a team win the toss and defer, then in the second half (they were winning by 6) choose to kick the ball so they could pin us deep with their kicker and establish/maintain dominant field position. the conditions were extremely sloppy and windy, worst field i've ever seen.
proved to be a great call, as field position won the game..... just some food for thought
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Post by cwood on Dec 6, 2009 10:24:16 GMT -6
I need the ball to score. So I am taking the ball. That's the fastest way for me to get the ball.
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Post by phantom on Dec 6, 2009 11:02:49 GMT -6
As a DC I can honestly say that I don't care. We're playing defense first or second so what do I care?
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Post by Fridge on Dec 7, 2009 5:55:31 GMT -6
Depends on our kick off or kick off return teams.
If our coverage team isn´t pretty good, we like to return first and draw first blood. Or if our return unit is pretty strong.
If we think that we got great coverage and a good kicker, or a bad return team, we like to defer.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 7, 2009 9:32:31 GMT -6
I coach high school. There is always a chance that the 16 year old captain on the other team will absolutely insist that they want to kick. Had it happen more than once. Never deny a teenager on the other team the opportunity to do something stupid. That why I always have 3 'speaking' captains. 1 knows what to say if we win the toss, 1 knows what to say if we lose the toss, and 1 knows which end of the field we want to defend if given the option. I figure each should be able to remember that much. |
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Post by coachdjenkins on Dec 7, 2009 18:44:47 GMT -6
Defer...Want the chance to get back in the game or put the game away at the end of the 1st and beginning of the second half.
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Post by cnunley on Dec 7, 2009 19:11:53 GMT -6
As an OC I want the ball, have an 8 minute drive to open up the game and go up 7-0.
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Post by jhanawa on Dec 7, 2009 19:32:12 GMT -6
There was an article showing that statistically, the team that scored first won the majority of the time, I believe it was around 75% of the time. Based on this, and my being an OC, WE WANT THE BALL!...........However, we've had year's with GREAT defenses, and had no problem kicking off first, percentages be damned......LOL
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Post by windigo on Dec 28, 2009 12:32:47 GMT -6
not sure it's good for the debate, but we once had a team win the toss and defer, then in the second half (they were winning by 6) choose to kick the ball so they could pin us deep with their kicker and establish/maintain dominant field position. the conditions were extremely sloppy and windy, worst field i've ever seen. proved to be a great call, as field position won the game..... just some food for thought That must have been us. College game? |
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Post by xcoachx on Dec 28, 2009 13:21:52 GMT -6
DEFER. That way, when you go in at halftime, you can make the adjustments to the way the defense is playing you, then come out and score on the first possession of the 2nd half. You get an extra possession in the second half when you know what the opposing defense is going to do to you.
If you take the ball and the defense does something you haven't seen on film and you go three-and-out then you've wasted your coin toss win.
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