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Post by coachbdud on Nov 24, 2009 12:46:21 GMT -6
We have a great LB coming back next year. He was our second leading tackler this year as a sophomore, and will be by far our best returning defensive player. He never had a concussion this year but he kept getting headaches as the year went on. We want to move him to MLB next year and we are worried about his head, so i am asking which is the best helmet available on the market to reduce the risk of headaches/concussions?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2009 0:08:38 GMT -6
How do you know he never had a concussion?
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 25, 2009 1:34:10 GMT -6
How do you know he never had a concussion? He went in to the hospital to get checked out after one game when the headaches were the worst and the Doc said he had no evidence of a concussion. Our trainers would check him any time during the game he complained about it being bad and they said he was fine. I guess theres no way to no for sure. I just want to get the best helmet i can for the kid to keep him safe. Ill probably be buying it for him myself, the kids like a son to me now. Ive read some stuff on the Xenith helmet and it looks like it might be the winner |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 25, 2009 10:03:51 GMT -6
Just to be clear...I wasnt trying to be a jerk, but 90% of docs and trainers are SO far behind on brain injuries that it truly is scary. Often players who have concussions can even be asymptomatic.
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Post by schmij05 on Nov 25, 2009 10:11:14 GMT -6
From what I have heard, Xenith helmets are supposed to be top of the line. We had a kid on our team buy his own Xenith helmet and unfortunately, within the first two weeks of camp he ended up having a serious concussion that is probably going to end his playing days. I am not saying that the Xenith helmet was the issue or that it is a bad helmet, but it was a weird coincidence. We did have concussions with Riddel and Schutt helmets as well, but we provided those helmets.
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Post by fbcoach74 on Nov 25, 2009 10:30:33 GMT -6
we have used the Riddell revolution and the Schutt air xp, both are pretty good and have only had one or two concussions that were confirmed by our trainer.
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Post by kcbazooka on Nov 25, 2009 14:38:45 GMT -6
for what its worth, I think it's a difficult situation when you provide a "better" helmet for one kid than for everyone else. If I was a parent of someone who got the "lesser" helmet and he got hurt, there would be heck to pay.
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Post by cc on Nov 25, 2009 22:51:23 GMT -6
We bought 30 of the Xenith helmets. The guys found them really uncomfortable, but none of them wearing the helmet had concussions. Before that I really like the Riddell Revolution, they are way more comfortable.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 26, 2009 9:44:31 GMT -6
for what its worth, I think it's a difficult situation when you provide a "better" helmet for one kid than for everyone else. If I was a parent of someone who got the "lesser" helmet and he got hurt, there would be heck to pay. Great point. |
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dbeck84
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Post by dbeck84 on Nov 26, 2009 10:29:32 GMT -6
Maybe I'm a cynic buy...do you guys REALLY think one helmet is better than another when it comes to concussions? They are all basically the same design and basically the same materials.
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Post by chadp56 on Nov 26, 2009 10:41:11 GMT -6
Maybe I'm a cynic buy...do you guys REALLY think one helmet is better than another when it comes to concussions? They are all basically the same design and basically the same materials. I think it is possible, but who knows what is the best. I think the helmets with the foam padding that gets hard over time are probably not as good. We have been slowly replacing our older helmets with the Air XP by Shut which doesn't have that old type of padding. However, no helmet can prevent all concussions. I'm guessing that the best helmet probably only prevents 10-20% more concussions then the worst one. On the headaches, they could have been from a number of medical conditions. I'd have him do some practices without a helmet and see if he still gets them. The fit of the helmet is important too. Some kids heads seem to fit some kids heads better. |
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Post by chadp56 on Dec 4, 2009 9:23:23 GMT -6
Listening to an NFL game this past week I learned that the NFL is paying for an independent study of what helmets provide the most protection. I think they said results will be coming out around February. That should answer this question.
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Post by ammobilizer on Dec 5, 2009 12:13:28 GMT -6
Schutt Ion 4D
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Post by tribe30 on Dec 7, 2009 9:51:43 GMT -6
the mouth piece does as much to prevent concussions as the helmet, have known coaches that buy $300 helmets for kids and then give them a 25 cent mouth piece.
buy each kids a good mouth piece, it is just as important as the helmet and shoulder pads.
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Post by Mav on Dec 7, 2009 12:13:01 GMT -6
We lost our TB for about half the year this past season due to concussions. When he finally returned for the last couple of games we fitted him with a new Ion helmet. He absolutely loved it. He took a couple of bigs hits with it on(as we held our breath). He stated he could feel significantly less impact vs his old Revolution helmet. Of course, this purely non-scientific/anecdotal, but we just ordered a half dozen more for next year. If you get a chance, try one on -- they're an incredible comfortable helmet. BTW - all our players use concussion mouthpieces too. |
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Post by superpower on Dec 7, 2009 17:13:24 GMT -6
What "concussion mouthpiece" would you guys recommend? Where do you get them? How much do they cost? Thanks in advance for your feedback.
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Post by gre3nday on Dec 8, 2009 7:24:12 GMT -6
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Post by coachnorm on Dec 8, 2009 7:41:39 GMT -6
We had a rash of concussions a few years ago and went to the shock doctor mouthpieces. In the 3 years since we've only had 1. could be a coincidence, but we'll stick with them.
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lgoody
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Post by lgoody on Dec 8, 2009 10:32:40 GMT -6
Riddell Revos and Revo speeds are the best ones.
We have guys that wear Schutts and Schutt Ions, but when they get a concussion, they get put immediately in the new Revos or the new Speeds.
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Post by coachbdud on Dec 8, 2009 11:35:53 GMT -6
Riddell Revos and Revo speeds are the best ones. We have guys that wear Schutts and Schutt Ions, but when they get a concussion, they get put immediately in the new Revos or the new Speeds. i guess it just depends on the kids then because we hve about 30 revos... the kid im talking about wore a revo all year. In the 2 years we have had them all the kids want a revo day 1 and then by the end of the summe rhalf have switched back to an old school adams because they say they dont like the revos... |
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Post by chadp56 on Dec 8, 2009 16:42:40 GMT -6
I think the key to the NFL's upcoming study is that it is independent of the manufacturers who make all sorts of claims. It would be nice to see something similar on mouth pieces. Anyone able to get good mouth pieces at a discount price?
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lgoody
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Post by lgoody on Dec 11, 2009 10:32:10 GMT -6
i guess it just depends on the kids then because we hve about 30 revos... the kid im talking about wore a revo all year. In the 2 years we have had them all the kids want a revo day 1 and then by the end of the summe rhalf have switched back to an old school adams because they say they dont like the revos... To that extent, it definitely depends on the kids. UNC's starting TE has switched helmets a few times. He's wearing a Schutt Ion, but has essentially been told he's done wearing it after this season because of the two concussions he's had in his career. He's resisting it right now, but he'll be in a Speed next year. He has used the excuse of "I'm used to this helmet and it might have an impact on my performance," so the Head AT guy hasn't come down on him. There has been a lot of research at UNC in terms of analyzing concussions. The HITS system has really taken a closer look at how these things occur, and the best methods of prevention and recovery. There is a Malcolm Gladwell article that is floating around somewhere that goes into the machinations of the project. There was a definite correlation in "concussions" and the Schutt helmets. The new Revo's, (I think they're called iQ's or something...) stay together and are much better at prevention, and that's from our own personal data and experience. The new Schutt Ion's are on two or three guys that I can think of, but I believe our equipment room is moving away from Schutt in general, partially at the behest of our AT team and the guys at the top of the department. The new Speed's are nice, but I doubt most high school programs would be able to afford an entire new set of helmets. Those things are expensive as hell. All that being said, the Xenith's might be pretty good helmets. We had guys wear them last year, but they decided not to wear them this season. Didn't like the design more than anything, and we didn't have them long enough to see the track record on prevention, IIRC. The only incident we had with them was the inside bladder of one of the small little "discs" on the inside of the helmet rupturing. Ended up cutting the kids head...kind of ugly, but we still aren't sure the guy didn't cut it just to get a new helmet. We'd told him to make it through training camp, and then it suddenly developed a "tear" in the disc within two days. I don't know about Adams, as we have only a few of those in our facility. Can't remember anything about em'. They might be pretty comfortable, and work pretty well. |
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