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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 4, 2009 8:48:50 GMT -6
Well, our team kind of made the front page of the Washington Post  The team we were playing has has 2 D1 skill kids going to BCS schools and were clearly much superior to us.. They literally could have named their score...That being said..when they score their first TD their star RB..(going to Pitt)who didn't score the TD.. apparently chest bumps another player and recieves an unsportsmanlike conduct penatly..on the next drive they run a sweep..he cuts back across the field and at about the 20 yard line holds up his finger (#1...not the other one) and when gets into the endzone ...chest bumps another player..he gets another unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and is ejected from the game. In VA if you are ejected from a game for any reason , you have to sit out the game you were ejected from and the next game..well their next game is a playoff game so right now that kid can't play...the other coach is of course appealing and it makes it to the front page of the Washington Post..The gist of the article was that.... should it be a penalty for chest bumping..what do you think?? |
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 8:50:46 GMT -6
I do, read c:
SECTION 5 NONCONTACT UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT BY PLAYERS
ART. 1 . . . No player shall act in an unsportsmanlike manner once the officials
assume authority for the contest. Examples are, but not limited to:
a. Baiting or taunting acts or words or insignia worn which engenders ill will.
NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed
to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances including on the
basis of race, religion, gender or national origin.
b. Using profanity, insulting or vulgar language or gestures.
c. Any delayed, excessive or prolonged act by which a player attempts to
focus attention upon himself.
d. Using disconcerting acts or words prior to the snap in an attempt to
interfere with A’s signals or movements.
e. Kicking at the ball, other than during a legal kick.
f. Leaving the field between downs to gain an advantage unless replaced or
unless with permission of an official.
g. Refusing to comply with an official’s request.
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Post by phantom on Nov 4, 2009 8:52:58 GMT -6
Well, our team kind of made the front page of the Washington Post The team we were playing has has 2 D1 skill kids going to BCS schools and were clearly much superior to us.. They literally could have named their score...That being said..when they score their first TD their star RB..(going to Pitt)who didn't score the TD.. apparently chest bumps another player and recieves an unsportsmanlike conduct penatly..on the next drive they run a sweep..he cuts back across the field and at about the 20 yard line holds up his finger (#1...not the other one) and when gets into the endzone ...chest bumps another player..he gets another unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and is ejected from the game. In VA if you are ejected from a game for any reason , you have to sit out the game you were ejected from and the next game..well their next game is a playoff game so right now that kid can't play...the other coach is of course appealing and it makes it to the front page of the Washington Post..The gist of the article was that.... should it be a penalty for chest bumping..what do you think?? No. |
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 9:00:42 GMT -6
c. Any delayed, excessive or prolonged act by which a player attempts to
focus attention upon himself.
Coaches are the ones that write and change the rules.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 9:14:27 GMT -6
Please post the link to the story.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 4, 2009 9:18:20 GMT -6
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Post by lochness on Nov 4, 2009 9:19:38 GMT -6
That's foolishness. Why is it any different than slapping 5 or a lineman giving a little receiver who just scored a big hug? It's not like the kid did the Electric Slide in the endzone or threw the ball at the defender who chased him into the endzone.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 4, 2009 9:21:07 GMT -6
It's an emotional game. Who knows...it's a BS call and ridiculous that a player get ejected over something like that. Our QB got one this year for the #1 signal as he was going in the endzone, but no one said a word about all the uphigh's (jumping hitting their backs, instead of chest bumps). But that's also the same game we had 17 penalties for 187 yards, so we feel we were kind of getting homered, but still won the game 34-0. This IMO is another part of the problem..when one team is clearly superior to another the ref's "try to even the score"....this happened to us a bunch last year when I used to be a good coach |
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Post by dhooper on Nov 4, 2009 9:37:54 GMT -6
Refs have to much power and some of them take it to the extreme. I don't even want to get started it upsets me a bunch.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 4, 2009 9:50:09 GMT -6
The point of the matter is, and you will see this once or twice in the season, is that the game is about the kids on the field not the refs. It seems like some crews want to be made known that they are there and they are part of the game, which in my mind is unjurious to the kids and the game itself. A good crew is one who goes unnoticed and whose first priority is safety and second is fair play. It seems officials who have these intentions in mind have fewer complaints.
Throwing a flag for a chest bump is freaking reeee-diculous.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 9:51:48 GMT -6
But if the same kid does it again, whose fault is that. The HC! He better make it clear that that stuff is out!
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Post by darebelcoach on Nov 4, 2009 9:51:58 GMT -6
I think it is total BS.....the kids are celebrating...they are excited with their teammates.....like posted earlier....would it be any different if he ran to all his teammates on the field and gave them all high 5's? If the kid starts doing a dance or flips or something, yeah, flag him, but for chest bumping with another player...come on!! I don't think that qualifies as excessive celebration
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 10:01:55 GMT -6
From the Points of Emphasis section of the 2009 NFHS Rules Book
Page
85
SPORTSMANSHIP
In order for sports to serve a purpose in the educational system, students must obtain
positive educational benefits from participation in the game. Players, coaches, spectators
and officials each play a vital role in the promotion of good sportsmanship. It is essential
that those involved understand that the playing field is an extension of the classroom.
Therefore, values such as respect for self and others, fairness, self-discipline, and responsibility must be an integral part of the high school game. Everyone needs to take a part in
developing and implementing these fundamental values by setting and reinforcing clear
expectations at practice and on the playing field.
Acts that focus attention on, or those intended to engender ill will toward individuals have
no place in the educational activities. Rule 9-5-1 clearly outlines that unsportsmanlike conduct
includes any “baiting or taunting acts.” Acts such as diving into the end zone with no
defender present, excessive face painting or marking of equipment with inappropriate
words and use of disconcerting gestures should be penalized immediately as per the rule
code.
Rule 9-5-1 also extends to any acts or excessive celebrations involving the entire team.
Team rituals performed at any time including prior to and following games that are designed
to intimidate, embarrass, ridicule or demean others should not be tolerated. Each state
association is encouraged to develop policies that clearly define application of the rules to
these situations.
Anyone do the Haka?
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Post by phantom on Nov 4, 2009 10:08:56 GMT -6
From the Points of Emphasis section of the 2009 NFHS Rules Book Page 85 SPORTSMANSHIP In order for sports to serve a purpose in the educational system, students must obtain positive educational benefits from participation in the game. Players, coaches, spectators and officials each play a vital role in the promotion of good sportsmanship. It is essential that those involved understand that the playing field is an extension of the classroom. Therefore, values such as respect for self and others, fairness, self-discipline, and responsibility must be an integral part of the high school game. Everyone needs to take a part in developing and implementing these fundamental values by setting and reinforcing clear expectations at practice and on the playing field. Acts that focus attention on, or those intended to engender ill will toward individuals have no place in the educational activities. Rule 9-5-1 clearly outlines that unsportsmanlike conduct includes any “baiting or taunting acts.” Acts such as diving into the end zone with no defender present, excessive face painting or marking of equipment with inappropriate words and use of disconcerting gestures should be penalized immediately as per the rule code. Rule 9-5-1 also extends to any acts or excessive celebrations involving the entire team. Team rituals performed at any time including prior to and following games that are designed to intimidate, embarrass, ridicule or demean others should not be tolerated. Each state association is encouraged to develop policies that clearly define application of the rules to these situations. Anyone do the Haka? I don't see the chest-bump unless it "disconcerts" somebody. I think that anybody who gets disconcerted by a chest bump is probably too out of touch to be officiating games that kids play. |
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Post by calicoachh on Nov 4, 2009 10:11:51 GMT -6
chest bumping is celebrating with a teammate, that's what you want to do after a big play. putting a finger up is calling attention to yourself, that is a penalty.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 4, 2009 10:17:52 GMT -6
We are 7-1 this year. The best refereed game this year? The game we lost. I am dumbfounded by some of the stuff we are seeing this year. Including the "you tackled him too hard" penalty our linebacker received when he hit the QB.....and he didn't hit him late. We have almost four times the amount of penalties as our opponents each game. We are NOT undisciplined.
We might have the best D line we have had in school history. They have received ZERO holding calls against them all year. ZERO!!! How is that possible with the penetration, energy, effort, and pursuit they are showing? I see about 5 blatant holds on film each week. Yet we get 4 times the flags.
I can't stand when a ref works a game where the teams aren't playing to the whistle or hitting very hard...then they get our game and think what we are doing is a penalty...when it's good ole fashion, hard nosed football. Fires me up.
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Post by darebelcoach on Nov 4, 2009 10:28:11 GMT -6
ToThe House.....My nose tackle had the "you hit him too hard" penalty called on him a couple years ago when he hit the QB as he ran option.....lit him up, destroyed him and caused a fumble....flag gets thrown for unnecessary roughness...when I asked what was unnecessary about hitting the QB on option, the head official told me our d-lineman hit him way too hard. I almost pissed in my pants I was laughing so hard....but again, it goes back to the earlier posts....refs who want to make sure people know they are there, as opposed to just being a part of the game, they want to BE the game
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 10:31:01 GMT -6
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Post by phantom on Nov 4, 2009 10:32:23 GMT -6
Still don't see the chest bump. |
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Post by airraider on Nov 4, 2009 10:33:13 GMT -6
We are 7-1 this year. The best refereed game this year? The game we lost. I am dumbfounded by some of the stuff we are seeing this year. Including the "you tackled him too hard" penalty our linebacker received when he hit the QB.....and he didn't hit him late. We have almost four times the amount of penalties as our opponents each game. We are NOT undisciplined. We might have the best D line we have had in school history. They have received ZERO holding calls against them all year. ZERO!!! How is that possible with the penetration, energy, effort, and pursuit they are showing? I see about 5 blatant holds on film each week. Yet we get 4 times the flags. I can't stand when a ref works a game where the teams aren't playing to the whistle or hitting very hard...then they get our game and think what we are doing is a penalty...when it's good ole fashion, hard nosed football. Fires me up. I got all over an official because he didnt call horsecollar on my player.. Said that he was brought down sideways.. which is fine.. if we were not called for it the week before for taking a kid down forwards.. Im all for rules to help safety.. but dangit.. cant we all be on the same page with what is.. and what isnt a horsecollar? |
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 4, 2009 10:34:40 GMT -6
no, not at all. even our coaches chest bump.
Our WR coach is a very good friend of mine, but he has the energy of a crackhead. Just non stop 100 MPH. After any big touchdown or great TD run he runs over to the kid as they come off the field and gives them the leaping chest bump.
I have given a couple this season myself, and i have seen everyteam around here do it and never seen a flag thrown for it.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 4, 2009 10:38:40 GMT -6
An assistant coach on the varsity staff overheard the refs in our coaches office (where their dressing room is) saying that our team "picks out players on the other team and purposely goes after them for crack back blocks". This was before a game. How do we have a chance when guys are saying that stuff? How does it make us look as a team, coaching staff? Our reputation is really good in these parts. We don't do that stuff. I heard about this after the game....where our D1 TE/DE peeled back on a punt and leveled a kid....got a penatly for "helmet to helmet" when he clearly struck the kid with his chest and shoulder.
I don't usually mind when refs are consistent with calls and such. But with this thread....it opened the scab of this season. I'm worried, come playoff time, that somebody is going to get burned by a call that the ref "thought" they saw.
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Post by k on Nov 4, 2009 10:41:22 GMT -6
chest bumping is celebrating with a teammate, that's what you want to do after a big play. putting a finger up is calling attention to yourself, that is a penalty. Ummm we have a kid who puts up one finger after every time he makes a big play. He is a religious kid and is thanking god not calling himself #1. That said this kid was apparently doing it DURING the play... So *shrugs* Chest bumping can't be a penalty unless high fiving is also a penalty. |
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 10:42:51 GMT -6
If they said that tothehouse it is probably because the opposition Head Coach told them that.
What is your point phantom? It doesn't say that chest bumps are legal either. If an official feels the Chest Bumps are excessive they can call it.
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Post by k on Nov 4, 2009 10:47:07 GMT -6
What is your point phantom? It doesn't say that chest bumps are legal either. If an official feels the Chest Bumps are excessive they can call it. I thinking smiling is excessive after a big play. I'm going to stop coaching become a ref and penalize kids for excessive smiling. |
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Post by phantom on Nov 4, 2009 10:48:38 GMT -6
If they said that tothehouse it is probably because the opposition Head Coach told them that. What is your point phantom? It doesn't say that chest bumps are legal either. If an official feels the Chest Bumps are excessive they can call it. My point is that you keep quoting rules that don't prove your point. |
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 10:52:30 GMT -6
You are wrong phantom, they all prove that drawing attention to ones self is illegal. That is what these officials were told to rule on chest bumps.
If acting like you are looking at a watch is too excessive, then chest bumps are too.
That is my point.
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Post by k on Nov 4, 2009 11:03:54 GMT -6
If acting like you are looking at a watch is too excessive, then chest bumps are too. That is my point. Don't forget smiling. |
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Post by darebelcoach on Nov 4, 2009 11:06:30 GMT -6
Sure, if refs want to look at the rules like that, go for it...but if officials are going to take everything super literal and what not, then we are in for some trouble in the future....chest bumping your teammates after a nice TD isn't calling attention to oneself (in my opinion). Either is high fiving. Doing a dance, spinning on your head, spiking a football, sure.....chest bumping, come on.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 4, 2009 11:06:31 GMT -6
It's really simple: Go to your sideline & you can celebrate however you want -- hand grenades, pistols, chest bumps, dances, etc.
Do it on the field and you risk being penalized.
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The team we were playing has has 2 D1 skill kids going to BCS schools and were clearly much superior to us.. They literally could have named their score...That being said..when they score their first TD their star RB..(going to Pitt)who didn't score the TD.. apparently chest bumps another player and recieves an unsportsmanlike conduct penatly..on the next drive they run a sweep..he cuts back across the field and at about the 20 yard line holds up his finger (#1...not the other one) and when gets into the endzone ...chest bumps another player..he gets another unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and is ejected from the game. In VA if you are ejected from a game for any reason , you have to sit out the game you were ejected from and the next game..well their next game is a playoff game so right now that kid can't play...the other coach is of course appealing and it makes it to the front page of the Washington Post..The gist of the article was that.... should it be a penalty for chest bumping..what do you think??
