ccox16
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Post by ccox16 on Mar 27, 2009 13:49:28 GMT -6
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Post by schultbear74 on Mar 27, 2009 13:55:19 GMT -6
Yeah, The "pimps" are coming to take away high school football
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Post by superpower on Mar 27, 2009 14:27:43 GMT -6
Is there any room for offensive and defensive linemen in AAU football?
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Post by thakatalyst on Mar 27, 2009 14:45:46 GMT -6
Oh no
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Post by dubber on Mar 27, 2009 15:11:56 GMT -6
I read the article.
Not as bad as I originally thought.
But, could get crappy quickly
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Post by knight9299 on Mar 27, 2009 15:37:23 GMT -6
Yeah, The "pimps" are coming to take away high school football Maybe you didn't know that the AAU took up and promoted basketball at a time when colleges weren't much interested. Before that, of course, it was the YMCA. I don't understand why team sports have to be connected to schools. About the only good connection I can think of is that those who play or manage an extramural sport are usually excused from phys. ed. during that semester or trimester, and in some cases the school even if it didn't have an extramural team would have the required facilities for the sport for phys. ed., so it might as well be available for the sport extramurally. There is the prevailing notion that you unless you are a teacher you are NOT qualified to coach. This notion is reinforced by many (many, not ALL) AAU basketball coaches.
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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 27, 2009 19:04:51 GMT -6
I read the article.. I think Urban Meyer is taking the most pragmatic approach that you can.. there probably is not a way to stop it... so as a college coach it is up to you to adapt or wither. as a hs coach how can you ask your potential Div 1A scholarship player not to showcase their talent when others do. if I were a team that had Div 1A players every year that might be a different story. In my 20 years of coaching hs and college, I have only coached one "D1" player... a transfer from Syracuse and frankly he didn't start for us either so I guess he wasn't really a D1 player
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Post by Coach Huey on Mar 27, 2009 19:21:20 GMT -6
'all-star' teams may not participate in state sanctioned 7-on-7 tournaments here in texas. there is a good infrastructure in place 'governing' our summer 7on7... state7on7.com
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Post by schultbear74 on Mar 27, 2009 19:35:51 GMT -6
I have worked with many non= teacher coaches whose service and friendship I value a great deal. I have also seen a bunch of non-professional pimps in baseball, basketball, volleyball, tennis and so forth who do not have the best interests of the kid in mind. Perhaps I have been in the business too long, but I see a trend in athletics that makes me uncomfortable. I hope that I am wrong.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 27, 2009 19:52:47 GMT -6
I too am some what concerned about this ... I doubt it could EVER get to the levels of B-Ball just because of the nature of the game... But it does sound like this 7 on 7 concept may catch a little steam... It is SO annoying... I agree with everyone else - keep the third party blood suckers OUT of the equation. Most of these people are idiots and most can be found in lower socio economic areas where the kids do not have the proper guidance of a mother and father... Very often in comes "Coach Tony" or as I like to call them "Street Agents". Where this will be missed is that these 7 on 7 camps are really for D-IA players.. Most of us do not have kids that can play at these camps but some how our kids may get involved in this absolute joke because all of the "Coach Tony's" of the world will tell them "this is what you need to do to get a scholarshiop"... And here we go....
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Post by wingtol on Mar 28, 2009 9:43:10 GMT -6
This whole thing is very anti-fatty. I object, this is def weight discrimination at it's best! I am going to sue to stop it based on it's exclusionary nature against the Linemen. Who's with me!!!!!!
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 28, 2009 20:46:43 GMT -6
I AM IN!!! O-LINE PRIDE!!
All joking aside that is also another reason I do not think this AAU Football thing will NEVER come close to what B-Ball has....
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Post by tog on Mar 28, 2009 21:39:22 GMT -6
this is the devil
it must be stomped out
this is more evil than a-11
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 28, 2009 21:58:26 GMT -6
I do agree with you...
The bottome feeders will be coming out when this gets some steam....
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Post by morris on Mar 29, 2009 9:44:37 GMT -6
I know some teams here in KY have looked at AAU football to get around HS rules of being with players. They would create AAU teams that are just the HS team under a different name so they can do some offseason stuff that they would not be able to do under KHSAA rules. I do not think anyone has gone this direction yet or if they will. For most of us this is never going to be an issue. I can see it in FL, CA, and some other places where talent is located in closer areas.
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Post by phantom on Mar 29, 2009 10:00:33 GMT -6
I know some teams here in KY have looked at AAU football to get around HS rules of being with players. They would create AAU teams that are just the HS team under a different name so they can do some offseason stuff that they would not be able to do under KHSAA rules. I do not think anyone has gone this direction yet or if they will. For most of us this is never going to be an issue. I can see it in FL, CA, and some other places where talent is located in closer areas. Creating AAU football teams would be tremendously short-sighted. I don't see how any football coach can look at what the AAU has done in basketball and think that it would be a good idea to hand their team over to those guys.
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 29, 2009 13:44:32 GMT -6
I know some teams here in KY have looked at AAU football to get around HS rules of being with players. They would create AAU teams that are just the HS team under a different name so they can do some offseason stuff that they would not be able to do under KHSAA rules. I do not think anyone has gone this direction yet or if they will. For most of us this is never going to be an issue. I can see it in FL, CA, and some other places where talent is located in closer areas. Creating AAU football teams would be tremendously short-sighted. I don't see how any football coach can look at what the AAU has done in basketball and think that it would be a good idea to hand their team over to those guys. The games discussed in the original article had nothing to do with the actual AAU, but let's discuss the AAU anyway. Seems they're always in the role of getting a good thing going, and then getting muscled out. Before there was a NCAA, it was the AAU that first promoted basketball among colleges seriously, and served as their governing body for that game. Then the NCAA, founded as the ICAAUS, was formed in response to political heat to reform football, and as an afterthought took over other intercollegiate sports, although not all at once; initially their motivation might've been to add more respectability to football by having it seen in company with less vilified sports. The NCAA similarly took over intercollegiate women's basketball after the AIWA had gotten it going. Around that time the AAU, which had never actually gotten out of adult amateur basketball, started to promote it again seriously enough to provide pre-season competition to college varsities. Then the NCAA froze them out by prohibiting NCAA teams from playing opponents outside the NCAA. AAU's main concentration had always been on track & field. Then Congress in effect took even that away from them by chartering an official US Olympics Committee. The AAU had been instrumental in founding the modern Olympics. Once development of Olympic teams had been snatched from AAU -- other countries had taken that step earlier -- USOC's tentacles reached lower, turning what had been in the USA competitions held by AAU into USOC-sponsored affairs. I gather that now AAU has been left exclusively with some youth sports, almost exclusively in the USA. I'd be the last to say that an institution should get respect out of tradition, regardless of the people or practices it currently attracts. Maybe the AAU should be allowed to die already instead of existing as a rump of operators with a fly by night reputation. There are plenty of organizations for amateur football and other sports now, no need for an AAU to get involved. But the history of the AAU exists as a caution to sports organizers -- it can get very political, and you can get squeezed out by more powerful organizations regardless of whatever good you've done and success you've had.
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slimbo7722
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Post by slimbo7722 on Mar 29, 2009 19:41:27 GMT -6
T doing doing he problem with AAU that i have is with the parents that do the coaching. Usually ( in my experience) the parents start thinking that they are better or know more than actual coaches. They go against what has been taught by someone that has earned a degree and the right to be called a coach. Have had AAU coaches hollaring out of the stands telling kids to do something exactly opposite of what i just told them to do. AAU coaches are volunteers trying to do what many of us make a living doing, wich means we may see other peoples kids more than we see our own. I am proud to be a COACH and for someone to belittle mine or another coaches sacrifices by calling the average joe, who hasn't and will never put in the effort, time, and love into what we do, coach is disrespectful.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 30, 2009 10:40:13 GMT -6
Excellent points -
To be a head coach in Virginia for football you have to have a college degree (You teach). This allows for some professional training.
My experience with these "street agents" is they are not educated and many are in this for the wrong reasons. The NCAA should really do whatever it can to not allow this type of stuff to run wild in football. Keep these people away - where they belong.
When I talk with our B-Ball coach it is amazing all of the crap and stuff he has to go through and put up with (AAU travel teams and the like... Coaches...). It is not good for the game of basketball and this would hurt football as well.
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Post by coachayinde on Mar 30, 2009 11:57:06 GMT -6
Many of us who played D 1 football know that the biggest PIMP is the NCAA. Sad to say but if the NCAA can make gazillions off this sport, then why not the street pimps or any one else in that matter. In social economically challenged areas “the hood” usually it is the so called drug dealer "street pimp" who puts the so called stud on a budget, takes care of him and his family also forbids the stud to engage in anything but his education and sport. The first promoter by way of word of mouth is usually the so called street pimp. They pay for fees and sports apparel the family couldn’t afford. My mother and father made decent money therefore I didn’t need that type of assistance. My dad worked very much and when he had the time he loved tennis and bowling. He wasn’t much of the football and basketball type. This is when a so called street pimp came into my life and showed me everything about football training. His son is now an All Pro WR for the Denver Broncos. I transferred from a JC to West Virginia 89. Growing up in Pittsburgh your favorite schools were Pitt or Penn State. However, once my childhood friend Major Harris arrived at WVU and became the face of NCAA Football, Myself and many others came. There was a 60% jump in attendance. Prior to that most people thought WVU was in the state of Virginia .Playing college football was great as long as you just played football. Coach Nielen did not permit players to join any other social groups. We lived in trailer parks directly across from the stadium. I remember pledging my fraternity A PHI A and sneaking past the stadium every night. I never understood why I needed to loan money to major considering he was the reason our school was so popular. Everywhere we go people were wearing some form of T-shirt or jersey or banner that had #9 Major Harris on it. Yes our scholarship at the time was 50 thousand but the school was making millions. So I ask who the real Street pimps are. Now days the dealers have been replaced by more legitimate organizations that help the lower economic ranks. Many entertainers and athletes such as Snoop don’t get enough credit for what they do in the community
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Post by coachayinde on Mar 30, 2009 11:57:34 GMT -6
Many of us who played D 1 football know that the biggest PIMP is the NCAA. Sad to say but if the NCAA can make gazillions off this sport, then why not the street pimps or any one else in that matter. In social economically challenged areas “the hood” usually it is the so called drug dealer "street pimp" who puts the so called stud on a budget, takes care of him and his family also forbids the stud to engage in anything but his education and sport. The first promoter by way of word of mouth is usually the so called street pimp. They pay for fees and sports apparel the family couldn’t afford. My mother and father made decent money therefore I didn’t need that type of assistance. My dad worked very much and when he had the time he loved tennis and bowling. He wasn’t much of the football and basketball type. This is when a so called street pimp came into my life and showed me everything about football training. His son is now an All Pro WR for the Denver Broncos. I transferred from a JC to West Virginia 89. Growing up in Pittsburgh your favorite schools were Pitt or Penn State. However, once my childhood friend Major Harris arrived at WVU and became the face of NCAA Football, Myself and many others came. There was a 60% jump in attendance. Prior to that most people thought WVU was in the state of Virginia .Playing college football was great as long as you just played football. Coach Nielen did not permit players to join any other social groups. We lived in trailer parks directly across from the stadium. I remember pledging my fraternity A PHI A and sneaking past the stadium every night. I never understood why I needed to loan money to major considering he was the reason our school was so popular. Everywhere we go people were wearing some form of T-shirt or jersey or banner that had #9 Major Harris on it. Yes our scholarship at the time was 50 thousand but the school was making millions. So I ask who the real Street pimps are. Now days the dealers have been replaced by more legitimate organizations that help the lower economic ranks. Many entertainers and athletes such as Snoop don’t get enough credit for what they do in the community
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Post by dubber on Mar 30, 2009 12:13:10 GMT -6
this is the devil it must be stomped out this is more evil than a-11 When I read this, I got a vision of a fire and brimstone preacher and some type of pre-game football ritualistic melee. "Ye, the EVIL of this abomination must thou stompeth out. More EVIL than the A-11 is she, and abhorring to the God of football. It is the DEVIL! The DEVIL, I SAY!!! Back to the soccer field with thee, SATAN!" Luckily, I found a video of Tog preaching the good news at a recent clinic:
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 30, 2009 12:18:47 GMT -6
Hey no argument.. Two wrongs do not make a right but....
THE VAST MAJORITY of high school players are NOT playing college football and under 1% are playing D-IA college football.. Bottom line these "pimps" create false expectations for young players and they focus on the athletic portion and NOT academics... It makes our jobs as legitimate educators that much more difficult.
Where I have coached you see these "street agents" pimping kids in middle school... They coach youth football - you know the"Coach Tony and Coach Robbie" of the worlds... They push these kids to play in their youth organization because they will play in the Pop Warner Super Bowl on ESPN in December.. What a joke... Most of these coaches I have run across do not have a college degree. From there they "peddle" these young children like they are merchandise (To the highest bidder... What high school coach wants my 13 year old prodigy...).
Again - If a kid is good, it will be on his tape. There is no need for some ridiculous all star 7 on 7 AAU All Star Team thing... Hell it is not even real football...
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 30, 2009 15:09:55 GMT -6
To be a head coach in Virginia for football you have to have a college degree (You teach). This allows for some professional training. That's a bug, not a feature -- and I mean that about all public school teaching, not just coaching. NY makes it especially difficult to be even a substitute teacher of a subject you're expert in and have taught at the college level, unless you have specifically teaching course credits. To be a full teacher requires a Master's in ed. This is of personal importance to me because I'm broke and could stand to pick up a few bucks teaching HS science -- but getting in line to do "incidental teaching" as a "limited substitute" for a few hours a year isn't worthwhile. It's easier in NJ.
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slimbo7722
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Post by slimbo7722 on Mar 30, 2009 15:54:32 GMT -6
It doesn't matter whether college is way over sold in the US or not. You still have to earn a degree to teach/coach in a public school. And for someone that has not put in that time to earn that degree, to go and undermine me or another coach ..... well i think you know how i feel.
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Post by morris on Mar 30, 2009 18:02:56 GMT -6
I know some teams here in KY have looked at AAU football to get around HS rules of being with players. They would create AAU teams that are just the HS team under a different name so they can do some offseason stuff that they would not be able to do under KHSAA rules. I do not think anyone has gone this direction yet or if they will. For most of us this is never going to be an issue. I can see it in FL, CA, and some other places where talent is located in closer areas. I forgot to put in my original post the "coach" of the team would be someone connected to the program not just someone putting together a team. So for example I would run the HS program and since i am not a coach at the HS it gets around some of the rules. It would allow kids to do 7 on 7 against other school AAU teams so they could do 7 on 7 in states where the HS are not allowed to. Creating AAU football teams would be tremendously short-sighted. I don't see how any football coach can look at what the AAU has done in basketball and think that it would be a good idea to hand their team over to those guys.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 30, 2009 18:32:30 GMT -6
Bingo Slimbo..
Well said.
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Post by briangilbert on Mar 30, 2009 18:42:06 GMT -6
aaufootballisbad.com
It's a terrible idea. People can make money off selling drugs too...Doesn't make it right.
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Post by schultbear74 on Mar 30, 2009 20:20:02 GMT -6
Amen
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Post by davecisar on Mar 31, 2009 7:38:06 GMT -6
There was an investigative deal on AAU basketball in the Washington Post they found:
AAU Programs that funneled players to certain Universitys got lots of HUGE $$$ from Alums from said Universitys. How else do these guys get paid and huge travel budgets paid for. Check out Cincinnati Bearcats on this one.
Certain College coaches that got "referrals" from "player/agents" were continued to get "refererals" as long as the college agent was then "referred back" by the college coach once the player decided to go pro.
Omaha World Herald had a story on it as well. Seems like this AAU, Agent, College Basketball model is very flawed BUT since it is raking in so much $$$$, probably not a lot will be done.
Also: It didn't take long for Bob Huggins' first questionable move. (AP) As far as the NCAA is concerned, there's nothing illegal about the kind of package deal Huggins is blatantly pursuing by hiring Dalonte Hill away from Charlotte. Hill, a nondescript assistant for the 49ers, is joining Huggins' staff for one reason, and one reason only: Hill is tight with Michael Beasley, one of the top five players from the high school class of 2007.
How tight? Beasley is a 6-foot-9 small forward -- think Carmelo Anthony, only bigger -- who could play anywhere in America, and last year he committed to play for little ol' Charlotte.
That tight.
Beasley won't go to Charlotte now, of course. He'll go to Kansas State. Nothing has been announced, and nothing is official, but that's what the hiring of Dalonte Hill really means. It has nothing to do with Dalonte Hill. It has everything to do with Michael Beasley.
Of course Huggins after K-State gave him his big break to get back into the game did what?
HE left after 1 season for the BBD, bigger better deal.
Hope footballs not heading in this direction.
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