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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2009 19:47:25 GMT -6
From the A11 website:
February 10, 2009
Dear Football Coaches, Rest assured the A-11 Offense is here to stay. There are too many demonstrated benefits for the teams wanting to use it (such as reducing injury rates). Please review the Position Paper Link on the A-11 Offense site for more details.
Moving forward into the 2009 season and beyond, several options are under review for any team in America wanting to "retain the right" to use the A-11 Offense if they believe it will help their team, their league and/or their entire section compete in a more equitable fashion based on their circumstances.
Our group will help lead the way for any team nationwide wanting to use the A-11 Offense in 2009 and the future. Thank you very much for all of the great ideas submitted to us by coaches throughout the country.
Please check back at our web site for all related updates, and also the upcoming Blue Print enabling your team to use the A-11 Offense in 2009 and beyond.
Sounds to me that the A11 is pretty much toast.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 10, 2009 20:08:50 GMT -6
Reduce injuries? {censored}.... that is what the weight room is for. When my 6-4/225 war daddy* hits your toothpick WR trying to block no A-11 offense is gonna save his ass. Cheese and rice when will this madness end.
*Please note: We have not developed a "war daddy" yet. We have a couple in the works though, and hopefully they fulfill that role next season.
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Post by PSS on Feb 10, 2009 20:18:42 GMT -6
Football is a contact sport!! Athletes are going to get injured playing football, DOH!!! If you're afraid you're going to get hurt then check your ass out of football.
(Actually told one of my D-Linemen that today during off-season workout)
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2009 20:29:31 GMT -6
Here's some footage from the last A-11 clinic:
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Post by coachcathey on Feb 10, 2009 20:32:12 GMT -6
There are more injuries in communist kickball that "tackle" football. There are scientific studies are out there to prove it.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Feb 10, 2009 22:40:28 GMT -6
OK, so who wants to bet they're working on a "New and Improved A-11," aka the BYU/Emory and Henry Spread?
They probably got that idea from this board...
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Post by coachweav88 on Feb 10, 2009 23:11:39 GMT -6
OK, so who wants to bet they're working on a "New and Improved A-11," aka the BYU/Emory and Henry Spread? They probably got that idea from this board... No, I bet they're recruiting their hallways for prototypical a-11 personnel.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 11, 2009 0:48:06 GMT -6
football isnt even the most dangerous sport. a lot of people compare it to basketball on grass... I saw a study somewhere last season that more injuries occur in basketball than in any other sport
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Post by airraider on Feb 11, 2009 2:40:06 GMT -6
I guess the point is WELL made when you look at WHY the A-11 is successful vs the BYU or Emory/Henry stuff.. Its not that those formations put you at a disadvantage.. its the fact that anytime you can cause the defense to play unsure.. you have an advantage..
When the defense doesnt know WHO will be eligible from snap to snap.. that really slows down their ability to "just play football".
Kind of like when you are playing back yard ball.. and that one fat kid keeps catching the ball all over the place because no one thinks he can catch it.. so his man just leaves him open.. and everyone else is screaming "who man, who man?"
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Post by morris on Feb 11, 2009 7:47:53 GMT -6
But the fat kid does not have a place in the A-11.
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Post by oguru on Feb 11, 2009 7:51:53 GMT -6
and lets face it the A-11 doesn't have a place in the federation schools. It's that simple. I don't care what they are trying to do. the federation said NO, and I doubt they are going to say yes.
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Post by brophy on Feb 11, 2009 8:31:39 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 9:03:25 GMT -6
Wait til they get a hold of the new N-11 offense that we're working on. We have 11 guys in lineman numbers and run a lot of fumble-rooski
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 11, 2009 9:09:36 GMT -6
Football is a contact sport!! Athletes are going to get injured playing football, DOH!!! If you're afraid you're going to get hurt then check your {censored} out of football. (Actually told one of my D-Linemen that today during off-season workout) Actually.. dancing is a contact sport.. Football is a COLLISION sport NCAA statistics will tell you that DIVING is the most dangerous sport when compared w/ injuries per participant
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Post by darebelcoach on Feb 11, 2009 10:01:13 GMT -6
In all honesty....when is the Federation supposed to deicde on whether or not the A-11 will be ineligible for the upcoming high school season?
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 11, 2009 10:03:54 GMT -6
One thing I would love to know is this......Are other staffs using the A-11 as adamant about keeping the offense legal and this nervous about the ramifications if deemed illegal? I think Kurt feels like it would be the end of the world cause his 15 minutes of fame os over and his sale on videos will now be a collectors item.
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Post by charger109 on Feb 11, 2009 10:19:46 GMT -6
But the fat kid does not have a place in the A-11. I Could not agree more! O-lineman get subbed in this offense! So do other players as far as tranistion, Here is a phone interview held with a Player and Recuiter: R: "This is Coach, how are you? I see you had 35 TD cathes this year for over 2,000 yards recieving. That's a National Record!" P: I am doing well Coach! Yes sir! I worked very hard and I am dedicated to doing the same for this University! R: What offense did you guys run at you High School? P: We ran the A-11 Offense and I am looking for a University that does the same. R: ............................................ P: hello? hello? If the A-11 does stick around, fine. I don't have a problem with the A-11 part, but the number thing is wrong IMO and yes, how are players suppose to develope in an Offense that won't even be leagal at the next level? P.S. The Lonesome Polecat is the Original!
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Post by kylem56 on Feb 11, 2009 11:59:05 GMT -6
it looks like the decision will come out sometime next week according to todays front page of Yahoo! and Rivals highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=911196"The football rules committee of the NHFS met Jan. 24-26 in Indianapolis and Bryan said the committee discussed proposals that would effectively take the fledgling A-11 off the chalkboard. Brad Garrett, the assistant executive director of the Oregon Activities Association and vice chairman of the NFHS Rules Football Committee, said rules committee members cannot talk about proposed rule changes or how they voted. The rules committee makes recommendations to the NFHS national governing board, which votes whether to accept recommendations, but the board typically passes what it is presented by the rules committee. The board is expected to release rule changes for 2009 in the next week."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 13:00:15 GMT -6
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Post by wingtol on Feb 11, 2009 13:37:48 GMT -6
"There is a demonstrative benefit of using the A-11 offense, and there is room in America for more than one style of football," Bryan said. "There is a loud, ugly minority out there that is against this offense.
"This is standing up for the little guy in football, the schools without the numbers of kids or the big linemen. There is a huge disconnect between the players on the ground, the kids that play in this offense and the National Federation."
Ummm I coach at a little school and have had several undersized linemen the last few years. We have started fr and soph on the line several times. Our best OL is our 155 lb left guard. Never once thought about finding a new brad of football to play. We just try and DEVELOP our players in-season and off-season. I just feel like this A-11 is a give up offense, we're to small, we're to slow, we're to this...give me a break. There are tons of schools that compete week in and week out with schools bigger than them. Cry me a river.
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 11, 2009 13:46:01 GMT -6
Our best offensive lineman in 2008 was 5'8" 155lbs. He was a right guard at a California Division 1 school. He led the team is flat back blocks! How was that possible? It wasn't the scheme (wing-t)....that's for sure.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 11, 2009 13:49:56 GMT -6
Man- I hope they just make a definite decision in this matter- no more BS loopholes. I respect what Kurt & the boys have tried to do- nothing wrong with being innovative. I don't agree with it, but until they change the rule more power to them...
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Post by kylem56 on Feb 11, 2009 13:57:01 GMT -6
Dont get me wrong, I am all for being creative and finding a way to win within the rules but this comment...
"This is standing up for the little guy in football, the schools without the numbers of kids or the big linemen. There is a huge disconnect between the players on the ground, the kids that play in this offense and the National Federation."
Isnt that why the Wing T and the Triple Option was made ?
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Post by airman on Feb 11, 2009 14:03:29 GMT -6
ever notice people who do not like the A 11 attack the guys who created the offense. The call them names.
If you could give me a logically argument as to why the A 11 should be banned then I could maybe see your point.
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Post by superpower on Feb 11, 2009 14:07:54 GMT -6
ever notice people who do not like the A 11 attack the guys who created the offense. The call them names. If you could give me a logically argument as to why the A 11 should be banned then I could maybe see your point. I don't know the innovators of the offense. My problem with it is how it takes advantage of a loophole in the rules.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 11, 2009 14:14:28 GMT -6
"This is standing up for the little guy in football, the schools without the numbers of kids or the big linemen. There is a huge disconnect between the players on the ground, the kids that play in this offense and the National Federation." Isn't that why they have flag football...? Maybe Duece, Outlaw, and myself should start petitioning to run the new 4-4-4 defense... I bet we could win some games if we found a way to do that! We could play a 2-shell and have 8 in the box on running downs... We could play a 2-shell with 4 underneath and bring 6 on passing downs.... And let's not forget that on goaline we can put one man in each gap and still have 2 C's and 2 LB's to play against the PAP...
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Post by airman on Feb 11, 2009 14:17:10 GMT -6
what loophole. the rule was put into play to get more athletes on the field and remove the non athletes from the field.
like it or not with the advent of spread football the tackles are going to get smaller and look more like tight ends. smaller to pass protect vs speed rushers but also smaller to pull on gap schemes.
the run and shoot was the death of the 34 defense in the NFL. the run and shoot put those dual responsibility players in major conflicts.
The NFL went away from the run and shoot and now you are seeing more and more 34 defenses.
at one time I believe it was only Pittsburgh who was running the 34 defense. now there will like 10 teams running the 34 defense. with more and more teams running the 34 defense you will see more spread offenses in the NFL.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 14:19:09 GMT -6
I agree with Superpower, I'm all for something new but come on. It's akin to Warner sewing footballs on his teams jerseys.
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Post by knighter on Feb 11, 2009 14:26:58 GMT -6
air you can't logically tell me they are not exploiting a loophole in the scrimmage kick rule. i suppose you are going to tell me you often punt on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd downs....garbage
they exploit a loophole in a rule, and when that loophole is taken away they are going to "take their ball and go home". i hav eno issue with the innovators themselves, but what i see more is if the loophole gets closed they have no more product to sell and THAT is why they are fighting so hard...it has nothing to do with what is good for kids, and everything to do with $$$$$
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Post by splitbacks on Feb 11, 2009 14:27:54 GMT -6
I don't like the A11, however, Kurt will go down in football history as they guy who rocked the foundation of football as we know it, and brought about much needed clarifications in the national rule book. On the other hand, while I don't like to call other coaches names, I don't appreciate being called a "loud, ugly minority" that is not at all accurate and stinks of fear. Turning around and claiming that the A11 helps prevent injuries is absolutely pathetic. Now it sounds like a last desperate attempt to save his innovation. It is important that rules are clarified so numbering and positions are clearly defined.
I also heard that a copy of the install manual is floating around
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