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Post by wingtol on Aug 26, 2008 18:30:55 GMT -6
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Post by coache67 on Aug 26, 2008 18:42:42 GMT -6
Well, of course OHIO is the best . . .
That being said however, FLA, CALI, TX all have populations that dwarf that of OH (3-1 and 2-1 per) so they probably should have better HS football.
It's kind of the same way I feel about the Olympics - China did well but when you consider everything that they pour into it and their billion people, they should have done better.
USA - OH - USA - OH . . .
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Post by nickknx865 on Aug 26, 2008 19:13:44 GMT -6
Well, I'll be the first to say that Texas, Ohio, and Cali are the best, and Ohio too, but Tennessee is a top 10 high school football state in my opinion, but this could just be me being a big homer.
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Post by airraider on Aug 26, 2008 19:18:25 GMT -6
I feel if you took the top 40 players from each state.. it would be a toss up between Tex, LA, Cali, and Florida..
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Post by liberalhater on Aug 26, 2008 20:18:15 GMT -6
I believe fla has the athletes and lacks the coaching. I remember this debate on another forum. How powerful the team from texas was and how MIami team couldnt play with enough disciipline same with Ohio. Neither the team from ohio or texas had any buisness being on the same field athletically has the two teams from florida. Notice I said ATHLETICALLY.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Aug 27, 2008 0:53:20 GMT -6
Screw you all..OREGON owns the world!!!!! Actually, being from Cali ..very good football played in Sections of it. I'm sure you can say that about every state too. There are classifications and areas of states that are as weak as can be, and then there are very good football areas. I've always found semi-rural and suburb area's field really good teams. The city teams always seem to struggle..at least its that way in the bay area. Oregon seems its same too..Portland area isn't that strong, but get outside of portland and outside salem/eugene/corvallis..good football. Eastern oregon is pretty decent, but its very rural so there are virtually no large classifications being played here. In the smaller divisions, the eastern schools do very very well.
Had to modify my post by saying.. and then there is the Private schools..Jesuit, De La Salle ...(whole 'nother topic!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2008 6:04:06 GMT -6
Lets see...hmmm...Jim Kelly...great...Joe Montana ..great...Dan Marino...great...Rich Gannon...pretty good.....Kerry Collins...hasn't been god since he quit the bottle, but was pretty good in his time....Matt Ryan..showing potential.....Marvin Harrison (my ex teammate) headed to the hall of fame.....I could probably go on, for hours here, but I think PA got the shaft a little here boys
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Post by fatkicker on Aug 27, 2008 6:34:28 GMT -6
let's not forget that the arguement for the greatest of all time at a few positions could lead to mississippi....
again.....one could argue.........brett favre, walter payton, jerry rice..........
these aren't necessarily my choices....
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Post by wingtol on Aug 27, 2008 6:37:16 GMT -6
Lets see...hmmm...Jim Kelly...great...Joe Montana ..great...Dan Marino...great...Rich Gannon...pretty good.....Kerry Collins...hasn't been god since he quit the bottle, but was pretty good in his time....Matt Ryan..showing potential.....Marvin Harrison (my ex teammate) headed to the hall of fame.....I could probably go on, for hours here, but I think PA got the shaft a little here boys Being a PA guy I would say we are right where we belong with the number 5 ranking. TX is a clear 1, CA and FLA have the population base PA is lacking. OH and PA are pretty close having coached for and against the best both states have had to offer in the past. The one thing I really enjoy about PA is that there are 750 schools playing for 4 state titles, so you know if you win states that you are doing something right. It's not a watered down system so people can be happy and a ton of state champs can be crowned. Just good old fashioned you get what you earn playoffs. |
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Post by justryn2 on Aug 27, 2008 11:50:06 GMT -6
I'm in Illinois now but I grew up and played high school football in Texas. I can tell you that I cannot imagine anywhere that high school football gets more community support than in Texas; particularly the rural areas. My high school had fewer than 400 students but our football stadium was bigger than either of the 6A high schools in my Illinois home town. I was attending high school football games probably before I was old enough to walk. Every year, from as early as I can remember, my dad bought season tickets to the local high school football games for the entire family. We even made a few road games.
Judge it on whatever criteria makes sense to you but, for community support of high school football, I just don't think you can top Texas.
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Post by airraider on Aug 27, 2008 19:24:27 GMT -6
I was trying to be nice.. Louisiana could KICK ALL YOUR BUTTS!!!!|
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Post by carookie on Aug 28, 2008 22:09:09 GMT -6
All depends on how you look at it. If you took the best 40 from a given state in any given year and had them play, then any given year there are 6-7 states that could compete; it all depends on if you had a good top line group. But I don't thikn that id the best indicator.
I think what is a better tell would be how a states 50th-55th place teams would match-up (or something like that). That would eliminate every states private school powers, one year wonders, and just beast programs and look at how good are your states good teams are. If we are looking at that then its really just a three horse race: CA, TX, FL. Population and weather (yeah being able to practice all year helps), and $$$ put into it, make all the difference
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 28, 2008 22:24:40 GMT -6
All depends on how you look at it. If you took the best 40 from a given state in any given year and had them play, then any given year there are 6-7 states that could compete; it all depends on if you had a good top line group. But I don't thikn that id the best indicator. I think what is a better tell would be how a states 50th-55th place teams would match-up (or something like that). That would eliminate every states private school powers, one year wonders, and just beast programs and look at how good are your states good teams are. If we are looking at that then its really just a three horse race: CA, TX, FL. Population and weather (yeah being able to practice all year helps), and $$$ put into it, make all the difference I agree..this is probably the "best" way to look at it..but few every do, because there isn't much fanfare for those other programs. People simply say "OH, we have Permian and Southlake Carroll and Converse Judson..we are the best...NO..we have West Monroe, Evangel, and John Curtis...NO we have ...." |
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Post by coachsample on Aug 29, 2008 7:22:41 GMT -6
ATTTENTION: HOMER POST COMING!!!!!!
I'll take Georgia's top 5 teams(Lowndes, Northside-Warner Robins, Camden County, Carver-Columbus and Buford) and put them up with anybody and feel real good about our chances....
I definitely think Texas, Cali, and Florida are the top three, but Georgia has to be up there with Penn and Ohio when it comes to talent produced and quality high school football. There is a reason Rivals does a Top 100 for Georgia, but the great thing about this is there is quality football every where in this country....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2008 18:57:24 GMT -6
ATTTENTION: HOMER POST COMING!!!!!! I'll take Georgia's top 5 teams(Lowndes, Northside-Warner Robins, Camden County, Carver-Columbus and Buford) and put them up with anybody and feel real good about our chances.... I definitely think Texas, Cali, and Florida are the top three, but Georgia has to be up there with Penn and Ohio when it comes to talent produced and quality high school football. There is a reason Rivals does a Top 100 for Georgia, but the great thing about this is there is quality football every where in this country.... Honestly though coach, I don't recall ever hearing Georgia mentioned as a hotbed of foottball, Not trying to be rude, and I'm not doubting it is either, I've just never heard much about it |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2008 19:01:50 GMT -6
let's not forget that the arguement for the greatest of all time at a few positions could lead to mississippi.... again.....one could argue.........brett favre, walter payton, jerry rice.......... these aren't necessarily my choices.... No but that is a damn good point |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 30, 2008 19:56:53 GMT -6
ATTTENTION: HOMER POST COMING!!!!!! I'll take Georgia's top 5 teams(Lowndes, Northside-Warner Robins, Camden County, Carver-Columbus and Buford) and put them up with anybody and feel real good about our chances.... I definitely think Texas, Cali, and Florida are the top three, but Georgia has to be up there with Penn and Ohio when it comes to talent produced and quality high school football. There is a reason Rivals does a Top 100 for Georgia, but the great thing about this is there is quality football every where in this country.... Coach, I think almost everyone in the country could put their "top 5" programs up and feel good about it. Hence, the measurement would be..how would things go if you matched up the middle 20 programs... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2008 6:37:17 GMT -6
I was trying to be nice.. Louisiana could KICK ALL YOUR BUTTS!!!!| Coach, just be sure to get the hell out before that storm hits we'll worry about football later, |
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Post by airraider on Aug 31, 2008 7:20:33 GMT -6
I was trying to be nice.. Louisiana could KICK ALL YOUR BUTTS!!!!| Coach, just be sure to get the hell out before that storm hits we'll worry about football later, Well we should be safe up here.. the storm is said to be turning west before it reaches us.. but.. we will get a good bit of rain.. which sucks being that we play on thursday.. and.. they have closed schools down up here through weds to allow use of all busses for evac needs.. We will have to take it day by day for practice and just hope we can get the game in. |
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Post by lsrood on Sept 2, 2008 7:19:59 GMT -6
Went to the Sons of Coal Clasic in Wheeling WV yesterday and watched Cleveland OH Glenville handle the #1 ranked team in AAA in PA (and defending State Champions) Thomas Jefferson 34-13. Glenville was very impressive, disciplined, athletic, well coached and speed to burn. TJ put up a good fight but they were overmatched plus were playing a team in a larger classification. Afterwards their (TJ) coach said that they would not see anybody as talented the rest of the year in PA. I would agree.
Then in the second game Lakeland FL dismantled the PA defending champion AAAA Pittsburgh Central Catholic 35-0. I was impressed with Cleveland Glenville, and I was really impressed with Lakeland. Again a very well coached, disciplined athlectic team with unbelieveable speed.
My football experience has been entirely in Western PA, and I know we have had some great athletes and teams come out of the area, but right now I would have to put both Ohio and Florida ahead. Also California and Texas, and yes even Georgia, just because of the athletic ability and speed of the skill athletes. We will get individuals who are up there (like Terelle Pryor) but from top to bottom IMO the speed and skill levels are greater in these states.
The Lakeland team put on an impressive display defensively, regularly getting 9 and 10 black shirts to the ball. Their overall team speed on defense was something we just don't see here in Western PA. Cleveland Glenville also had great speed and that was the key to their victory over TJ. TJ could match them with size and strength, but the speed difference was just too much. Give TJ credit they battled hard the entire game, but Glenville just wore them down and could break the big plays at any time.
From a coaching standpoint it was great to see these teams from other states and gauge them against our best. We play in the same conference as TJ, and have played them every year since 1994. They are scary good, and having said that, Glenville is even scarier. And Lakeland even scarier than Glenville, though I would be willing to pay to see that matchup as well.
Other PA teams faired a little better, Pittsburgh Woodland Hills losing by 1 point in Dallas TX and McKeesport losing in overtime to Cincinnati Colerain.
Let the great debate continue.
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Post by deaux68 on Sept 2, 2008 11:38:31 GMT -6
Texas, Cali, Florida, and Ohio are no doubters.
After that it's a battle between Louisiana and Alabama with Georgia and Mississippi not far behind those two.
Great football played down here and it shows at the next level.
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Post by liberalhater on Sept 2, 2008 19:54:35 GMT -6
and here is the scary part, Lakeland is not even close to the most athletic team in the state of florida. I would love to see an all area team from ANY part of the country go down to belle glade/miami, broward county and have espn broadcast it. It wouldnt even be close.
Espn wont do it for fear of their lives....but it would be fun.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Sept 2, 2008 20:10:05 GMT -6
Being a Florida coach, I would have to agree with L.H. on this one. Florida has great athletic teams but lacks coaching because of money. Florida teachers are run by county governments and they get much lower salaries than other states. Many very good high school coaches have to get out because of low income. They have to work other jobs which conflict with coaching or they just have to get out of the school system. I have a retired teacher from Penn. who coached in New Jersey on my staff and he makes nearly 3 times the money now in retirement than most of our teachers. That is crazy, but true. Florida has low pay for teachers, and on top of that YOU DON'T GET ANY SNOW DAYS.  |
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Post by lsrood on Sept 3, 2008 6:21:10 GMT -6
Liberalhater,
If they are not even the most athletic team in the state of Florida, that is very scary. Compared to what we see here in Western PA, and in PA in general, they were head and shoulders above in overall athleticism and team speed.
As I said before it was great to see teams from other states. It made for a very entertaining and enlightening day.
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Post by liberalhater on Sept 3, 2008 7:18:07 GMT -6
I have the fox sports channels, and I have watched a lot of different state championship games. In terms of speed? I havent seen a team who can run with lakeland or Miami NW.
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Post by sbv on Sept 3, 2008 13:11:13 GMT -6
How come nobody has even mentioned Maine yet?!
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Post by airraider on Sept 3, 2008 14:22:31 GMT -6
I have the fox sports channels, and I have watched a lot of different state championship games. In terms of speed? I havent seen a team who can run with lakeland or Miami NW. I would put last year's Bastrop Louisiana team up against anyone in the nation. They are ranked around 6 this year.. but they are not as good this year as they were last year. |
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Post by midlineqb on Sept 3, 2008 15:33:05 GMT -6
Oklahoma should be fighting it out for one of the top five spots.
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Post by lukethadrifter on Sept 3, 2008 18:35:57 GMT -6
In the Kirk Herbstreit version of Texas vs. the nation at Texas Stadium, Texas was 4-1 vs. the rest of the nation last weekend. I don't know if any Texas teams went north to play in Ohio.
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Post by rcole on Sept 3, 2008 19:08:18 GMT -6
South Carolina is second to LA in the number of NFL players "Per Capita." www.dawgsports.com/story/2006/7/6/215838/4402We are always in the top 3 when considering state population. About 10 years ago we had one high school conference in our state that had a ridiculous am out of active NFL players, supposedly the most in the nation at the time. Very small state, very small population, but person for person as good as it gets on talent. Of course the states with 8 and 10 times the population have more players. Looking at the actual numbers, a high school player in SC is twice as likely to be NFL caliber talent as California. Interesting way to look at it. Erase state lines and just talk about "areas." Cali has 8 times the population of SC and only 4 times the number of NFL players. |
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