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Post by hback41 on May 1, 2012 9:59:17 GMT -6
We are a one platoon team. Probably 6-7 guys start both ways. I feel like we have struggled a bit with getting our horses a break. We want our best guys on the field but we also don't want them gassed in the 4th. How do different coaches deal with that? Who makes the decision on when to take the player out: HC, DC, OC, position coaches?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by groundchuck on May 1, 2012 10:11:29 GMT -6
Great question and it depends on depth. When and where you can spell a guy. For example in our offense we had a HB who started both ways. He was more valuable on D. We never took him off on defense. When he needed a blow we had 2-3 other kids we could sub in at HB and not lose much.
In 2010 we had a stud OL who was also our best DT. He got his blow on defense. I let my DL coach take care of that sub cycle. I took care of the offense.
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Post by fantom on May 1, 2012 10:58:51 GMT -6
Similar to what Chuck said- we decide which side of the ball we need him on more and sub him on the other side. That's decided on by the entire staff in the staff meeting. Position coaches sub accordingly during the game but the HC has veto power. At my positions I believe in subbing early because I believe that if you wait until they're tired it's too late. Normally, I'll set a rotation before the game. You do have to pay attention to developments that may change the rotation. For example, a year ago our TB/FS ran back a kickoff for a TD. About the time he crossed the 50 I told his backup that he was up. You have to plan ahead and be ready for changes.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 1, 2012 13:00:04 GMT -6
Similar to what Chuck said- we decide which side of the ball we need him on more and sub him on the other side. That's decided on by the entire staff in the staff meeting. Position coaches sub accordingly during the game but the HC has veto power. At my positions I believe in subbing early because I believe that if you wait until they're tired it's too late. Normally, I'll set a rotation before the game. You do have to pay attention to developments that may change the rotation. For example, a year ago our TB/FS ran back a kickoff for a TD. About the time he crossed the 50 I told his backup that he was up. You have to plan ahead and be ready for changes. We set up a rotation and put it on the kids usually by half...Ok JJ you are starting but Steve is going in every third series..something like that..we also work it out so the whole second team isn't in there the whole time |
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Post by mhs99 on May 1, 2012 16:42:06 GMT -6
We have had at least 7 guys go both ways the past five years. Getting blows to big boys is a huge key. Our OL/DL coach subs the two DT's a bunch and when we have a heavy DE we sub him on pass rush situations. Line guy is great with this, former two way linman in hs and OT in college, he knows the grind and his guys best.we have won a lot the past five years and conditioning has never been an issue (for the record we do not run wind sprints as conditioning).
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Post by TMGPG on May 1, 2012 18:46:05 GMT -6
I agree with what they are all saying about getting the hogs a breath is important. If you can get a guy that is about 80% as good as your starter and spell him in some that will keep him and your starter playing at a high level for the entire game. The big boys get fatigued on long drives and if you can spell every so often you can keep them playing fast and strong. We had a 3 man rotation for out two ends. My starters would play 3 out of 4 series and the backup would play 2 out of the 4 rotating back and forth and it worked out really well.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2012 19:15:02 GMT -6
We typically set our defense with the best 11 and rarely sub unless two guys at a position are really close. Then we rotate every series to get guys going 1-1/2 ways rather than both ways.
We set our sub plan on offense. If you want to rest a blocker you can always sub a below average kid in on offense and run away from him. Or of you can sub an average kid in and find a set of plays that you can run towards him.
Same thing for running backs. If you don't trust a sub to get the ball then use him as a faker or coach him up as a blocker.
Use ball control on offense if it fits your philosophy. Built in rest.
Our preference for subbing is to do it on offense first, some special teams second, defense third, and special teams like KO and punt last.
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Post by pvogel on May 1, 2012 23:47:43 GMT -6
like others said, I'd prioritize it to where you need them most.
If they start 2 ways then they are not on special teams. the lone exceptions are returners since kids tend to be able to "find enough energy" to return a kick. We also had one kid who never came off the field but he is an absolute freak who only knows "go".
We usually try to protect OL and LBs. But part of that is because thats what we have the hardest time finding. Weve been blessed to be relatively deep at db. Otherwise, I believe OL and DB are the most important position groups on the field so I'd try and protect those most.
WRs, HBs, and DL are generally pretty easy to sub in and out IMO. Theyre positions that tend to have less of a dropoff and they also benefit a lot from having fresh legs.
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